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10-24-2013, 6:25 PM
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It's too much work. I give up.
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10-24-2013, 6:43 PM
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LOL, I hear you!
reading this thread was difficult.....but I must say that the S&W M&P 15 has potential for the lazy such as myself.
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10-25-2013, 8:36 AM
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10-25-2013, 10:01 AM
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M&P 15 sport is the route I went as well. I wanted to pick up an AR before we have to register at the end of the year in CA, didn't know much about them, wanted a solid warranty and a gun that would go bang without me having to fck about with it. Happy with the choice. I may someday build another, but not for a good long while.
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10-25-2013, 11:24 AM
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10-25-2013, 12:18 PM
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Here are excerpts from an article in American Rifleman in March 2012: Quote:
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10-25-2013, 4:53 PM
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I feel your pain glock girl. I have been looking at AR's for a short time, but reading up as much as I could on them I decided on the Sig Sauer M400 enhanced and I get to pick it up next week.
Go to a store and get your hands on them. Find the one that feels the best and go from there.
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10-25-2013, 6:31 PM
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These things AINT like a MAC computer ya know, spend $2k and if it breaks then it costs you $1200 to fix and you have to take it to a store where they have an idiot's bar and self proclaimed "geniuses" walking around to tell you what you already know. It is a simple process. What you need is for someone to push you off the edge so you just get one already. I always say buy a lower and parts kit and then shop for the upper and the stock setup and enjoy what you build. That is VERY simple. ANYONE can follow the OLL build docs here at CG. It is very simple to do. OR, just go and see what they have at your local store and pick one out. They are copied a million times over much like the AKs and they are almost foolproof until you start REALLY doing things to them like cutting on them and what not. But all in all, I would say that MOST of the lowers are very similar, the ONLY difference is the upper receiver and that all is decided on what you want to do with it. Plinker? Go light, Varmint Hunter? Go heavy... nuff said. I hope you revisit your choices again and go for it.
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#49
10-26-2013, 4:22 PM
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Was in the same boat. I ended up finding a base rifle, palmetto state armory form one of the guys here on cal guns. They are available for a decent price under 1000.00 I even got a red dot with it. Off brand but works for now.
Had my instructor look at it and there are only a few minor changes needed for me to run 3 gun. Trigger, ambi safety since I have to shoot long guns left. Change out the buffer weights and spring and then I am GTG until I start competing then will upgrade as needed. I put on the LANAC dragon break, only because I wanted one. No other reason. If I was not gearing up for 3 gun, the rifle would have been perfect for a weekend shooter.
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10-26-2013, 7:12 PM
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Here is some info http://www.womensoutdoornews.com/201...tting-started/ Last edited by HighLander51; 10-27-2013 at 6:14 AM..
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10-31-2013, 2:26 PM
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There was a day they were a VERY good 2nd choice after Colt. But their quality slipped bad and this was before they were sold.
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10-31-2013, 2:34 PM
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1. forget about the piston ARs, in most cases very over rated. 2. how much money do you have to spend? based on #2 look for rifles in this order... California legal colt 6920 variant Bravo company Noveske or Daniel Defense Smith and Wesson you honestly shouldn't have to spend more than 1000 to 1500 for the basic rifle "m4" type rifle. Keep it simple. start out with just the rifle, put a nice red dot scope on it, shoot a lot and see what you think. then worry (or not) about modifying it. Last edited by 1859sharps; 10-31-2013 at 2:42 PM..
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10-31-2013, 3:20 PM
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Have been in similar discussion on another, tractor related site. Guy wanted to know what rifle/caliber to get his girlfriend.
I have been shooting for 43 years. Shot lots of rifle/pistol/shotgun. Had a couple I sold; looked good, but didn't fit me and I could not hit side of barn with it. to the OP, go to you local gun shops and shoulder some weapons. Do not limit yourself to AR's; at least try some of the others. See what feels comfortable to you. If it is not comfortable, it will not be enjoyable to shoot. Check out your local ranges. Some rent rifles. Try them. Ask the people out on the line. Most will take a moment to explain what they have. Many will let you fire a round or two. I have tried a number of various rifles/pistols after discussing them with the owners. I have let people shoot a round or two from mine too. Look for local instructors. Some do women's classes/range days, and will have a variety of weapons to try. Two of my wife's favorites were shooting a Desert Eagle, and she really likes shooting Hawken 50 cal black powder! She has her own, and is a crack-shot with it.
