You CAN buy 2 handguns in a 30 day period in CA

[marksmandowntown]

If you have BOTH a C&R 03 FFL and a Certificate of Eligibility, you can buy any number of handguns in a 30 day period and are not limited by Penal Code §2753.

I have done it myself more than once this year. Here's the part you should write down or print:

There is a popular misconception that such purchases are limited to C&R handguns. That is incorrect. The law does not make that restriction.

The text of Penal Code §27535 (was 12072(a)(9)(B)) is:

(a) No person shall make an application to purchase more
than one handgun within any 30-day period.

(b) Subdivision (a) shall not apply to any of the following:
...
(9) Any person who is licensed as a collector pursuant to Chapter
44 (commencing with Section 921) of Title 18 of the United States
Code and the regulations issued pursuant thereto, and has a current
certificate of eligibility issued by the Department of Justice
pursuant to Article 1 (commencing with Section 26700) of Chapter 2.


Feel free to contact me if you have any questions.

[Librarian]

Absolutely correct.

The CA-DOJ appears to believe otherwise, but the PC, as you quote, is entirely clear.

[Bug Splat]

Interesting. Thanks for the heads up

[Sam]

Yeah, and I'm impatiently waiting for my 03 FFL to get here...

[Zedrek]

Originally Posted by Sam

Yeah, and I'm impatiently waiting for my 03 FFL to get here...

Me too, well my updated address one anyways.

[Arthur84]

How long does it take to get those licenses? If I start now, can I get it one before december?

[Artema]

Originally Posted by Sam

Yeah, and I'm impatiently waiting for my 03 FFL to get here...

How long should I expect to wait? I put mine in a few weeks ago.

[JackRydden224]

I am actually looking to get one of those. I have my 03FFL already. I would think I take the Live Scan Request form to the local PD and do a scan? After the scan I would get an ATI number which will go on to the application. I just need to mail out the application after getting the ATI number.

I read the instructions and it is actually pretty simple.

[marksmandowntown]

C&R FFL Info here.
CoE Info here (post #2).

It doesn't take a lot of money, patience or paperwork to get these licenses. Don't feel intimidated. It's easy, quick and cheap.

[trigger945]

Good info. Thanks OP!

[hcbr]

ugh i have my FFL 3 been lagging on the COE... must do now

[dyson]

Wow. Im signing up tomorrow

[rvicta]

I have both but have yet to use them on anything.

[Glocker23]

What's the lead time. If we started now, would we get something in hand by December?

[sigstroker]

Gummint is shut down, so who knows?

[SneezySky]

Will this 03 FFL/COE combo work for transferring multiple guns from an out of state parent/child? That is, can I make an INTERstate INTRA-familial transfer of (off roster & on roster) multiple handguns? I will bring in the guns personally in to the state. No shipping required. From what I read, INTERstate INTRA-familial are limited to 1 per 30 day but hoping the 03 FFL/COE combo would allow more than 1.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by SneezySky

Will this 03 FFL/COE combo work for transferring multiple guns from an out of state parent/child? That is, can I make an INTERstate INTRA-familial transfer of (off roster & on roster) multiple handguns? I will bring in the guns personally in to the state. No shipping required. From what I read, INTERstate INTRA-familial are limited to 1 per 30 day but hoping the 03 FFL/COE combo would allow more than 1.

You cannot legally take possession of non-C&R handguns out of state, so you cannot bring them in yourself.

I expect you already know your C&R allows getting C&R handguns, and all you need to do is report them, no FFL required (besides your own C&R).

But it does appear that the C&R + COE combination should exempt you from the 1-in-30 on non-C&R handguns, interstate transfer or in-state. Intrafamilial would exempt you from the Roster - but interstate intrafamilial cannot be purchases, the guns must be gifts.

[SneezySky]

I don't have C&R or COE - yet. I was wanting see if that would allow me to go to my dad's and bring back 3 guns in one trip. This would not be a purchase but could I pick it up from him?

Originally Posted by Librarian

You cannot legally take possession of non-C&R handguns out of state, so you cannot bring them in yourself.

I expect you already know your C&R allows getting C&R handguns, and all you need to do is report them, no FFL required (besides your own C&R).

But it does appear that the C&R + COE combination should exempt you from the 1-in-30 on non-C&R handguns, interstate transfer or in-state. Intrafamilial would exempt you from the Roster - but interstate intrafamilial cannot be purchases, the guns must be gifts.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by SneezySky

I don't have C&R or COE - yet. I was wanting see if that would allow me to go to my dad's and bring back 3 guns in one trip. This would not be a purchase but could I pick it up from him?

If the guns from your dad were C&R guns, a C&R license would allow you to retrieve them from him, from out of state back to CA, according to that license.

[SneezySky]

Hmm, then would it be legal for him to bring the 3 guns to me?

Originally Posted by Librarian

If the guns from your dad were C&R guns, a C&R license would allow you to retrieve them from him, from out of state back to CA, according to that license.

[morrcarr67]

Sneezy - He could bring them to California but they would need to be transferred to you by a California ffl.

All firearm transfer between residents of different states must be done by a ffl in the state of the new owner.

[Librarian]

Originally Posted by Librarian

If the guns from your dad were C&R guns, a C&R license would allow you to retrieve them from him, from out of state back to CA, according to that license.

Originally Posted by SneezySky

Hmm, then would it be legal for him to bring the 3 guns to me?

Originally Posted by morrcarr67

Sneezy - He could bring them to California but they would need to be transferred to you by a California ffl.

All firearm transfer between residents of different states must be done by a ffl in the state of the new owner.

Right - the situation is not symmetrical. Even a CA C&R license-holder must use a CA FFL to transfer handguns inside CA.

Details -- the Calguns Foundation Wiki articles on

Intrafamilial transfer - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Tr...Family_Members

Interstate transfer - http://wiki.calgunsfoundation.org/Tr...rms_Interstate

[SandDiegoDuner]

Did you see my post in the FFL forum a couple of days before you posted this?

Some FFL's are not versed in this process and it is a learning experience for them. Anyone looking to use this exemption make sure the FFL enters in 1-in-30 exempt and choose licensed collector with current COE. If the DROS is run any other way it will be rejected!!!

Originally Posted by marksmandowntown

If you have BOTH a C&R 03 FFL and a Certificate of Eligibility, you can buy any number of handguns in a 30 day period and are not limited by Penal Code §27535.

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[SneezySky]

Thanks for the good info!

It was confusing trying to combine the 2 sets of special rules. One more question, could the 3 firearms be shipped to a CA FFL instead of my dad bringing in person? He may not want to do bring in person.

[BigJ]

Originally Posted by SandDiegoDuner

Did you see my post in the FFL forum a couple of days before you posted this?

Some FFL's are not versed in this process and it is a learning experience for them. Anyone looking to use this exemption make sure the FFL enters in 1-in-30 exempt and choose licensed collector with current COE. If the DROS is run any other way it will be rejected!!!

This can't be overstated. Expect to educate your FFL01 on this, and bring your good attitude and patience along with your paperwork. Expect to get told you're wrong, and be prepared to provide evidence to the contrary; and I don't mean a print out of this thread.

[MrExel17]

Good to know thanks for the heads up!