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Old 11-21-2013, 11:07 AM
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Just a friendly reminder that long gun registration starts Jan 1. A lot of you have already expressed that you don't care but I figure that one last friendly reminder can't hurt.

Just something to think about.

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Been awhile since I looked at this one but does it require registration for current existing owned rifles or just new ones purchased after 1/1/14 when they are DROS'd.
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Been awhile since I looked at this one but does it require registration for current existing owned rifles or just new ones purchased after 1/1/14 when they are DROS'd.
Just ones purchased after 1/1/14.

I'm curious what happens if you purchased it before 1/1/14 but it arrives at the FFL after the New Year. Anybody know or got a link to the specifics?
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Probably gonna add another $25 to the DROS fees also huh
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Anyone know if I'll still be able to buy my under 18 y/o kids an AK-47?

I got a couple lowers on hold, but I don't really know much about building one. The kits I find are all used and minus a barrel, which appear hard to find as well as used.

It just seems easier to buy a new, complete AK-47 for my two sons, when I can afford it, which will be after 1/1/14.
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I purchased my bucket list in cash before SB374 was vetoed as a result I'm not buying anything on my CC like I was planning on doing if it wasn't vetoed. I'm not as concerned with registering my rifles authorities already have access to what you've DROS'd. I'm more concerned now with getting magazines before 1/1/14 and buying off roster pistols that I want which will most likely be closed on 1/1/15.
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C&R cash and carry ends jan 1 with registration as well.

I'm picking up a C&R SKS this weekend for a few bucks more than I wanted specifically because of this. Been wanting an SKS for a while, so I'm not going to haggle over $50, when next year I'll have to pay an extra $35 plus make a 2nd long drive out there, let alone the DROS rectal exam...
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Speaking of off-roster, I'm surprised our legislators haven't tried to pass a "safe long-gun roster". Or maybe I just never heard of a discussion. It wouldn't surprise me though.
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Anyone know if I'll still be able to buy my under 18 y/o kids an AK-47?

I got a couple lowers on hold, but I don't really know much about building one. The kits I find are all used and minus a barrel, which appear hard to find as well as used.

It just seems easier to buy a new, complete AK-47 for my two sons, when I can afford it, which will be after 1/1/14.
Current laws state that you have to be 18 to register. So when the new mandatory registration kicks in with the current law you you will have to be 18. I bought everything I might want to give my kids this year so I can transfer to them without registration and without paperwork before end of the year.
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Speaking of off-roster, I'm surprised our legislators haven't tried to pass a "safe long-gun roster". Or maybe I just never heard of a discussion. It wouldn't surprise me though.
Stop giving them ideas.
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Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Well, it can't be too unbearable if its going to be like handgun registration. Since most of us own one of those anyway.
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Current laws state that you have to be 18 to register. So when the new mandatory registration kicks in with the current law you you will have to be 18. I bought everything I might want to give my kids this year so I can transfer to them without registration and without paperwork before end of the year.
so to just clarify your comment ... I have two sons. One over 18 and the other under 16. If I were to transfer a lower to my older boy now, he wouldn't have to register it. However, my younger boy would since he won't be 18 by the end of the year.
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You mean 1/1/14 :P
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How will this impact military personnel moving in to the state with long arms?
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I am buying like crazy...5 guns so far this month.
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Nooooooooooooooooooooo!!!!!!
Well, it can't be too unbearable if its going to be like handgun registration. Since most of us own one of those anyway.
Yes it's too late for handguns but you still have a choice about long guns.

Consider the possibilities,

- a child is diagnosed with ADHD and is prescribed mood or behaviour alter medication. Then is forever marking him/her with a "condition",
- law passes that prohibits anyone with any past history of requiring mood or behavior altering medication from owning firearms. Or prohibiting the ownership of guns under the same roof as this person. Good buy registered guns!

Not a big deal huh!
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Thanks for the link. I'm eyeballing that 3 pack but I wanted an AR-10 lower too
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think im gonna start my C&R collection after 2013......all I have registered is a few old rifles Mr.DOJ
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Its really tempting to register a bunch of 80% lowers with USMC M16 serial numbers lol
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I bought everything I might want to give my kids this year so I can transfer to them without registration and without paperwork before end of the year.
In 20/20 hindsight, because I was the dad who bought his children guns. They grow up and move on. They do not shoot or go hunting since they moved out.
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I'm curious what happens if you purchased it before 1/1/14 but it arrives at the FFL after
Ir it's dros'd on or after Jan 1 it get's registered. If dros'd on or before Dec 31 is not registered.
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In 20/20 hindsight, because I was the dad who bought his children guns. They grow up and move on. They do not shoot or go hunting since they moved out.
i hear ya, but personally i want to provide the kids with an option if they are interested in shooting sports (crap at the very least self defense....) if they arent, no sweat. but if they are who knows what things will look like as time goes on.
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It's not just the lowers that we should be concerned about. It's all long guns.

That mossberg 500 you might want, what about a hunting rifle, etc. do you think those are somehow safer than the AR's? A long gun is a long gun and if it's decided that they need to be confiscated from you they will be.

They already wrote a bill, not sure it's status, but it includes confiscation of guns as punishment if convicted of drunk driving. I think drunk drivers should get worse punishment but my point is that laws are being written that use confiscation of guns as punishment.

How does that make you feel about registering your guns?
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Just ones purchased after 1/1/14.

