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Old 10-18-2013, 7:46 PM
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Maybe 'cause when it drops out it doesn't hit the sides ?

Brownie down a hallway ??

I haven't laughed so hard in a long time.

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I was at my brother in law's house and there was a CTD catalogue sitting on top of the toilet. Even though I spent a good 20 minutes in there I refused to read it!!!!!!!
Maybe it was not for reading...just sayin
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Old 10-19-2013, 5:16 PM
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Makes me smile to see so many people boycotting CTD. I am with the majority, they would have to give the ammo or anything away for me to buy from them. They only reason I would then is I would know they were loosing money!
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Old 10-19-2013, 5:53 PM
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I hope my next purchase from CTD is their bankruptcy and liquidation sale.
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Old 10-19-2013, 6:20 PM
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Friends don't let friends buy from CTD.
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I stand in alliance with those of you who refuse to do business with CTD.

I'm still on their mailing list however and received their October 2013 catalog mailer a few days ago. While I've come to expect ridicilous, almost comical price points from CTD, I just couldn't believe my eyes when I saw this on page 5 of the aforementioned catalog. Take a look at this:


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Sorry for the poor quality pic. I'll try to post a better picture later. In case you can't decipher the ad, CTD is kind enough to offer "personal defense combination packs" featuring Federal ammunition.

Eack pack comes with a total of 120 rounds: 20 rounds of Hydra-Shok JHP, and 100 rounds of FMJ. The prices vary by caliber.

.380 ACP = $119.19

9mm = $219.19

.40 S&W = $279.79

.45 ACP = $319.19

Can they be serious????

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Old 10-19-2013, 7:13 PM
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I will never buy from CTD and ammo bros !!! Price gougers .
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That's why I will never purchase from CTD again...



I'll raise you...I wish I could find the one screen cap where they wouldn't sell the Springifled M1A CALIFORNIA EDITION to California. Screw them. Better places to spend my money.

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Hope you don't mind if I'm that guy...I just moved out to Cali and saw there was some comments about CTD. What's the issue?
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Old 10-20-2013, 12:33 PM
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Hope you don't mind if I'm that guy...I just moved out to Cali and saw there was some comments about CTD. What's the issue?
Besides blowing up prices? and not selling majority of things to California? What else would someone need to stop supporting such company?
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Old 10-20-2013, 4:49 PM
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CTD is no longer an option for me. I just bought 1000 rounds of steel .223 for $269 shipped from centerfire systems.
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Besides blowing up prices? and not selling majority of things to California? What else would someone need to stop supporting such company?
Makes sense to me. Thank you.
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Old 10-20-2013, 6:11 PM
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I know I won't ever need what they are selling. Will pay more to buy from another vendor.
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Old 10-20-2013, 11:39 PM
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Cheesier Than Douchebags!

I use their catalogs to train my puppy!.....
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Old 10-21-2013, 12:57 AM
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Makes sense to me. Thank you.
They even sold out the entire country at one point.

Who buys from them anyways??
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Old 10-21-2013, 1:09 AM
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They wont even ship cali legal parts here, asked about uppers and they gave some B.S....GO Parallaxtactical for being in cali...CTD WILL GET NO MORE $ from me, the prices not to mention shipping (like im asking for gold plated tnt or something)make for a near stroke feeling until you double check at midwayusa.....


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I remember looking at their catalogs all the time when I was a kid. My father was big into catalog orders back then. This was over 15 years ago when their prices were indeed cheap....now....not so much.
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Alright people,

It is fine that some of you refuse to buy from CTD but, you can't hold it against them for price gouging. Its just simple economics law of supply and demand. CTD is just a player in this game. "Don't hate the player, hate the game"

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Being in Economics, I've drawn a thousand supply/demand curves.

Supply/Demand curves don't fully account for

-Competition - I'm glad CTD doesn't have a monopoly on any product.
-Long term memories of Gun-owners.
-The cost of offending Gun-owners sensibilities who are willing to sacrifice their own personal utility to deny profits to those who tried to take advantage of them.
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Old 10-22-2013, 12:45 AM
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Being in Economics, I've drawn a thousand supply/demand curves.

Supply/Demand curves don't fully account for

-Competition - I'm glad CTD doesn't have a monopoly on any product.
-Long term memories of Gun-owners.
-The cost of offending Gun-owners sensibilities who are willing to sacrifice their own personal utility to deny profits to those who tried to take advantage of them.
Well, I don't know what kind of economics course you were in but it does in form of opportunity cost. The supply curves reflect marginal cost curves, demand curves are determined by marginal utility curves.Consumers will be willing to buy a given quantity of a good, at a given price, if the marginal utility of additional consumption is equal to the opportunity cost determined by the price, that is, the marginal utility of alternative consumption choices. The demand schedule is defined as the willingness and ability of a consumer to purchase a given product in a given frame of time. You will buy from CTD regardless of your thoughts of them, if the price is right...

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Alright people,

It is fine that some of you refuse to buy from CTD but, you can't hold it against them for price gouging. Its just simple economics law of supply and demand. CTD is just a player in this game. "Don't hate the player, hate the game"

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I can blame them all I want. There were at least 10 competitors of theirs that kept their prices in check during the insanity. Those 10+ earned my respect and future business by not gouging. Loyalty is earned.
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Well, I don't know what kind of economics course you were in but it does in form of opportunity cost. The supply curves reflect marginal cost curves, demand curves are determined by marginal utility curves.Consumers will be willing to buy a given quantity of a good, at a given price, if the marginal utility of additional consumption is equal to the opportunity cost determined by the price, that is, the marginal utility of alternative consumption choices. The demand schedule is defined as the willingness and ability of a consumer to purchase a given product in a given frame of time. You will buy from CTD regardless of your thoughts of them, if the price is right...

