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Old 02-04-2008, 1:13 PM
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Default Ruger finally giving up?

I can't remember seeing anything about this here and a quick search didnt reveal anything either...

http://ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView...=5835&return=Y

"** Chambered in the popular and proven .223 Rem. cartridge and shipped with two 20-Round magazines."

So looks like Ruger now ships minis with 20 round mags...

Also in the latest quarterly report (http://www.ruger.com/corporate/PDF/2...lderLetter.pdf)
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Ruger has not participated in some of the fastest growing segments of the consumer firearms market. These segments, which include AR-15 style rifles, compact carry pistols and revolvers, and striker-fired, auto-loading pistols, have recently been the engines of growth in the consumer firearms market. Several of our top distributors have experienced growth rates in one or more of these categories in excess of 40% for the first nine months of the year. We plan to develop products for several of these markets.

Maybe they're finally coming to their senses....
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Old 02-04-2008, 1:24 PM
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Since the Ruger family no longer controls the company, there will probably be some major shifts in the company.
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Old 02-04-2008, 2:04 PM
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I can't remember seeing anything about this here and a quick search didnt reveal anything either...

http://ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView...=5835&return=Y

"** Chambered in the popular and proven .223 Rem. cartridge and shipped with two 20-Round magazines."

So looks like Ruger now ships minis with 20 round mags...

Also in the latest quarterly report (http://www.ruger.com/corporate/PDF/2...lderLetter.pdf)
they say:
Ruger has not participated in some of the fastest growing segments of the consumer firearms market. These segments, which include AR-15 style rifles, compact carry pistols and revolvers, and striker-fired, auto-loading pistols, have recently been the engines of growth in the consumer firearms market. Several of our top distributors have experienced growth rates in one or more of these categories in excess of 40% for the first nine months of the year. We plan to develop products for several of these markets.

Maybe they're finally coming to their senses....
Ruger's always made a quality product that's 5 years behind the marketplace. They are durable, though, just not very exciting compared to what else is out there. The NRA-14 is a good example...add a black stock and some medallions, raise the price, and then wonder why nobody's bowled over.

20-rounders have always been available, though they're a lot easier to find within about the last 18 months. Someday Ruger may figure out the mini's main competition is KelTec.

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Old 02-04-2008, 2:15 PM
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I kind of thought the 5-round magazines were the only good thing about the mini. They let you carry the rifle one-handed, comfortably.

Putting 20 rounds in a mini-14 is like putting lipstick on a chicken. When they really come to their senses, they'll start making AR's.
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Old 02-04-2008, 2:21 PM
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Putting 20 rounds in a mini-14 is like putting lipstick on a chicken. When they really come to their senses, they'll start making AR's.
What's gonna' get customers to select a Ruger AR v. another brand??

It won't be engineering, that was taken care of in the 1950's. Do you think they can out-tactical Larue et al.??

Fact remains Ruger is not on the leading edge of innovation, to say the least.

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I can't remember seeing anything about this here and a quick search didnt reveal anything either...

http://ruger.com/Firearms/FAProdView...=5835&return=Y
If it's decently accurate - not a tackdriver mind you, but good - I'd be willing to pick one up for 700-800. Mini14 ergos suit me pretty well.

Hey, if Ruger decided to sink some more money back into the XGI and make a decent .308 semi, I might be willing to get one of those as well.

http://www.rugerauction.com/Auction6.html

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The minis are garbage. period.
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Since the Ruger family no longer controls the company, there will probably be some major shifts in the company.
I hope you are right, and that the "shift" is towards bankruptcy.
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The minis are garbage. period.
my mini will still be shooting when my ar is dead on the sidelines albeit not being able to hit the side of my house.....
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The minis are garbage. period.
I agree. My mini 30 is the only gun I've ever sold because I didn't like it. It jammed a lot and was wildly inaccurate.
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my mini will still be shooting when my ar is dead on the sidelines albeit not being able to hit the side of my house.....
I'll be 50 feet away catching the brass.

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The minis are garbage. period.
Share your experience.

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my mini will still be shooting when my ar is dead on the sidelines albeit not being able to hit the side of my house.....
my mini-14 can consistanly hit a a little disposable propane tank at 50 yards

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i love my mini and get 2-3" groupings at 100yards... thats good enough for me
i also like the fact of being able to use my preban "detachable mags" at the range without a problem
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Actually with the shorter barrel (16.125) this thing will likely be more accurate than the 18.5 inch ones.
It's long been known that chopping the barrel back a couple of inches helps to negate the barrel whip Minis have.

It looks pretty cool to me.
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I vote for Ruger to start building AK clones. 100% US parts. From what I hear, the Mini isn't any more accurate than an AKM, and it looks like it's harder to tear down.
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What's gonna' get customers to select a Ruger AR v. another brand??
Exactly. Making an AR now is silly, I think. It's a commodity at this point.
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The only mini I would buy would be Mr.T's mini on the A team. Better than Hitlers death gun.
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I vote for Ruger to start building AK clones. 100% US parts. From what I hear, the Mini isn't any more accurate than an AKM, and it looks like it's harder to tear down.
Nevermind Glocks, post apocalyptic mutant cockroaches are going to be armed with Ruger AKs
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The only mini I would buy would be Mr.T's mini on the A team. Better than Hitlers death gun.
Are you kidding!?!?! That show just reinforces the stereotype of Minis being inaccurate. The A-Team would expend 100s of rounds during a show and they never hit anyone. At best they would occasionally shoot out a tire, which would then cause the car to go airborne, spin, and come crashing down on its roof.

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Exactly. Making an AR now is silly, I think. It's a commodity at this point.
i'd love a lower made out of p97 polymer that stuff is amazing

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Ruger ought to start a whole new lineup of weaponry called the Firefly series.
Start with a Vera.

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The minis are garbage. period.
How about you boost your post count by explaining this position... otherwise it sounds like junior high trolling. I have a mini14, and an AR, and a remington 700, and a few other rifles that I like for various reasons. In my experience, the mini is hardly "garbage".

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What's gonna' get customers to select a Ruger AR v. another brand??
Their manufacturing capabilities exceed almost all the other AR makers, allowing them to reduce the cost per unit to a point where they can undersell the market.
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From what I hear, the Mini isn't any more accurate than an AKM, and it looks like it's harder to tear down.
You're joking right?

The mini is the easiest of any of my guns to take down. I don't even need a screwdriver.
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I'll be 50 feet away catching the brass.
In my experience, most Mini 14's throw the brass about 25ft before you tune them to behave better.
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