I'm curious what happens if you purchased it before 1/1/14 but it arrives at the FFL after the New Year. Anybody know or got a link to the specifics?
My regular FFL told me earlier that your 10 day wait must end before 1/1/14 or they will still have to be registered, but they weren't 100% sure as there has been a lot of lag and some ambiguity on the part of the authorities responsible for handling this. They did recommend counting on having to register, get the new safety cards, pay extra fees, etc. though.

As for the new safety cards, tests, etc., my FFL has not heard a single word about this yet. They have not seen, received, etc. these yet nor do they know who will administer the tests, etc.

My question - how bad is shipping usually backed up in December? Let's assume the items are coming from states that do not get much if any snow at all in the winter and will not be delayed for weeks by large storms, etc.
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It's not just the lowers that we should be concerned about. It's all long guns.

That mossberg 500 you might want, what about a hunting rifle, etc. do you think those are somehow safer than the AR's? A long gun is a long gun and if it's decided that they need to be confiscated from you they will be.

They already wrote a bill, not sure it's status, but it includes confiscation of guns as punishment if convicted of drunk driving. I think drunk drivers should get worse punishment but my point is that laws are being written that use confiscation of guns as punishment.

How does that make you feel about registering your guns?
I understand that. Aside from another AR15 and AR10 that I want to build the only thing I have left on my "list" is an AK. Not going to list everything here but I've checked most of the boxes that fall outside C&R for the long gun category. I'm less concerned if they know I own a Mosin than "evil rifles". Besides, I won't be living in this state much longer than a couple years anyway.
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Current laws state that you have to be 18 to register. So when the new mandatory registration kicks in with the current law you you will have to be 18. I bought everything I might want to give my kids this year so I can transfer to them without registration and without paperwork before end of the year.
Today I was at my lawyer, and I asked about this.

The suggestion was to transfer the gun to an adult trustee, for benefit of the child, and with a clause allowing the trustee to decide whether to formally transfer the gun at 18 (or whatever 18 or older age is specified). That last is to account for a kid who has become an addict, belongs to a gang, or is otherwise not suited to own that gun in the opinion of that trusted adult. Probably needs instructions in case the child passes or becomes legally ineligible, too.
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Anyone know if I'll still be able to buy my under 18 y/o kids an AK-47?

I got a couple lowers on hold, but I don't really know much about building one. The kits I find are all used and minus a barrel, which appear hard to find as well as used.

It just seems easier to buy a new, complete AK-47 for my two sons, when I can afford it, which will be after 1/1/14.
Buying two AK's now for you kids would be unnecessarily expensive. I would stick with your plan to buy two stripped AR lowers. Your kids will learn how to build them and complete parts will be available when they are ready to build them. ***I'm 100% sure that your sons would enjoy building their guns!
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Just wondering ...

With the effective date coming, how come there is no lawsuit pending on this?
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Yea, registration sucks, but as a responsible adult I can't go and spend the money that I do not have especially now that I have a mortgage. I got a XCR, AR and AK go to along with 7 stripped lowers. I think I'll live.
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Like Billary said.... "What difference does it make"?

If you are somehow worried about being on a list maybe NOT voting for Demotardz that create such stupid laws to begin with was a BETTER IDEA???

If you have ever bought ammo, a gun mag, a gun, reloading stuff with a CC or debit-- You are on a list!

If you have ever mail ordered any gun related product online usps, fedex, ups takes a picture of every mailed item and keeps a list-you are on a list!

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I would guarantee you with 100% certainty that someone somewhere has that list created and waiting for the right time to use it. It does exist!

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maybe off topic, and maybe already answered somewhere else, but how does that affect the status of 80%'s? if I do an 80% lower next year, do I need to do anything?
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Its really tempting to register a bunch of 80% lowers with USMC M16 serial numbers lol
If you're going to register them... that kind of defeats the big fun of doing 80% builds.
Do you 80%'s before Jan 1. You can build/engrave/paint/whatever them later, but they have to become firearms before Jan 1, or you have to register them.... which means engraving.... and proper marking... blah blah blah. Lots of people like to just do laser etching, which won't cut it (no pun intended) for registering. (doesn't meet ATF marking requirements).

Also, exercise caution with regards to marking them the same as any lower that is specifically banned by name. The DOJ doesn't care if it's a real Colt M4 or not, but if it is marked as such, you'll still get slammed. The flowchart is your friend.

UPDATED POST: After checking with my attorney, the answer to the question about having to self-register 80%'s made after January 1st was "I don't know"... which means I was in error when I made the striked out statement above. I was thinking about something else and was wrong. Please disregard needing to self-register after January 1 on 80% home builds.
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There is a significant difference. DOJ will have at their fingertips every gun you ever registered.

Sure they can collect dros records from all the FFL's in this state and collect our cc purchase history but that takes time and resources which they don't have at the state level. If the federal government wants to track you then your f'd because they can, Just don't give them a reason.

You don't need to do anything. I posted this reminder for the forward thinking people who might prefer buy their long guns before registration. I frankly don't care about the AR and AK crowd because I believe they don't need the reminder.

It's all long guns including bolt action rifles, break or pump action shotguns, 22's, etc.

In the long term I strongly believe is wiser to own these firearms unregistered vs registered.

Make your own choices but you will remember this time. In 39 days you won't have a choice if you live in California.
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