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Old 09-26-2013, 2:52 PM
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Default Savage 10 FCP vs Remington 700 as SHTF 308 Caliber bolt action rifle?

In case I was placed in a situation where I would have to reach beyond 600yrds to protect my ome base then I would want a bol action 308.

Which of the two rifles will be best for SHTF in terms of accuracy, reliability, ease of maintenance, availability of parts etc.

Which would be good for defending home base from farther away threats?

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I went with a Savage FCP 10 308 with the Accu-Stock, Accu-Trigger, scope mounting rail. Magazine fed, 24" heavy barrel, fluted, and threaded. Plus it was a special run and it is 5R barrel. Paid $829 plus fees and taxes.
I wanted the Remington 700 5R Stainless, but base on that is about $1,250. Buddy has one, very nice. (But like you wrote, I too wanted something for SHTF)
Without magazine feed, and no threaded barrel. I am a Remington fan, but read a lot of good things about the Savage. Plus I wanted to buy before the long gun registration kicks in. Have not had a chance to break it in. Besides the better half does not know about this one yet! LOL! For optics, I went cheap with a Primary Arms 4-14, just to get some optics on it to play with out at Sac Valley. Yes, I know I need a better scope.
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Need to better define what you want - sniper or low weight hunting/tactical. What's he yardage - 100 yards get a 30-30 lever (I can lay down 5 shots whereas a bolt might get 2 or 3), 500 yds then a bolt plus $$ scope will be needed.
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The remington aac-sd in 16.5 is a handy length and feels good.
Just a quick shim job if you plan to bi pod it though.
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SHTF long range rifle; So you think you are going to be shooting people at 400 yards, how do you know they aren't friendly? I know people here like to fanaticize, buy tacticool sniper rifles and dress them up with lots of cool gadgets. What's wrong with a good old deer rifle?
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AR10 18" barrel, 3-18 Mark6. Its about as good as it gets for me. If I had to take a factory bolt gun: Rem 700 AAC 20". Thats the best 308 bolt gun deal going today. I see them for 550-625.00 all day on this sight!
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I know people here like to fanaticize, buy tacticool sniper rifles and dress them up with lots of cool gadgets.
This makes me laugh....... I guess you really know NOTHING about bolt guns or optics. Its nice to carry 2 10r mags instead of a stupid box of ammo. Good scopes "tactical scopes" have some of the most repeatable adjustments and can take abuse. Wouldnt that be good for SHTF?
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Remington 700 SPS Tactical in 308.
Mine is 10.5 lbs loaded and 20" bbl can do the 500 - 800 yard gig all day long.
*AAC-SD is can capable.
Remington 700 type has pretty much been rung out as far as reliability and it is as common as unleaded fuel. These things are rock solid.
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This makes me laugh....... I guess you really know NOTHING about bolt guns or optics. Its nice to carry 2 10r mags instead of a stupid box of ammo. Good scopes "tactical scopes" have some of the most repeatable adjustments and can take abuse. Wouldnt that be good for SHTF?
How much better is your tacticool sniper scope and my Leupold VX-III?

A magazine hanging under the receiver is a PITA. Do you really think you might be doing that much none stop shooting?
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Rem 700 Police with the 20" barrel.

Again with a SHTF situation, you can grab another 700 trigger or bolt real easy off another gun. Also the 20" barrel would def give you more of a carry rifle.
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I've owned more leupolds then I can count on my hands and feet. I own zero now. My scopes I own now: bushnell hdmrs, NF, vortex. All of those scopes are leaps and bounds above your leupold. My mark 6 is equal to ten vx3 or mark 4. Glass is on par with euro scopes and quality is top tier. Vx 3 and mark 4 don't impress. I had 3 premier ffp 6.5-20x leupolds, none held their zeros. Very disappointed. And like most say: there warranty is good. It is in fact good, but I prefer not to buy scopes that need warranty. I have a NF that fell out of my truck while on a hunt with dents. Held zero and works good. It's with my friend in Alaska doing some hunting now and 5 years later it still works like new.
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Not so much SHTF but for bench target shooting, I went with Savage. Picked up 2 Savages for the price of one Rem. While I love my buddy's 700, the price tag was a problem. So I opted for a .308 and a .223 Savage bolt guns instead.

