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Old 01-15-2008, 7:04 PM
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Default "PEDERSON DEVICE"...HOW MUCH?

WOULD ANYONE HERE KNOW THE APPROXIMATE PRICE OF A PRISTINE CONDITION PEDERSON DEVICE? INTRESTED AFTER READING A FEW THREADS ABOUT THIS PRETTY COOL DEVICE. CANT REALLY GET A GOOD ANSWER AFTER SEARCHING IT ON GOOGLE. THANKS...
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Hold on to your britches.... try $40K yup.. $40K That includes the devise as well as a few mags and maybe a box or 2 of ammo....
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OMG!!! DAMN!!! I WISH GRANDPA WOULDA BROUGHT ONE BACK WITH HIM FROM EUROPE. I KNEW THESE DEVICES WERE RARE BUT 40,000 BUCKS? I WONDER IF YOU COULD GET MORE IF YOU WENT TO ONE OF THOSE PRIVATE AUCTIONS DOWN IN BEVERLY HILLS OR SOMETHING? DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I COULD SEE ONE IN PERSON? MUSEUM OR GUN SHOW?

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SHOUTING LIKE THAT, coupled with your low post count and ... interesting ... question, could lead to your being thought of as a government troll ....
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Are you sure you aren't referring to the auto pistol that succeeded our great 1911? US automatic pistol, .30 cal, model of 1918
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I WONDER IF YOU COULD GET MORE IF YOU WENT TO ONE OF THOSE PRIVATE AUCTIONS DOWN IN BEVERLY HILLS OR SOMETHING? DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I COULD SEE ONE IN PERSON? MUSEUM OR SOMETHING...

The Stern auction coming up in March has one, http://juliaauctions.net/auctions/23...highlights.asp
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Are you sure you aren't referring to the auto pistol that succeeded our great 1911? US automatic pistol, .30 cal, model of 1918
It was quite some "pistol"...
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some wikis are better than others

http://www.tfrwiki.com/wiki/index.php/Pedersen_device
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A solitary Pedersen device sold at auction in 2004 for over $17,000.
http://julia.hanovercomputer.com/fir.../daythreeb.htm

Another Pedersen device with an attached M1903 Mark I sold for over $50,000 at a private auction in 2006.
http://julia.hanovercomputer.com/fir...og/dayonea.htm
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The Stern auction coming up in March has one, http://juliaauctions.net/auctions/23...highlights.asp
Holy Moly....!

I just realized that a BAR doesn't have a PG!!!

(my credit card is screaming in terror!)
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I just realized that a BAR doesn't have a PG!!!

(my credit card is screaming in terror!)
I hope that you are talking about buying a semi-auto BAR, not the one in the auction. Because the auction one is full-auto.
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I hope that you are talking about buying a semi-auto BAR, not the one in the auction. Because the auction one is full-auto.
Thanks.

You think I would worry about violating CA's AW ban if I could legally own Class III here?
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Didn't think that that was the case, just wanted to make sure.
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SORRY! NOT A FED, BUT I WONDER WHY SUCH LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AS YOURSELVES WOULD WORRY ABOUT FED'S ANYWAY? HMMM...BEING THAT I'VE HAD MY CAHONES VERBALLY KICKED AROUND HERE A FEW TIMES FOR A COUPLE OF MY"TO HELL WITH THE LAWS" SPEECHES, I WOULD THINK I'DE HAVE A BAD RAP. BUT HEY, HUGS AND KISSES ALL AROUND FELLOW CALGUNNERS
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SORRY! NOT A FED, BUT I WONDER WHY SUCH LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AS YOURSELVES WOULD WORRY ABOUT FED'S ANYWAY? HMMM...BEING THAT I'VE HAD MY CAHONES VERBALLY KICKED AROUND HERE A FEW TIMES FOR A COUPLE OF MY"TO HELL WITH THE LAWS" SPEECHES, I WOULD THINK I'DE HAVE A BAD RAP. BUT HEY, HUGS AND KISSES ALL AROUND FELLOW CALGUNNERS
What is so difficult about turning off caps lock?
Continuing to SHOUT is not civil, it is considered intentionally disrespectful.
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What is so difficult about turning off caps lock?
Continuing to SHOUT is not civil, it is considered intentionally disrespectful.
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Turning off the Cap Locks may give you more responses TO THIS THREAD!
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I don't think that a Pederson Device allows full auto fire. If it did, you would be rising the wrath of ATF, and they are much worse than BOF. They'll burn your house down, then prosecute you.

Assuming the Pederson Device allows only semi-auto fire, installation in a 1903 wouldn't make the rifle an AW unless you did something strange like added a flash hider, forward pistol grip or another banned feature.

Regarding the "Gov't Agent" thing...there have been sightings. We have a Zapruder film.

Now, please turn the CAPS LOCK off.
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wow! seriously, I had no clue that caps lock is regarded as shouting. i really am sorry. that totally explains everything. its a bad habit that ive been tryin to kick. sorry calgunners...no offense intended. sincerely
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That's much better. Now you know and "knowing is half the battle.
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I wouldn't worry about getting one anyway, that wiki said they take 40-round magazines... which would be illegal to buy/manufacture/import/borrow etc in CA. In short, unless you already own (since 2000) a magazine for it, you won't be able to shoot it anyway.
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I recall Bruce Canfield stated in his book on the 1903 that most of the Pedersen devices were destroyed after the Army decided they weren't worth the trouble.
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I saw one at the Reno show in 2006.
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Yep, they tossed them in a bonfire.

it was a shame really, it was quite a good idea.

