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Old 11-20-2012, 10:12 PM
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Guess what... Let's get the party started. I will have a few C&R NFA 870s, 37s, 12s, and possibly some other models in the very near future. Knowing that I have this shipment coming, I am more willing to let go of the 870 SBS that I have in stock. These were not easy to get, but finally we have them coming! I will post in the commercial section.
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I see nothing in the commercial section yet.....
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Guess what... Let's get the party started. I will have a few C&R NFA 870s, 37s, 12s, and possibly some other models in the very near future. Knowing that I have this shipment coming, I am more willing to let go of the 870 SBS that I have in stock. These were not easy to get, but finally we have them coming! I will post in the commercial section.
Sent you a PM before I saw this post.

The 870 is likely not factory NFA, so I have to assume it was Form 1 or Form 2'd more than 50 years ago. Is this the case?
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The 870 came to us on a Form 3. The ATF approved it. We're waiting on ATF to process the rest of the forms for the other SBSs to come through. My understanding was the Monterey County had used these SBSs on duty as it had a property tag on it from the S.O. I have tried to contact the sergeant in charge to get more history and information, but he has been unresponsive. The first 870 C&R SBS sold at the SJ Gun Show on Saturday. We'll post in the commercial section when the others are available.
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My understanding is that a replica C&R is considered a C&R.
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My understanding is that a replica C&R is considered a C&R.
Would you be permitted to make replicas of this C&R shotgun?
Replicas and reproductions are not C&R qualified unless they are 50 years old themselves.
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Old 11-28-2012, 10:30 AM
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Replicas and reproductions are not C&R qualified unless they are 50 years old themselves.
...under state law. Federal law allows for for replicas and reproductions.
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A gun does not have to be 50 years old to be C&R. Take the Bren Ten for example.
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The first 870 C&R SBS sold at the SJ Gun Show on Saturday. We'll post in the commercial section when the others are available.
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Old 11-28-2012, 11:02 AM
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A gun does not have to be 50 years old to be C&R. Take the Bren Ten for example.
This is true under federal law. However, the state only defines C&Rs as being over fifty years old. I used to have a C&R license prior to having an 07/FFL. I could not legal purchase guns less than 50 years old on that license.
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...under state law. Federal law allows for for replicas and reproductions.
State law is the limiter here, that's what I'm referring to.
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The M14 (civilian variant) is also not eligible from what I hear, regardless of year. Is that true?
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I was hoping for:

Pay this to a lawyer $$$

Pay this to the FFL for the gun

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Does anyone know where I can get the above mentioned done? ? ?
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Pay this to a lawyer $$$

Pay this to the FFL for the gun

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go to the OP and look for the list of known SOTs willing to sell to the public. Call up one close enough to you and tell them what you want. They should be able to hold your hand through the process.
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I wish I had read the complete thread before I spent $300 on an old 12 gauge shotgun to use for a SBS. I guess I can go hunt ducks with it.
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Im guessing i can not buy an ak pistol/krinkov and add a stock to it? Can i file for tax stamp and make it work or not in california?
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Im guessing i can not buy an ak pistol/krinkov and add a stock to it? Can i file for tax stamp and make it work or not in california?
you would be making a modern SBR, and you cant do that in CA unless you get a virtually impossible to get CADOJ Dangerous Weapons Permit.
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H&R single shot .410 break open pistol manufacturered 1924-1934. Guy had them in the state, dies, and some guys I know are going to get them in an estate sale.

Legal, can be legal, or illegal?

Talking to the potential buyer, the Blue Book says they should have been registered or they are illegal. Sounds good to me. What do you guys think?
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H&R single shot .410 break open pistol. Guy had them in the state, dies, and some guys I know are going to get them in an estate sale.

Legal, can be legal, or illegal?
Find out if they are already registered NFA items or if they have rifled barrels.
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Not rifled. Definitely smooth bore.
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Not rifled. Definitely smooth bore.
if the barrel is removed and removed from the owner's control, it is just a title 1 firearm. At that point, a person can legally file a Form 1 to make an AOW. once the Form 1 is approved, it can engraved with the maker's info and a NEW smooth barrel installed. you aren't supposed to put the orginal barrel back on the firearm. by doing so, it would appear that the original barrel was never discarded by the owner and therefore it never left Title II status.
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To those who purchased an AOW via trust:

Does it matter how you paid for the AOW? Is it ok for me to pay via cc in my personal name, or does the account of whatever form of payment (cc, check, cashier's check) need to be associated with the trust?
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To those who purchased an AOW via trust:

Does it matter how you paid for the AOW? Is it ok for me to pay via cc in my personal name, or does the account of whatever form of payment (cc, check, cashier's check) need to be associated with the trust?
My trust attorney said that payment had to be made by the Trust. I set up accounts at ING Direct (now Capital One 360) under the Trust's name, then tranferred money into them to "fund the trust", then debited one of those accounts when I paid for the AOW.