When I was in the Marines, I qual'ed Expert on the M16A2 service rifle so hitting a dog target at 500 meters with .223 is manageable. I'll use the .308 for longer ranges up to 1 click. The problem for me, has been finding a KD range that goes out that far.
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C&R Mosin Nagant or Mauser...
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Best bet would be a light weight hunting rem700 in .308. Easy to find parts and rounds. If your not sure on a tactical style rifle or a hunting style rifle, put a 40lb pack on and carry a 15lb tactical rifle around . Make sure you hike uphill .
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Not sure what "long range" means for you, but for SHTF I'd look first at a Ruger GSR. Mag-fed, iron sights. Shorter barrel means handier and lighter, but does also cut down the range; the way I shoot, though, the shorter range is still beyond my temperament.
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Buy once cry once, just get the best and call it a day.

Either a nice bolt build DIY, a Gap bolt or Gap semi rifle.



I got an lmt mws and LOVE IT!. I would not trade it for a bolt gun.





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Tnx for the response everyone. I already have other rifles for carry, patrol, short recons etc. I'm mainly envisioning using this 308 at home base to shoot about 600 meters to 1000
meters. I can hit 600 yards with iron sights (KAC) on AR, want something beyond that range. I'm leaning towards a bolt action since I've read it's more accurate than regular semiauto which is probably why snipers use it. I eventually want to own a 50 or maybe a 338 lapua but that might take awhile in terms of budget assuming its still available then. And ammowise it just seems too expensive and not ad available at this time and when shtf. Not sure of the optics yet but focusing on rifle for now. Anyone out there own both a savage and a 700?

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Win Model 88 Lever Action in .308 is one of my favorites anyway -

Helluva lot easier to shoot faster than a bolt.

Now if I could only remember where I out that 8rd mag for it.....
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Anyone who can shoot 500 yds with iron sights and put it on the paper, hats off to you, I can't even see the paper at 500 yds.
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Not sure what "long range" means for you, but for SHTF I'd look first at a Ruger GSR. Mag-fed, iron sights. Shorter barrel means handier and lighter, but does also cut down the range; the way I shoot, though, the shorter range is still beyond my temperament.
After handling both, I would HIGHLY recommend the Mossberg Patrol in .308 over the Ruger GSR. It's also about $300 cheaper and uses SR25 mags instead of proprietary Ruger ones.

For long range (out to 1000yds) this is the rifle I have been considering. http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/M10FCP10 I handled one in Turner's and the action was smooth as glass.

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Anyone who can shoot 500 yds with iron sights and put it on the paper, hats off to you, I can't even see the paper at 500 yds.
EVERY Marine can do this and at 500yds we are shooting at a man sized target not a big bulls eye.
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After handling both, I would HIGHLY recommend the Mossberg Patrol in .308 over the Ruger GSR. It's also about $300 cheaper and uses SR25 mags instead of proprietary Ruger ones.

For long range (out to 1000yds) this is the rifle I have been considering. http://www.savagearms.com/firearms/model/M10FCP10 I handled one in Turner's and the action was smooth as glass.

what made you choose this over the 10 fcp mcmillan or 10 fcp hs precision

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BTW you would have better response & much much better info if you posted in the Rifle section and not here where you'd get really great recommendation on where's the cheapest 10lb can of dried potatoes
Because here we actually believe you are more likely to die of hunger and thirst than face a 1000yd firefight during shtf, lol.
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In SHTF you better have iron sights,
At least a med-long term situation,
Scopes get damaged and if there is no.shop/repair
Facilities you will have a non-functioning weapon
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Here is my SHTF Bolt Action..

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4GeV9xqLqp4
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Which would be good for defending home base from farther away threats?

I'm mainly envisioning using this 308 at home base to shoot beyond about 600 meters to maybe 1000
meters
Are you sure you want a 308 to shoot beyond 600m? There is a reason the Army is moving onto 300 win mag. Also, I'm not sure how realistic is a use case where you need to engage threats at 600m. If you spot them that far away, shouldn't you E&E?

