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Old 09-17-2013, 5:18 PM
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I know, stupid question.

But humor this girl and answer.
I would ask "school me", but I chastised the use of the term. In fact, I chidingly said that the poster should Google.

In fact, I have an excuse. I am hugely lazy about Google'ing today.
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So, here is my request....

1. Best shipping method for ammunition.
2. Best packaging method for said ammunition.
3. Flame the OP.
4. Answer the poll.

Forgot to add...the ammunition is C&R type ammo. That's why I am posting in C&R. Don't know if old ammunition needs special precautions.
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In this day and age, got Google?
Buy a book?
Read some threads?
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You can't "mail" it. It has to be shipped by UPS or FedX ground and marked with a OMD sticker. Double box it the heavier the package it seems they try harder to destroy it.
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Never shipped ammo, but when I bought some it usually comes by UPS, sometimes Fedex.

Unless things changed, USPS doesn't allow ammo to be shipped at all and UPS ground should be the cheapest. Unless people have business accounts with Fedex/UPS, than prices change.
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Can't ship ammo via USPS since they classify it as an "explosive" , but you can ship it via UPS or FedEx with the appropriate ORM-D sticker. I've heard of people just drawing an ORM-D symbol on the box too and that seems to have worked.

Barring that, cut out/save ORM-D stickers from ammo shipments and use them for your own use when you ship out ammo later!
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Just inherited a bunch of ammo calibers for which I have no use. Soon to be in the Ammo section and appreciate advice as well.

"Read some threads." You mean like this one?
Any reloadable 8x57 brass in that lot?
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Can't ship ammo via USPS since they classify it as an "explosive" , but you can ship it via UPS or FedEx with the appropriate ORM-D sticker. I've heard of people just drawing an ORM-D symbol on the box too and that seems to have worked.

Barring that, cut out/save ORM-D stickers from ammo shipments and use them for your own use when you ship out ammo later!
As far as I know it doesn't have to be a sticker. You can just write ORM-D with a marker on the box.

This is according to a UPS employee
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UPS or FedEx are the only two real options. To comply with their tariffs you have to mark/label the box

Cartridges, Small Arms (ORM-D) ORM-D/Cartridges, Small Arms NOTE:ORM-D has to be "boxed"

The last time I tried shipping it via UPS, the counter monkeys gave me a lot of crap and did not know their own tariffs. Luckily I had a printed copy and 20 minutes to waste teaching them their own regulations.

Next time, I've been told by UPS support to tell the counter help to call this number with any questions/concerns:

UPS Hazardous Materials Support Center 1-800-554-9964

Print this label and use it, or hand draw it on the package:

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Do a google search for ORM D Label do a print of a couple, tape to box, I use UPS but you have to go to a customer service center, the UPS stores don't do it.
BTW no extra charge for shipping ammo.
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How about a handgun back to the manufacturer for repair?
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You can ship firearm for repair and have it shipped back to you.
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As mentioned, ammo or primed brass must be shipped via common carrier like UPS or FedEx. Their storefront operations won't usually accept the packages either and you'll have to drop them off at a customer service center instead.

The ammo should be in it's original boxes and packed so it won't rattle around.

The shipping carton should be marked with the old ORD-D label or the new version that's just a 2" B&W diamond.... as pictured here:


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Any reloadable 8x57 brass in that lot?
I've got some... 7x57 too... how many are you looking for?
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You can ship firearm for repair and have it shipped back to you.
USPS, FedEx or UPS?

I gotta get a Baretta repaired. Sadly, it will need a new receiver.
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USPS, FedEx or UPS?

I gotta get a Baretta repaired. Sadly, it will need a new receiver.
Unless you're an FFL, your only choices are UPS or FedEx...

If the repair is under warranty... you might ask Baretta if they'll send you a shipping tag.
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USPS, FedEx or UPS?

I gotta get a Baretta repaired. Sadly, it will need a new receiver.
If they give you a new reciever with new serial numbers you'll have to go through an FFL and DROS it Berretta should cover costs through as Ruger did, I just went through this with Ruger. Also remember you cannot ship ammo in the same container as a firearm.
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re: packing - I've found it's very helpful to use a ton of that strapping tape that's reinforced with the threads. Not just on the seams, wrap it around the whole package 1-2 places in each direction. That way even if they poke a hole in it (which happens suspiciously often) at least it can't spread too far.
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I know, stupid question.

But humor this girl and answer.
I would ask "school me", but I chastised the use of the term. In fact, I chidingly said that the poster should Google.

