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Old 02-12-2014, 8:42 PM
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We charge it up front. The reason for this is because if we don't charge the card up front, we face the problem of the card not going through once a customer's order is ready to ship. It's not too uncommon for a card to be maxed out or get declined for whatever reason. If we hadn't charged the card up front, we'd have no way of knowing if the card would work until we tried to ship the order. If the card didn't work, it takes a lot of time for our shipping department to let our customer service department know, have someone call the customer to get a new card, wait for them to call us back with a working credit card number, etc. It's just an enormous hassle, and we are super busy as it is. We wish there was a better way of doing it, but we've found this is just what works best. In a perfect world, everyone would give us a card number that worked, credit card companies wouldn't decline cards for no reason, and we would scrap this policy. Hopefully you can see our perspective on why we do this
just one question, why take "pre-orders" at all ? it always worries me when a company does this as things can happen on your end just as easy as the consumer end and taking "pre-orders" make me think you are needing capital to fulfill past orders....

on that note i do like your stuff and do plan on buying once in stock and ready to ship, if i dont go with other first ....
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Old 02-12-2014, 9:08 PM
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I wasn't going to bring this up but since someone else did I'll mention a couple things. I was a little annoyed when I saw my credit card had been charged weeks before the anticipated shipping date. I spent a little time researching 80% Arms and found that they have an excellent reputation for customer service so I didn't worry about it any more. Even so, I'll just point out that unexpected problems such as those mentioned above work both ways. For example, 80% Arms (or any company that collects payment prior to shipping) can experience supply or production problems, labor issues, regulatory enforcement surprises (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/2...ore-sense-now/), etc. I'm waiting to order more products until I receive my first order for this reason. I understand 80% Arms position completely and I'm not complaining.

My learning experience was losing several hundred dollars in pre-paid dog boarding when Camp Bow-Wow went out of business.
I'm with you. Been burned in the past and I've decided to wait until there is stock in inventory that can fill orders immediately. Rather have the $300 in my pocket until shipments are available.
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:12 PM
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just one question, why take "pre-orders" at all ? it always worries me when a company does this as things can happen on your end just as easy as the consumer end and taking "pre-orders" make me think you are needing capital to fulfill past orders....

on that note i do like your stuff and do plan on buying once in stock and ready to ship, if i dont go with other first ....
We're not taking pre-orders for anything right now, all of our products are in production. Some items are just backordered because we are getting new orders faster than we can fill them. We did take pre-orders on .308 lowers, and due to unforeseen issues those shipped later than we had estimated. We learned from that experience and probably won't be taking pre-orders again in the future unless the product is ready to ship out the door.
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Old 02-12-2014, 11:22 PM
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I wasn't going to bring this up but since someone else did I'll mention a couple things. I was a little annoyed when I saw my credit card had been charged weeks before the anticipated shipping date. I spent a little time researching 80% Arms and found that they have an excellent reputation for customer service so I didn't worry about it any more. Even so, I'll just point out that unexpected problems such as those mentioned above work both ways. For example, 80% Arms (or any company that collects payment prior to shipping) can experience supply or production problems, labor issues, regulatory enforcement surprises (http://hotair.com/archives/2013/05/2...ore-sense-now/), etc. I'm waiting to order more products until I receive my first order for this reason. I understand 80% Arms position completely and I'm not complaining.

My learning experience was losing several hundred dollars in pre-paid dog boarding when Camp Bow-Wow went out of business.
Understand your position To help with this we do allow customers to cancel their order at any time for any reason. So if it's taking too long to get an order, or if things change, there's always the option to cancel the order for an immediate refund.

In general though, we much prefer to have everything in stock so none of this comes into play. We do everything we can to keep the backorder to a minimum.
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Old 02-15-2014, 8:31 PM
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Just so I can understand what I would be getting myself into...

1 X 6061-T6 Anodized Billet 80% Lower : $109.99
1 X AR-15 Easy Jig : $149.99
1 X Router Rental : $25

Total for a stripped lower: $284 + tax + shipping

Maybe I'm missing something: other than not having to DROS the lower, why would I pay almost $300 for a stripped lower? A stripped lower that I could potentially screw up and end up throwing $109.99 into the garbage...

"I want to believe" - just can't understand the reasons...
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Old 02-15-2014, 8:37 PM
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Just so I can understand what I would be getting myself into...

1 X 6061-T6 Anodized Billet 80% Lower : $109.99
1 X AR-15 Easy Jig : $149.99
1 X Router Rental : $25

Total for a stripped lower: $284 + tax + shipping

Maybe I'm missing something: other than not having to DROS the lower, why would I pay almost $300 for a stripped lower? A stripped lower that I could potentially screw up and end up throwing $109.99 into the garbage...

"I want to believe" - just can't understand the reasons...
Two reasons:
1) no DROS
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2) you plan to build more than one
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Old 02-16-2014, 6:23 AM
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Just a little side note Im sure most of you know. 80% will replace any lower that you might " screw up " for 50% of the original cost. But there is that nasty little problem of the dreaded back order tho. LOL
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Old 02-16-2014, 6:42 AM
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Just so I can understand what I would be getting myself into...