For more "in close" use, try a Spanish FR8. It is a large ring mauser chambered in 7.62 NATO. Replace the STANAG FH with a brake. The sights are the same as on a G3, so if you can hit 500m with AR sights, you should feel right at home with them. FR8 also has a reputation for accuracy.

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what made you choose this over the 10 fcp mcmillan or 10 fcp hs precision

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It was slightly cheaper and came with the scope rail and a 10rd mag. Plus the desert digi-cam matched my surroundings. They are all the same rifle you are simply paying for the upgraded stock with those other two. Which I think is mainly about ergonomics more so then accuracy.

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In my opinion, if you are looking for a SHTF rifle of any purpose, iron sights are a must (even if only as a backup to your scope)

Qualities of a good SHTF rifle are a bit different than that of a dedicated purposed rifle.
-It needs to be versatile, because you don't know what your situation is going to be.
-It needs to be the most reliable gun you have next to your home defense gun. You have to trust your life, and everyone you love's lives with it.
-It needs to be durable, you don't know what type of situation you will be dealing with. It needs to be able to be dragged through hell and still work (hence the need for iron sights.)
-It should probably be lightweight and quick to acquire targets.

Accuracy, muzzle velocity, and customize-ability are much less important to me.

I have a Ruger GSR for this purpose. I strongly considered an M1A. In the end, I felt the trade off of the bolt action was worth the lighter weight, higher potential reliability, and lower cost.
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At this time, I'm really considering savage 10 fcp hs precision
I'm not really interested in rifles that cant go the distance
I have enough other rifles for short and medium range
Im specifically looking for longer distance beyond 600m
I have other rifles for patroling, etc
Im envisioning this 308 for a home base firearm to deter intruders far away
Eventually goal is to get 50 cal or 338 lapua for even longer distance but because of budget constraints and price of ammo not likely to happen soon

anyone have experience with a 700 remy
As I said, for now really leaning towards savage
but i apprecaite the input regarding other rifles
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I'm not really interested in rifles that cant go the distance
That is much more of a function of the ammo and much less of the rifle. If you don't reload, you should.

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Im specifically looking for longer distance beyond 600m
If you are looking for minute of man at 600m, 7.62 NATO will do it. Heck, you can even lob 5.56 out to that distance. If you want more accuracy (and it sounds like you do) at even longer distances, you should really look into 338 lapua and barret 416.

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I've learned the cheapest way is to spend the money, cry once, and be happy for the rest of your life.
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agree on spend once cry once but dont own a 308 caliber then a 308 it is for now. Tnx for all the input, just felt trigger on savage and am sold. Will be getting a savage 10 fcp hs precision because of its accuracy out of the box and it is already bedded.
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Since when is savage offering factory bedded rifles? The HS stocks are not bedded.... They have a alluninum bedding block to prevent the need for bedding.
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SHTF will be gun confiscation. Because the people who have taken an oath to uphold the constitution do not. Don't count on fellow gun owners to help you when the blue helmets or the Russian troops come knocking on your front door for you registered gun.
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Since when is savage offering factory bedded rifles? The HS stocks are not bedded.... They have a alluninum bedding block to prevent the need for bedding.
got it tnx, so is getting a stock that will need a traditional type of bedding superior to the HS stock that does not need bedding?

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SHTF will be gun confiscation. Because the people who have taken an oath to uphold the constitution do not. Don't count on fellow gun owners to help you when the blue helmets or the Russian troops come knocking on your front door for you registered gun.
im not counting on anyone else
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I wouldn't spend much time configuring a 600-1000m rifle for a SHTF situation.

A) as others said, how do you know you're not shooting at a friendly
B) why would you want to give away your position from so far away

If I'm going to spend all the time to make a rifle that can shoot accurately to 1000m, I'd rather spend the time to make it shoot that far for a purpose I'm likely to need it for.

Not that we shouldn't be ready in case SHTF, but 1000m shots are not going to be a high priority or common occurrence.
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Bolt gun for SHTF? You gotta be kidding me.

Seems like all the mall ninjas are jumping ship from the semi-auto forum into here in preparation of SB374.
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