The determinants of demand are:
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Prices of related goods and services
Consumers' expectations about future prices and incomes that can be checked
Number of potential consumers


I have a degree in Economics. You missed calculating the elasticity of demand in your determinants.

CTD can suck it because the market is perfectly competitive, substitutes are high and brand DIS-loyalty.

While it would be irrational to not buy 9MM from them at 25 cents a round shipped, I will make that irrational choice because my personal utility function of F(u) = C T D brings me more happiness than the 4 cents a round in savings.

Theoretical economics is different from _applied_ economics as people make irrational choices as per my example above - otherwise everyone in the field would be making perfect decisions every single time which they do not.

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Maybe 'cause when it drops out it doesn't hit the sides ?

Brownie down a hallway ??

LMAO!!!!! Stop it, I just spit coffee all over the screen.
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You're enabling by even posting the deal. Some aren't aware about CDT's gouging and will buy it because you posted it. Sales that they would have lost otherwise.
So by posting it, you're indirectly adding money to CTD's profits.
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For what it is worth this ammo price got me into the AR market. I will be spending thousands of dollars on ARs for the rest of my. Actually I'm sure I'll spend more than thousands.
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Bottom line is CTD has historically been the worst of the worst. Supply and demand is different than gouging. It's that simple.
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Get what you can, because with all these dumb ****s going after school (prayers out to the teacher that was just killed) just a matter of time that the CA senate is going to try and push some other wack *** ****, then another panic is going to happend AGAIN. Then people are going to cry that no one has anything.
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Well, I don't know what kind of economics course you were in but it does in form of opportunity cost. The supply curves reflect marginal cost curves, demand curves are determined by marginal utility curves.Consumers will be willing to buy a given quantity of a good, at a given price, if the marginal utility of additional consumption is equal to the opportunity cost determined by the price, that is, the marginal utility of alternative consumption choices. The demand schedule is defined as the willingness and ability of a consumer to purchase a given product in a given frame of time. You will buy from CTD regardless of your thoughts of them, if the price is right...

The determinants of demand are:
Income
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Prices of related goods and services
Consumers' expectations about future prices and incomes that can be checked
Number of potential consumers
Regardless of price, when the consumer feels like he/she has been screwed by a company, regardless of reason, and that company makes no effort to right the wrong or even apologize, they will lose that customers business.

That rule trumps supply and demand. That is what the Calgunners here are communicating. That and reputation, particularly bad reputation by word of mouth from former customers, have more impact that a "good price".
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I knew nothing of the 2008 election price hikes these guys did. I found them in Feb. 2011 and spent a fair amount of money with them. By mid 2011 I was so disgusted with them from personal bad experiences that had nothing to do with price hikes I had had enough. They started at a gunshow table years ago and were a good place but as happens with a lot of businesses they hire people to run things as they grow and either don't watch them or make decisions that are contrary to what made them sucessful in the first place. I deal with vendors all day long everyday and I really can't remember any others that have a facebook page started for the sole purpose of boycotting them besides CTD. To each his own. They must be making money from unknowing customers or they'd have to do things differently. Good marketing and a place as huge as the internet affords them a huge pool of customers, some that have no idea what prices could be.

I found this an interesting read a few years ago. It's a post telling the users of a forum, ARFCOM, that they were going to be back on the site. The person posting was a regular user of the forum that had gone to work for them and had his rearend handed to him. This was before this last election. http://www.ar15.com/forums/t_1_5/123...y_.html&page=1
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I've heard from Texans that the in store experience with them is great. I mentioned some of the CA issues, and they basically just shook their head, and said that the people in the brick and mortar store are nothing like that.
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I've heard from Texans that the in store experience with them is great. I mentioned some of the CA issues, and they basically just shook their head, and said that the people in the brick and mortar store are nothing like that.
How can the in-store experience be great with $100 AR and Glock mags and $1.00 per round .223 and .45? I don't believe them for one second. Unless they were charging 75% less in the stores there's no way anyone would say that. I suspect they were talking out of their arses.
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Dunno. Frankly I couldn't care less about price hikes. Everybody decided between being out of stock or out pricing the hoarders. Prepared people weren't impacted. I hate CTD for their BS attitudes and snide snipes they make at fictitious CA laws. I won't shop where random items aren't available because of what state I live in.
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It is fine that some of you refuse to buy from CTD but, you can't hold it against them for price gouging. Its just simple economics law of supply and demand. CTD is just a player in this game. "Don't hate the player, hate the game"

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I rather pay slightly more to a company that supports CA gun owners than a company that tries to screw us every chance they get, so f*ck that economics bullsh*t. At the end of the day, even with "great pricing", you wouldn't continue to shop and support a company that sh*ts on you over and over, would you? Pretty much, you're saying "oh it's ok if CTD don't want to sell CA approved products to CA gun owners. It's simple economics so us Californians shouldn't hold it against CTD. Instead we should blame the economics law". Lol, sure guy. You tell me what kind of role does "supply and demand" play in not wanting to sell CA compliant parts to Californians? Just curious, why are you so defensive? Do you work for them?
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