1 X 6061-T6 Anodized Billet 80% Lower : $109.99
1 X AR-15 Easy Jig : $149.99
1 X Router Rental : $25

Total for a stripped lower: $284 + tax + shipping

Maybe I'm missing something: other than not having to DROS the lower, why would I pay almost $300 for a stripped lower? A stripped lower that I could potentially screw up and end up throwing $109.99 into the garbage...

"I want to believe" - just can't understand the reasons...
No one goes the "80%" route because it's cheaper.
If you don't have a desire to build your own personal firearm with your own hands, learning about the firearm and how it works along the way, this is not for you.
Also, it's about legally having a firearm that is not in a government database.
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Old 02-16-2014, 8:22 AM
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As a junior member am I unable to create albums or post pictures ? FAQ says to go to control panel and click on albums but Ill be damned if I can find it.
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Old 02-16-2014, 9:28 AM
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There is a lot of reason why we go this route.

1. No Dros
2. You're planning to build more then 1
3. Satisfaction of building your own rifle from a 80% for the true gun enthusiast.
4. Legally building and owning a pistol lower that can cost less then purchasing from a FFL.
5. You can always resale the Jig and router.

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Old 02-16-2014, 10:42 AM
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There is a lot of reason why we go this route.

1. No Dros
2. You're planning to build more then 1
3. Satisfaction of building your own rifle from a 80% for the true gun enthusiast.
4. Legally building and owning a pistol lower that can cost less then purchasing from a FFL.
5. You can always resale the Jig and router.
Ahh, now number 4 & 5 puts things into a little better perspective...
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80% Arms, is there a reason you didn't make the jig universal? I realize you want to sell your lower too, but there's a huge untapped market out there for your jig if was universal. Especially since most 80% machine shops have been shut down. There's lots of people out there looking for options to finish their TM's, billets, and to fix their out-of-spec EPLowers. Is there a universal version of the jig in the works?
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K1dude..... 80% DOES offer a universal jig. It requires using a drill press tho. It works very well if your patient, Ive finished quite a few lowers using the universal jig. I would think that making the Easy Jig that uses the router universal it would be a huge task. Should they go to every manufactuer buy one of thier jig and model thier jig to fit ? Kudos to 80% for even putting the time and research into making a jig, Not all companys that sell lowers offer a jig to finish it. If you have to buy an 80% Arms lower to be sure it works so be it. IMO they are reasonably priced.
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Old 02-18-2014, 2:31 PM
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K1dude..... 80% DOES offer a universal jig. It requires using a drill press tho. It works very well if your patient, Ive finished quite a few lowers using the universal jig. I would think that making the Easy Jig that uses the router universal it would be a huge task. Should they go to every manufactuer buy one of thier jig and model thier jig to fit ? Kudos to 80% for even putting the time and research into making a jig, Not all companys that sell lowers offer a jig to finish it. If you have to buy an 80% Arms lower to be sure it works so be it. IMO they are reasonably priced.
I know they make a universal jig. But this thread is about the easy jig. I'm asking why they didn't make the easy jig universal. Why is it a huge task? They already did it with their universal jig side plates. Sure, nothing is absolutely universal, but they can probably hit 75% of the stuff out there.
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Old 02-19-2014, 11:17 AM
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I know they make a universal jig. But this thread is about the easy jig. I'm asking why they didn't make the easy jig universal. Why is it a huge task? They already did it with their universal jig side plates. Sure, nothing is absolutely universal, but they can probably hit 75% of the stuff out there.
I don't remember if it was this thread or another, but 80% arms said they would work on a universal easy-jig in the future. They said there were too many different lowers out there to make a "universal" due to the different width, features...etc of the various mfg.

I've modified the easy jig to fit my Ares billet lower. Haven't milled it out yet, but it fits in the easy jig now and should work fine. Looks like it will also fit my TM forged lower after the modification. That is always an option if you feel comfortable with it.
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I don't remember if it was this thread or another, but 80% arms said they would work on a universal easy-jig in the future. They said there were too many different lowers out there to make a "universal" due to the different width, features...etc of the various mfg.

I've modified the easy jig to fit my Ares billet lower. Haven't milled it out yet, but it fits in the easy jig now and should work fine. Looks like it will also fit my TM forged lower after the modification. That is always an option if you feel comfortable with it.
Could you describe what you did to make the TM lower work? Would be great if we could use these for other companies lowers also. Pics too maybe if you are feeling generous.
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Old 02-19-2014, 1:41 PM
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I don't remember if it was this thread or another, but 80% arms said they would work on a universal easy-jig in the future. They said there were too many different lowers out there to make a "universal" due to the different width, features...etc of the various mfg.