I think it would be a simple matter to make a similar device for use in surplus rifles that took .32acp...

but it would be tricky to get BATFE approval on it.
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that really is a wonderful concept. you could have a long range rifle and close qaurters gun in the same package. makes alot of sense for a soldier to have the option too customize his rifle on the battlefield according to his environment. are their any concepts like this being produced now? I know ive seen kits to turn a 1911 into a carbine rifle.
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Most were destroyed, with none of them ever seeing combat. A copy of one was discovered in Japan after WWII and the French used the Pedersen cartridge in one of their sub machine guns (can't recall which one)
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OMG!!! DAMN!!! I WISH GRANDPA WOULDA BROUGHT ONE BACK WITH HIM FROM EUROPE. I KNEW THESE DEVICES WERE RARE BUT 40,000 BUCKS? I WONDER IF YOU COULD GET MORE IF YOU WENT TO ONE OF THOSE PRIVATE AUCTIONS DOWN IN BEVERLY HILLS OR SOMETHING? DOES ANYONE KNOW WHERE I COULD SEE ONE IN PERSON? MUSEUM OR GUN SHOW?

There never were any in Europe since they were never issued to any units. After the war, all the Pedersen devises were ordered destroyed. That's one reason they are so rare, especially ones in good condition. There are several around that were salvaged from the bonfires that were used to "destroy" them.

I have seen a couple of them on display at the Big Reno Shows when the Garand Collectors Association convention was being held there at the same time.
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At the price they sell for you might as well get a license to make guns and build your own.
Heck I'd buy a reproduction Pendersen (at least as long as it fired .30 carbine, since it's way easier to find). I'd pay good money for it too.

Here's an idea.
Why doesn't someone go out there and make a reproduction pendersen in .30 carbine?
Or even if they couldn't accommodate the carbine bullet, so long as they started making the weak-*** pendersen round available it would sell a few.
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Yep, they tossed them in a bonfire.

it was a shame really, it was quite a good idea.

I think it would be a simple matter to make a similar device for use in surplus rifles that took .32acp...

but it would be tricky to get BATFE approval on it.
Not really, just tell them that you make a rifle receiver.
That's really all it is.
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You know you could probably build a Pederson Device from the ground up. It is a simple concept. Any basic gunsmith could build one. Last I saw, a Pederson Device was sold for 60,250 USD. You could also build a Pederson Device for say a M24. Instead carrying a bulky Sabre, you could theoretically modify an m24 to shoot 7.62 Mk43 ammunition and take AK Mags as well.
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SORRY! NOT A FED, BUT I WONDER WHY SUCH LAW ABIDING CITIZENS AS YOURSELVES WOULD WORRY ABOUT FED'S ANYWAY? HMMM...BEING THAT I'VE HAD MY CAHONES VERBALLY KICKED AROUND HERE A FEW TIMES FOR A COUPLE OF MY"TO HELL WITH THE LAWS" SPEECHES, I WOULD THINK I'DE HAVE A BAD RAP. BUT HEY, HUGS AND KISSES ALL AROUND FELLOW CALGUNNERS
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wow! seriously, I had no clue that caps lock is regarded as shouting. i really am sorry. that totally explains everything. its a bad habit that ive been tryin to kick. sorry calgunners...no offense intended. sincerely
It's still okay to use capitalization properly, like at the start of sentences.
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I'd rather see someone type completely in lower-case, with no capitalization at all, then to have them type in upper-case only.

But once again, his posts were from more than a year ago, and his more recent posts appear to have better grammar.
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There were actually at least one of the Pedersen devices sent to Europe to demonstrate the concept the US military commanders (Pershing, if my memory serves me.) The biggest problem with issuing the device to the troops was what they had to go through and when. The idea was that when they made their initial charger from the trenches, they would use the standard '03 Mk1 bolt and the .30-06 cartridge. Once they got close to the enemy trenches, they would remove the standard bolt and replace it with the Pedersen device. They would then put the standard bolt back in the pouch on their belt, load up a magazine of .30 Pedersen (not .30 Carbine which did not exist until WWII) and have a semi-automatic rifle to spray down the Hun in the trenches.
I suspect that a lot of standard '03 bolts and / or a lot of Pedersen devices would be lost while trying to make the switch while under heavy fire.
The occupying forces in Germany after WWII found drawings of the Pedersen device in the German archives.
It was a very interesting device and I would be interested in a faithful reproduction to go with my '03 Mk 1 Springfield (the Mk 1 was different than a standard '03 in that it had a slot cut in the side of the receiver for the Pedersen device to eject spent cartridges.)
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Oh, one more thought. There were about 120,000 of the Mk 1 '03s built. Many or most of these were the low serial number rifles that were supposed to have not been heat treated properly and were supposed to blow up if used. There were actually very few documented cases of the low serial number '03s having issues with the receiver, but that is an entirely new thread in itself.
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ill take that japanese type 5 garand, the other two ill pass on.
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If you think the pedersons for the 03 are expensive, the few made for the 1917 and mosin-nagant must be priceless!
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Here is a very good article on the Pedersen Device written by Dick Culver:

The Pipsqueak Pistol That Never Was
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