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Old 01-15-2016, 1:23 PM
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The new legislation, Assembly Bill 1663, would stop bullet buttons and require a fixed mag.
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The new legislation, Assembly Bill 1663, would stop bullet buttons and require a fixed mag.
...and in my opinion, making an AR type, if not other rifle/guns with a jam more dangerous to the shooter and possibly others.

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That's okay I've still got my ghost gun that can shoot a 30 caliber magazine clip in HALF A SECOND!!
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...and in my opinion, making an AR type, if not other rifle/guns with a jam more dangerous to the shooter and possibly others.

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I am guessing that is one of the goals. Every injured shooter or unintended discharge is a win to the would be slut-queen of the big bird brains.
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I've wanted to get rid of these pesky
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I guess we are all going featureless then...
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I guess we are all going featureless then...
Those will be next.
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I guess we are all going featureless then...
Featureless wouldn't work either. Any semi-auto or self-loading centerfire rifle that has a detachable magazine regardless of features would be banned for sale. It changes the definition of a fixed magazine to one that can't be removed without disassembly of the action.
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I guess we are all going featureless then...
AB 1663 deletes the concept of features from the AW definition. The only "feature" remaining is "semiautomatic".
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AB 1663 deletes the concept of features from the AW definition. The only "feature" remaining is "semiautomatic".
Exactly. That means the new definition encompasses a ton more popular rifles and shotguns, including some C&Rs.
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The only "feature" remaining is "semiautomatic".
Because semi-automatic guns, which have been available since the 1880s, are the cause of the all the mass shootings in the 2010s.


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Featureless wouldn't work either. Any semi-auto or self-loading centerfire rifle that has a detachable magazine regardless of features would be banned for sale. It changes the definition of a fixed magazine to one that can't be removed without disassembly of the action.
Any governor who signs such an obviously unconstitutional pile of filth, deserves to be strung up beside the traitors who drafted it.

If the courts won't defend the constitution and the voters are too stupid to realize the hole they are digging for themselves, direct action of the messy kind is a real possibility.
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...and in my opinion, making an AR type, if not other rifle/guns with a jam more dangerous to the shooter and possibly others.
Don't tell them, or they'll create a Roster of Rifles Certified for Sale to ban these dangerous Saturday Night Special exploding fixed magazine rifles.
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Are they also going to ban the shoulder thing that goes up? Because that would be a travesty - I've never seen one, and if they're banned, I never will...
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Hell no's.
No and No.

You would keep that BB and register it as AW with no transfer and strict transportation of your BB AW.
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I wonder what would happened if you registered your receiver as a bullet buttonless AW in the description, what recourse would they have?
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Are they also going to ban the shoulder thing that goes up? Because that would be a travesty - I've never seen one, and if they're banned, I never will...
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My question. So this isn't 1995 and only a handfull of savy gunowners have an AR15, this is 2016 and the AR is the most popular rifle in the country, in CA alone there has to be Millions, how can they even attempt this with usage being so high?
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You would keep that BB and register it as AW with no transfer and strict transportation of your BB AW.

Question on this? If the option for a BB'd gun is to register it as so, what about a current featureless? Would/could you register as a featureless AW?

Also once the are RAWs, could you use hi caps?

Lots of wrong and flawed logic in this bill.
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My question. So this isn't 1995 and only a handfull of savy gunowners have an AR15, this is 2016 and the AR is the most popular rifle in the country, in CA alone there has to be Millions, how can they even attempt this with usage being so high?
They just pass a law, have a crazy governor sign it and we all become criminals. Like they just did in Los Angeles. "How can they attempt that?" They don't worry about those things.

If you follow the 9th circuit cases on gun control laws, you will see that our government does not run like the one we learned in our textbooks in school. When one party is in control, they do what they want. It is called communism.

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Question on this? If the option for a BB'd gun is to register it as so, what about a current featureless? Would/could you register as a featureless AW?

Also once the are RAWs, could you use hi caps?
Once you have a registered assault weapon, you can't make it more assaulty. Bullet buttons go, features stay.
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Once you have a registered assault weapon, you can't make it more assaulty. Bullet buttons go, features stay.
Have you read the AB1663 and AB1664 text in full? Me thinks you have not.
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No and No.

You would keep that BB and register it as AW with no transfer and strict transportation of your BB AW.
If I read the crib notes correctly, 1663 makes BB semi's into RAWs, whereas 1664 makes semi's into RAWs and BB's illegal. I'll take 1664 over 1663 cause if you make my BB'd, neutered ****ing AR into a RAW, I'll take it to AZ to my a family member's house until I leave this garbage *** state in 24 or less months.
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Anyone remember how many standard cap mags were handed in to LA county during the grace period? Zero. When the language comes out we will find out what they can enforce
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Have you read the AB1663 and AB1664 text in full? Me thinks you have not.
You might want to read the text in 1664...**** 1663, that **** is retarded. Who the **** keeps electing these idiots? Oh that's right, the Calgun Democrats and their friends.
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Interesting that there's no mention of NRA in that article.
The California leftists are not interested in real American ideals. They like following in the footsteps of Mao, Pol Pot, Castro etc.
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Unless we get a republican president , they will confiscate the guns , or maybe Obummer will just do it before he leave .
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Anyone remember how many standard cap mags were handed in to LA county during the grace period? Zero. When the language comes out we will find out what they can enforce
..................hidden away guns and magazines do no one any good.
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So I should look forward to standard release, as BB is a no go, I'm ok with that.
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Anyone remember how many standard cap mags were handed in to LA county during the grace period? Zero. When the language comes out we will find out what they can enforce
they just want to have the law in their corner

they won't come looking for you, your magazines, or, your now "illegal" AR15's...they'll deal with us as they come across us, one by one, they'll have the law on their side

so, they really don't care if you actually turn them in, they'll have no problem charging you as a felon when they do catch up to you
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Anyone remember how many standard cap mags were handed in to LA county during the grace period? Zero. When the language comes out we will find out what they can enforce
This is the most relevant fact that has posted in any of the recent threads...

Nothing more really needs to be discussed.
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they just want to have the law in their corner

they won't come looking for you, your magazines, or, your now "illegal" AR15's...they'll deal with us as they come across us, one by one, they'll have the law on their side

so, they really don't care if you actually turn them in, they'll have no problem charging you as a felon when they do catch up to you
They just released thousands of prisoners due to overcrowding... What are they going to do with tens (or hundreds) of thousands Patriots?
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They just released thousands of prisoners due to overcrowding... What are they going to do with tens (or hundreds) of thousands Patriots?
They will give you a criminal record that removes your gun rights, voting rights, a lot of job and travel opportunities, and no doubt other effects as well.
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Have you read the AB1663 and AB1664 text in full? Me thinks you have not.
I have indeed. Neither bill changes anything about how assault weapons are regulated; they only change how AWs are defined.

Once you register a rifle as an assault weapon, it's an assault weapon. You can't make it more of an AW at that point by taking the bullet button off.

You know there were people who registered Category 3 (defined by features) AWs in Y2K, right? Do you think those people still need to keep those rifles equipped with bullet buttons or in featureless configurations?
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