I've modified the easy jig to fit my Ares billet lower. Haven't milled it out yet, but it fits in the easy jig now and should work fine. Looks like it will also fit my TM forged lower after the modification. That is always an option if you feel comfortable with it.
Can you show pictures of what you did to make it fit a TM lower? I would love to mil out TM 80% with the EZ JIG.
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Old 02-19-2014, 2:47 PM
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OK, Update for today,
I was told by Carol that we should expect the .308 lowers n 2-3 weeks.
And thats cool by me as long as I know so I can keep the War department off my back.
So good News I guess..
Good deal! I got an update today via email (request sent last night) too, which is why I asked.
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Could you describe what you did to make the TM lower work? Would be great if we could use these for other companies lowers also. Pics too maybe if you are feeling generous.
I am out of town right now so I can't take a picture until this weekend. On the lower, there is a raised area around the mag release button that was preventing the right jig plate from sitting flush due to the design of the jig plate. I milled out some material on the jig so that it would sit flush with the receiver.

If you hold the jig plate up against the lower, you can probably figure out the area that needs to be removed on the jig plate. You may not need to modify your jig in the exact same way as I did.

I haven't used the jig yet, but I am now able to assemble the jig and the lower together so I have no reason to believe that it wouldn't work with this modification.
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just viewed the easy jig video on youtube...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=SiHdV5slQps

thanks for getting that up and running....
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Just curious are the jigs still on a 4 week wait or has it become longer with the soaring popularity?
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I order my jig Jan.30th and it may be shipping today or monday. The site still says 4 week BO, but if your ordering a .308 its 12 weeks !!! Glad Im not waiting on a .308 Lowers are still 8 weeks which sucks if you get your easy jig then have to wait ANOTHER month to be able to use it.
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I order my jig Jan.30th and it may be shipping today or monday. The site still says 4 week BO, but if your ordering a .308 its 12 weeks !!! Glad Im not waiting on a .308 Lowers are still 8 weeks which sucks if you get your easy jig then have to wait ANOTHER month to be able to use it.
Thanks might put my order in today for the AR-15 jig and start my wait.
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Jes, Is the lower in the picture 80% Arms bead blasted model ? That is pretty much the exact finish Im looking for.
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Jes, Is the lower in the picture 80% Arms bead blasted model ? That is pretty much the exact finish Im looking for.

Yes it is.
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Well I finally got my Easy Jig. Love it although I did screw up a lower totally my fault. Has anyone found any other lowers that fit the easy jig without having to alter the jig? I did see where someone said a QD would fit but Im curious if anyone has found any other lowers that will work. Having the jig and waiting 8 weeks for a lower is just crazy. Any help would be appreciated.
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You can try these, Might work for you.
https://www.coatscarbinecompany.com/...receivers.html
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It was told to me that the cnc80 or the JL billet jig will fit the 80% arms lower for the ar15. I am wondering if it will work the other way and it will fit into the easy jig. I am wanting to buy a used jig from someone or a new one they dont want to test it out!
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Mitch, Do you know of anyone that have tried the Coats lowers ? If so did any modifications need to be made ? Just dont want to be stuck with a paperweight I cant do anything with. I appreciate any suggestions.
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I'm mot sure, but I think Tactical Machining Jigs will work. Might ask some others to confirm.
I have a Coats lower, but I don't have a 80% jig to test it in...
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Mitch I thought you HAD the 80% Arms easy jig , No ?
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I believe I read your waiting on the .308 I think you will be impressed by the jig, very solid and well made. I ordered the ar15 jig and as stated I got it in the 4 weeks. I find it ridiculous to have to wait 8 weeks for lowers though, but it is what it is. I ordered a QD lower just to see how it works out. I hope after the jigs all get out there guys will post what other brand lowers will fit in the jig.
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Mitch, Thanks for the tip I ordered a lower from where you suggested and one from QD. Ill let you know which fits best. Thanks again.
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Mitch, Thanks for the tip I ordered a lower from where you suggested and one from QD. Ill let you know which fits best. Thanks again.
In very interested in this. Please let all of us know!

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Old 03-04-2014, 8:01 PM
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Are you sure the QD lowers aren't 6061? That is what they have been making them out of for years.

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Old 03-04-2014, 11:25 PM
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Just checking in again, we are here for you if anyone needs an order update or if you need help with an Easy Jig. Feel free to call or email, we reply to all of them promptly.

Apologize of the long lead times on lowers, we are doing everything possible to reduce that. It should get a little better as we've been able to up our weekly production a bit. Hoping to be able to knock a few weeks off the backorder soon.

As far as a universal Easy Jig, it's in the works. Given the current backorder on the Easy Jig though, our immediate concern is just getting our backorder times down.
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You could very well be correct. I have no other reference than my (admittedly lax) memory from some vague post on Aimsmall GBuys.

If true then 7075 would be a real pain from my experience.

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Agreed, 7075 is pain to machine on any jig. We make lowers from both alloys and highly recommend our less expensive 6061 lowers. Added practical benefits of 7075 are virtually nil.
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