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Old 09-21-2013, 4:31 PM
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Default A very British day at the range...

I recently picked up a British Lee Enfield No5 Mk1 from AIM Surplus. This carbine is a numbers matching gun that has a very nice looking stock and some honest wear.

It was built at the Royal Ordnance Factory in 1947. The wood is numbers matched to the receiver, and has straight grain with not too many dents. The bolt number also matches. The magazine is not matching, as usual.

There is some minor surface rust that doesn't affect function. The bolt cycles smoothly. Headspace on my gauges checks OK with a No 1 bolt head. Throat wear is visible ( the rifling is gone up to about a centimeter from the throat). The only problem it had was a missing extractor spring, which was corrected by replacing it with a new one.






I procured four different types of ammo to test today.

1) PPU 174gr FMJ BT
2) PPU 150gr SP
3) S&B 180gr FMJ
4) Hornady 174gr "Vintage match" BTHP


It was overcast and breezy today, threatening rain.....not ideal conditions, but WTH I drove all the way out here to Sac Valley so I might as well shoot.

All shooting done at 100 yds.

Tried the PPU 174gr FMJ first. Grouping not that great. Shot 10 shot groups....a pattern is apparent but not exactly a "group" as I understand it....still "minute-of-man". Of course it may have just been me





Next ammo to test was the Hornady "Vintage Match". I have heard good things about this ammo in these old milsurps so I was eager to give it a go. Here is my 10 shot group, with all shots accounted for:






I am very happy with this grouping. I am not the greatest shot with iron sights so this grouping told me that at least the gun is fairly consistent with the right ammo. I intend to shoot an "as issued" vintage match at some point so the very fact that I can keep it on paper gives me hope. At least I won't be completely embarrassed were I to compete.

I decided right then to call it a day.....first because it started to rain. Second, because my shoulder hurt like hell. This rifle is not for the knock-kneed or faint-of-heart. It will push back for sure.

Any day at the range is a GOOD day, in my book.
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Old 09-21-2013, 4:41 PM
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Thanks for the well-written range report and hey - that's one good lookin' Jungle Carbine!

You brought back some good memories as the #5 is one of the first high power rifles I cut my teeth on. My neighbor had one in his closet that he bought from Traders in San Leandro CA in the 60's for $50, and he loaned it to me for a few weeks since he never shot it - all I had to do was buy the ammo and clean it before returning it.

Took it to Chabot Gun Club, and had a majorly bruised shoulder after shooting it from the bench - but I loved it

For some real fun, shoot her at dusk and have someone take pics - the fireball is impressive

I'm always on the lookout for one, it's on my bucket list.
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Old 09-21-2013, 5:05 PM
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Great range report! A No. 5 carbine is something I'm still looking to add to my collection one of these days.
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Nice Looking rifle & good report!
Does the front sight adjust, with a weird screw? Looks like it could be tweaked a little to the left.(to move your hits to the right)

Looking forward to the report on the other 2 boxes of ammo.
Get a shoulder pad! Makes it a lot more enjoyable.
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Nice Looking rifle & good report!
Does the front sight adjust, with a weird screw? Looks like it could be tweaked a little to the left.(to move your hits to the right)

Looking forward to the report on the other 2 boxes of ammo.
Get a shoulder pad! Makes it a lot more enjoyable.
The front sight is drift adjustable, no screw. The wind may have pushed it as well, it was a bit brisk out this morning and picked up as I prepared to shoot that Hornady group. May have been me as well, I find it hard to get a good cheek weld with the benches and stools at Sac Valley ( though that is a fantastic range othewise).
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I just shot mine at a BBQ & shoot.

I suffered the Wandering Zero!!!
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I just shot mine at a BBQ & shoot.

I suffered the Wandering Zero!!!
Try some different ammo. There was a huge difference in felt recoil between the 174gr PPU and the 174gr Hornady so I am thinking that there is a major recipe difference between loads.

I was worried about the wandering zero as well.....
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shooting these from a bench I stay up on my elbows instead of getting down because they kick the crap out of you. flinching may result in wandering zero/group spread. I know it does for me
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Try some different ammo. There was a huge difference in felt recoil between the 174gr PPU and the 174gr Hornady so I am thinking that there is a major recipe difference between loads.

I was worried about the wandering zero as well.....
It wasn't the ammo. It was really my eyesight.

My buddy took it and shot well at 200.
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My wandering zero on these was always down to "wandering flinch."
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My wandering zero on these was always down to "wandering flinch."
Haha yes I found myself flinching pretty bad as well. Good to know I'm not alone.
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My wandering zero on these was always down to "wandering flinch."
I just could't line up the ring. Kep getting ghost-ring, which is what I am guessing the British referred as the "wandering zero".


My flinch gun is my Sharps. Once the set-trigger is engaged, the primary is the lightest, most sensitive thing in the world.

Had a big Samoan friend of mine try it and he dropped it when it went off since he wasn't ready for it.
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I just could't line up the ring. Kep getting ghost-ring, which is what I am guessing the British referred as the "wandering zero".


My flinch gun is my Sharps. Once the set-trigger is engaged, the primary is the lightest, most sensitive thing in the world.

Had a big Samoan friend of mine try it and he dropped it when it went off since he wasn't ready for it.


I need to go shooting with you. I was at slosa today trying my new sks.
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That's a sweet looking Enfield
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If you can get ahold of an early 1960's Sears Roebuck catalog, They were selling the jungle Carbines at that time for a good price. I do collect some old dept. store catalogs and will look to see if I have Sears with the Carbine being sold. My local Sears store as I remember was selling them at their location. Just remembered. I may be wrong but it may have been Monkey(Montgomery) Wards.
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Too bad nobody is making non boat tail ammo. Would tighten up groups especially on more worn barrels. Nice no5. Does it have the genuine fluted barrel nox?
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If you can get ahold of an early 1960's Sears Roebuck catalog, They were selling the jungle Carbines at that time for a good price. I do collect some old dept. store catalogs and will look to see if I have Sears with the Carbine being sold. My local Sears store as I remember was selling them at their location. Just remembered. I may be wrong but it may have been Monkey(Montgomery) Wards.
I remember seeing them for sale. I wanted one so badly but being all of 12 years old and my Dad didn't want me to have one so I had to wait until I was 20 to get one.



Thirty nine years later I still have it!
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Too bad nobody is making non boat tail ammo. Would tighten up groups especially on more worn barrels. Nice no5. Does it have the genuine fluted barrel nox?
The lightening cuts?? Yes it does. Cant get more genuine than this
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Here's mine from the last batch. Haven't shot it or even wiped it down. This is straight out of the box.


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Here's mine from the last batch. Haven't shot it or even wiped it down. This is straight out of the box.


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Nice looking Jungle Carbines guys.

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Use a shoulder pad. If you're friends make fun of you tell THEM to shoot the thing!
This weekend at the range a guy a couple of lanes over was nice enough to lend me his Past magnum shoulder pad. What a difference it made, shooting my K31 wasn't bad at all - felt like shooting reduced loads. I'm ordering one for me and my wife. http://www.grafs.com/retail/catalog/.../productId/755
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