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10-31-2013, 4:54 PM
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RNE, welcome!
the OP is not a first time gun buyer and already knows her way around guns......she just wants a rifle that doesn't look like Dad's and was looking for info on AR's. probably leaves that Hawken out?! LOL! very glad to read that you agree with what we tell people when they think they can buy a gun for someone else!
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10-31-2013, 11:15 PM
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Ask yourself: how many companies in your list hold military contacts for complete rifles?
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11-01-2013, 8:02 AM
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11-01-2013, 8:17 AM
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Target , home defense, and fun? AR pistol with 7.5 barrel
They are fun, can shoot cheap ammo thru them, great house gun because of size and caliber, DI system works just fine as long as you have quality parts. But I will say building your own AK is an awesome, and gratifyin experience. And is also a great rifle to have.
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11-01-2013, 11:34 AM
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OP if you are buying a basic AR, I don't think it really matters what you get so long as the upper/lower are mil-spec, you should be able to accessorize as you like.
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11-01-2013, 11:40 AM
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The inquiry deserves a short answer:
For a relatively inexpensive, quality, first AR for you, lifetime warranty, American, etc.: S&W M&P 15 (free state) or S&W M&P 15 Sport (CA). 'Nice for the price' and you can't go wrong by getting one. Unlike others, I do not recommend going to a 'build' or 'build party'. Would that really interest you? Just get a fully assembled AR-15 and have fun! Last edited by ifilef; 11-01-2013 at 11:44 AM..
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11-02-2013, 10:09 AM
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I don't see myself at a build party. I kind of hope to keep it simple, which makes that Smith & Wesson appealing... This has been a great thread for mode still, though. I hope others are benefitting from it as well! If anyone else gets an AR after this, please update the thread!
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11-02-2013, 5:27 PM
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11-02-2013, 5:36 PM
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The M&P is certainly simple. But so are many other off-the-shelf complete AR15 rifles. Since you live in a free state, you don't have to worry about the looming long-gun registration on 01/01/2014, so you have time to look, read, touch, try, and choose. On the other hand, you never know when another "Sandy Hook type event" may occur.
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11-02-2013, 7:07 PM
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It is my understanding that DPMS has always overplayed their involvement in supplying the military with parts. I am not aware of any complete rifle contracts ever.
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11-02-2013, 7:48 PM
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as for actually delivering on a US military contract. Bushmaster proves that just because you can build to this minimum level of quality, doesn't mean you will for your commercial sales. It is also entirely possible to built better than what the US Military will demand. A few AR companies in theory do this. but most can't even meet what they US military would accept as minimum. With the exception of barrel length and fire control parts, it is my understanding the civilian legal 6920 is built with the same process and parts that goes into the actual M4s going to the US military. Given that, and given even with the extra slight cost of making it into a California legal rifle, the full Colt MSRP for a 6920 is only a few dollars more than comparable BM....why would you buy a BM? particularly since their quality has slipped a whole lot these last 10 or so years. They don't even build to the equal of their pre 2000 level. I know, I have pre 2000 and post 2000 samples of what they can build. here are some MSRP prices comparison based using the 6920 or very close to it copy. Colt 6920 starts at $1155 (California legal $1185) Bravo Company $1140.00 (California legal $1172) (note, Bravo doesn't list MSRP, this is based on Grant's pricing) LMT $1,371.21 BM $1140.00 (no known CA legal option) S&W $839 (I didn't check to see if they had a factor CA legal option) both DPMS and Stage were under $1000 for their "m4" offering. Personally, I would still skip them. based on the reputation of S&W as a company, if prices is an issue, I would take a chance of their rifles. quality costs, but simply being the most expensive doesn't ensure quality. Being the cheapest doesn't automatically mean lack of quality, but certainly raises some questions and red flags. My two cents is buy the best you can afford, and if it actually means saving a little longer to get what you want and know to be quality...do that. Don't buy on impulse or out of lack of patience settle. people who say they can't afford a Colt or a Bravo or LMT for example, what they are really saying is I am not patient enough to finish saving for what I know to be a better quality rifle, I want one now, so I settled. which honestly for these people it is probably ok. This type also seems to think 200 rounds in a range trip is a lot of "heavy" use. and if this is heavy use for them...then just about any AR manufacture will meet their needs. But if 200 is just getting started for the day for you and you do this regularly...you WILL start to notices the differences in quality of the different AR manufactures. Again, my two cents, buy the best you can. And doing so doesn't have to break the bank as you can see. Last edited by 1859sharps; 11-02-2013 at 7:53 PM..