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Anyone have any luck with an AOW purchase due to the timeline of tax stamps vs pending SSE legislation?
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Depending on if AB169 passes and is signed by the Governor, it is far too late to instigate a Form 4. They are taking 7 months currently. Of course, if AB169 is not signed into law, it would still be possible.
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The place where I got my Serbu has pulled them all from the shelves pending this sort of legislation. Really sucks.
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Got a question for the experts... I'm getting the itch to build something and this little project looked like fun. It's a Leinad Double Derringer. Side plates and parts kits can be had for relatively little money. From what I've read and seen in Youtube vids, the barrels are .45LC or .410 and are rifled. Here's a pic of the finished product in question.



Now, if I wanted to build one, could I just go the single shot route and then convert it back? Since the barrels are rifled, does it exempt it from AW, CA SBS and NFA status? If not, could I build it as an AOW or would the barrels need to be smoothbores?
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Got a question for the experts... I'm getting the itch to build something and this little project looked like fun. It's a Leinad Double Derringer. Side plates and parts kits can be had for relatively little money. From what I've read and seen in Youtube vids, the barrels are .45LC or .410 and are rifled. Here's a pic of the finished product in question.



Now, if I wanted to build one, could I just go the single shot route and then convert it back? Since the barrels are rifled, does it exempt it from AW, CA SBS and NFA status? If not, could I build it as an AOW or would the barrels need to be smoothbores?
rifled bores don't exempt it from CA SBS law, that is why the Judge is considered an SBS even though it has rifled barrels. if you wanted to keep the rifled barrels, I'd probably suggest going with an VFG on it to make it an AOW.
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This was asked in another thread and I hypothesized the legality of it... but can someone answer it definiteively?

How do you put a VFG on an AR pistol and have it not fall under NFA AOW rules? Is it because it's over 26" overall length but is not carried concealed upon the person?
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This was asked in another thread and I hypothesized the legality of it... but can someone answer it definiteively?

How do you put a VFG on an AR pistol and have it not fall under NFA AOW rules? Is it because it's over 26" overall length but is not carried concealed upon the person?
that's what Franklin Armory's letter from the Tech Branch says. That since it is over 26" OAL, it is considered a longgun and not a pistol (federally). As such, it isn't considered a concealable firearm and can have multiple handgrips.
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that's what Franklin Armory's letter from the Tech Branch says. That since it is over 26" OAL, it is considered a longgun and not a pistol (federally). As such, it isn't considered a concealable firearm and can have multiple handgrips.
Wow... surprising CA doesn't have anything prohibiting adding that dangerous second handgrip on a pistol... because you know that is all there is that stops any AR pistol out there from becoming a WMD.

But under CA law, don't rifles have to at least 30" long? So our AR pistols are still pistols under CA law, but we can add a VFG as long as it is over 26" but under 30"?
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Wow... surprising CA doesn't have anything prohibiting adding that dangerous second handgrip on a pistol... because you know that is all there is that stops any AR pistol out there from becoming a WMD.
they do prohibit them on semi-auto pistols with detachable magazines, creates an AW. but a maglock clears that hurdle.
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Does anyone know how this C&R SBR exemption applies to C&R handguns with shoulder stock attachments exempt from NFA, such as C96 Broomhandles, Hi-Powers, and Artillery Lugers?
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Does anyone know how this C&R SBR exemption applies to C&R handguns with shoulder stock attachments exempt from NFA, such as C96 Broomhandles, Hi-Powers, and Artillery Lugers?

they would be exempt from CA's SBR law, but there is no C&R exemption to the AW laws, so you need to make sure you don't create an AW because of evil features or being <30" OAL.
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Old 08-22-2013, 8:40 PM
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Originally Posted by ke6guj View Post
Yup, if it was a pistol-gripped shotgun, and has never had a stock attached, you could do a Form 1 for an AOW with a trust with no CLEO signoff and no need for an NFA dealer.

Once you get the Form 1 approved, then go ahead and create your own Super Shorty. Just make sure that you never attach a stock to it or you will have created an illegal SBS.
Very sad to see the SSE door closing potentially (likely)... Is this method still viable? Wonder if Serbu would consider selling Super-Shorty kits less-receiver for those with PG-only 870's.. (Forend, magazine, barrel..)... Or I could build my own I guess
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