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Old 09-22-2013, 9:57 PM
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Default Why no class action suit against California for DROS fees?

In the past week, I jailed three long guns. Because of politics-driven shortages, it was impossible for me to find the three firearms I wanted at a single dealer, so that means I had to complete three separate DROS forms and pay the damn $25 fee three times.

Everyone knows this is a scam and the DOJ is raking in a HUGE profit from DROS fees. They've already admitted it when they said they are going to use the millions in surpluses to fund their newly created disarmament activities. The reality is, there should be no fee attached to the DROS. Otherwise, how is it different than a poll tax? The state literally spends billions on all kinds of nonsense BS like entitlements for illegal alien law breakers, multilingual ballots for citizens who supposedly all speak English, all kinds of homosexual activism and promotion, and other nonsense, waste, fraud, and abuse. But WE lawful firearms owners have to pay an outrageously high fee every time we purchase a gun, even though it only costs a fraction of a cent for them to execute an automated database query. At the very least, it should have been a refundable deposit contingent upon you passing the check: if you pass, you get your deposit refunded; if you fail you forfeit your deposit as a fee.

But the bottom line is, even given that the state has determined that we have to fund the DROS process, how can the state be allowed to profit from it?
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:35 PM
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I think this is the least of our worries at this point.
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Old 09-22-2013, 10:47 PM
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Lawsuits against DROS fees have been filed and have been in the works for a while.
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But the bottom line is, even given that the state has determined that we have to fund the DROS process, how can the state be allowed to profit from it?
Because they are our lords and masters now. Forward to the future, comrades!
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I think this is the least of our worries at this point.
Every infringement is an infringement. Besides, defunding the government is one of the most effective means of reigning in its power.
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Lawsuits against DROS fees have been filed and have been in the works for a while.
My understanding is that lawsuit is about unjust delays in the DROS process beyond 10 days (which should be entirely unrelated anyway: the DROS should be instantaneous; the 10-day waiting period was supposedly for "cooling off"). Does that lawsuit also address the problem of excessive DROS fees and the government pocketing that surplus?
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This is the case challenging the DROS fees:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=817772
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This is the case challenging the DROS fees:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=817772
I understand that the legal system acts in geologic time scales, but... that suit was filed 2 years ago. How long do these things take?


So many pending lawsuits, so few decisions. And even fewer favorable ones in this jurisdiction.
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I understand that the legal system acts in geologic time scales, but... that suit was filed 2 years ago. How long do these things take?


So many pending lawsuits, so few decisions. And even fewer favorable ones in this jurisdiction.
I believe there are threads in the Legal forum discussing all the pending cases. Might want to take a gander over there.
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I read the linked thread but it didn't have any real information aside from a link to the initial press release, 2 years ago.
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My understanding is that lawsuit is about unjust delays in the DROS process beyond 10 days (which should be entirely unrelated anyway: the DROS should be instantaneous; the 10-day waiting period was supposedly for "cooling off"). Does that lawsuit also address the problem of excessive DROS fees and the government pocketing that surplus?
Sorry about that. I had both links and posted the wrong one. Meant to post this. The same case is already posted.
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In the past week, I jailed three long guns. Because of politics-driven shortages, it was impossible for me to find the three firearms I wanted at a single dealer, so that means I had to complete three separate DROS forms and pay the damn $25 fee three times.

Everyone knows this is a scam and the DOJ is raking in a HUGE profit from DROS fees. They've already admitted it when they said they are going to use the millions in surpluses to fund their newly created disarmament activities. The reality is, there should be no fee attached to the DROS. Otherwise, how is it different than a poll tax? The state literally spends billions on all kinds of nonsense BS like entitlements for illegal alien law breakers, multilingual ballots for citizens who supposedly all speak English, all kinds of homosexual activism and promotion, and other nonsense, waste, fraud, and abuse. But WE lawful firearms owners have to pay an outrageously high fee every time we purchase a gun, even though it only costs a fraction of a cent for them to execute an automated database query. At the very least, it should have been a refundable deposit contingent upon you passing the check: if you pass, you get your deposit refunded; if you fail you forfeit your deposit as a fee.

But the bottom line is, even given that the state has determined that we have to fund the DROS process, how can the state be allowed to profit from it?
They are looking to redirect more savings from DROS to APPS TOMORROW, and officially put into practice that anything but "approved" after ten day wait = no firearm. See this link and email your disgust:

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=827663
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I will mail out a check of 100 dollars to Calguns Foundation this week.

This is better than NRA which appearently has abandoned California.


Organizations filing law suits in court for gun owners deserve my money and yours too
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Who created the DROS fee? Wasn't that something we got from Bush Sr.?
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Who created the DROS fee? Wasn't that something we got from Bush Sr.?
No.

DROS - Dealer's Record Of Sale - is a California thing, and has has been in place here in some form since 1924.
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No.

DROS - Dealer's Record Of Sale - is a California thing, and has has been in place here in some form since 1924.
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