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11-03-2013, 7:28 AM
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11-03-2013, 8:09 AM
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No matter what AR you get, you will still need a good optic (~ $1,000) and a good aftermarket trigger (~ $250 plus). That's why fully built customs are a better value. Your other option is to buy a complete lower, then shop around for whatever upper you like.
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For optics I can see what you mean by around $1k or so but I found at Turner's they have a magnifier for around $130 and a metal framed optic on sale for around $50 but the entire setup (both seperate pieces) will run about $190 or less on sale or find them on the web. I held them, I looked through them, they are name brand and SEEM to be pretty decent red dot/3 other options + magnifier that you can push to the side. If you have not looked at them you should stop in and see what I am talking about. They DO seem VERY nice. Nice enough for me to want to put them on my Tavor when I get it. I forgot the name though. OH yeah! It was a SightMark Ultra Shot and a SightMark Magnifier (I forgot if it was 3/5/7x though) http://www.opticsplanet.com/sightmar...dot-sight.html http://www.opticsplanet.com/sightmar...magnifier.html I am not an expert, but these looked good in real life. Nothing flimsy about them.
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11-03-2013, 12:08 PM
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Stilly, your posts never fail to amuse! Your exuberance and zest for all things rifles comes straight through! I hope you get your tavor!
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11-03-2013, 2:23 PM
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Not talking about irons, but I am positive about cheap red dots and scopes as I have seen them fail many times in the middle of a 3 gun match. I wouldn't go with anything less than an Aimpoint or EOtech, starting around $400. And keep in mind target distance, a 4 MOA dot is going to cover an 8" plate at 200 yards. Dots have to survive the same amount of recoil as the scope. Now some of these cheaper dots are actually ok for 22 rimfire. Last edited by HighLander51; 11-03-2013 at 2:26 PM..
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If your planning on a legal gun a jerry-rigged CA compliant AR is about worthless in an actual gunfight. Sure you could convert it when the chinese hit the beach but did you train with it in that configuration?
Get a pump shotgun and train train train.
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One cheap red dot that I will NEVER own is a Barska. Anything that is made of plastic or Barska (Barfa?) is no longer a decent red dot for me. There are others on my list but Barska really stands out. Not even for a .22. I would put a UTG on my .22 before a Barska. Aimpoint is decent too. I almost had a job with Aim Sports, and they are going to be upgrading a few lines to make some good stuff soon but anyways. It would be nice to have a list that one can reference to tell you + or - for a red dot or brand. Certainly just because they are made in USA does NOT mean they are superior. :\ Quote:
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Yes, there are CHEAP red dots and there are LESS EXPENSIVE red dots that do the job decently.
Only know what I see in 3 gun matches. Cheap dots fail, Aimpoints and EOtechs run. I dunno if SightMark is battle rated (because I have not looked yet) What does that mean?
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update: the only complaint i have about this rifle is that it gets DIRTY (but i hear pistol caliber ARs have this tendency). I am loving this purchase and everyone i let shoot it (which is basically anyone at the range who expresses interest) can't say enough good things about this rifle. i did add a cheapie butt pad from amazon for the benefit of my girlie shoulder.
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If you want to shoot pistol caliber ARFs then check out the JRCs (Just Right Carbine) yeah they cost about $700 but you can run glock mags in them and they effectively replace the camp rifles that Marlin made a few years ago that took a pounding.
RIGHT NOW, I believe that Bank Street Guns (located on Bank Street) in Kingman AZ has a .45 ACP and a 9mm JRC for around $600 or $700 each. They are very nice and you can buy a JRC caliber conversion kit I think to change calibers, or maybe just a new jrc upper. but it is nice because they use glock mags. http://www.justrightcarbines.com/
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But for a home defense rifle, a bullet buttoned AR STILL HAS LOTS of value and usefulness. But it's a moot point, the op isn't even California.
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11-05-2013, 7:24 AM
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[QUOTE=Chickshooter;12686821]update:
the only complaint i have about this rifle is that it gets DIRTY (but i hear pistol caliber ARs have this tendency). QUOTE] all AR15's get dirty because the gas is puked directly into the bolt key/carrier. It's just the way these guns work. They will run dry and clean, oily and clean, oily and dirty, but not dry and dirty for very long.
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