In fact, I have an excuse. I am hugely lazy about Google'ing today.
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1. Best shipping method for ammunition.


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As mentioned, ammo or primed brass must be shipped via common carrier like UPS or FedEx. Their storefront operations won't usually accept the packages either and you'll have to drop them off at a customer service center instead.

The ammo should be in it's original boxes and packed so it won't rattle around.

The shipping carton should be marked with the old ORD-D label or the new version that's just a 2" B&W diamond.... as pictured here:

What about the reverse? I had my CMP ammo shipped to a local Fedex Kinkos a few times before getting stung (the third time they sent it back to CMP without telling me!! CMP was super nice about it FYI).

Will UPS retail stores also refuse delivery in everyone one's opinion?
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My advice is, call the UPS location ahead of time and get confirmation from a manager that they will ship it for you.

If you just show up at a UPS store with your ammo, the clerks will probably freak out and run away from you. That's what happened to me
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Seriously just because you're a girl you think we'll drop everything to help you? Learn to use the interwebs newb. UPS ships ammo all day long no problems. Just take it to UPS, scribble ORMD on it and if they ask you any questions tell them to STFU and waive a Gadsden flag, that's what I do, works every time.

Eh, I'm not real good at this flaming thing.

Anyway, last time I shipped ammo I threw it in a box, printed 5 ORMD labels and took it to the UPS hub. The person there chastised me for using duct tape and covered all of my duct tape in packing tape (duct tape gums the works apparently). He then asked me what I was shipping, I told him ammo, and he covered all of my self printed ORM-D labels with some ORM-D small arms cartridges labels he had at his workstation (after making sure I wasn't shipping 50 BMG). I had enough packing material in the box that nothing rattled when shook. The ammo itself was in a baggie.

I received a package via UPS similarly labed but in slightly less awesome shape with a bunch of loose ammo in a bag.

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1) Use packing tape not duct tape
2) box up your ammo and use up the loose space in the packaging
3) affix ORM-D labels, maybe they change them maybe they don't. You have to affix labels to 4 or so sides I think? I'm not sure.
4) Ship from a UPS hub, not a UPS store

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I know, stupid question.

But humor this girl and answer.
I would ask "school me", but I chastised the use of the term. In fact, I chidingly said that the poster should Google.

In fact, I have an excuse. I am hugely lazy about Google'ing today.
Additionally, I really want to interact with my Calguns compadres and get flamed a little bit in the process.

I want to put on the and the .

So, here is my request....

1. Best shipping method for ammunition.
2. Best packaging method for said ammunition.
3. Flame the OP.
4. Answer the poll.

Forgot to add...the ammunition is C&R type ammo. That's why I am posting in C&R. Don't know if old ammunition needs special precautions.
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Informative thread.

Good knowledge from the members.

Ill be shipping some ammo to my nephew in Texas now that I know its no big deal.

Thanks OP
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.....

Anyway, last time I shipped ammo I threw it in a box, printed 5 ORMD labels and took it to the UPS hub. The person there chastised me for using duct tape and covered all of my duct tape in packing tape (duct tape gums the works apparently). He then asked me what I was shipping, I told him ammo, and he covered all of my self printed ORM-D labels with some ORM-D small arms cartridges labels he had at his workstation (after making sure I wasn't shipping 50 BMG). I had enough packing material in the box that nothing rattled when shook. The ammo itself was in a baggie.

......
The .50 cal stuff is only applicable to the cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles so far as I know... They have their own local ordinances against such calibers that don't apply in the rest of the state (for now...)
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The .50 cal stuff is only applicable to the cities of San Francisco and Los Angeles so far as I know... They have their own local ordinances against such calibers that don't apply in the rest of the state (for now...)
I was in San Jose, so apparently there as well, or the dude didn't know what he was talking about.
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You are supposed to ship ammunition one piece at a time to anybody who makes your $h*t list.
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I only receive ammo.

I wouldn't ship it, EVER.
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As mentioned, ammo or primed brass must be shipped via common carrier like UPS or FedEx. Their storefront operations won't usually accept the packages either and you'll have to drop them off at a customer service center instead.

The ammo should be in it's original boxes and packed so it won't rattle around.

The shipping carton should be marked with the old ORD-D label or the new version that's just a 2" B&W diamond.... as pictured here:

Primed brass is not regulated for domestic ground shipment and does not have to be marked in any way. However, it is not mailable.
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I put in box, I mail box. I not declare contents
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I put in box, I mail box. I not declare contents I get caught and pay $75,000 fine to the FAA.
Fixed it for you.
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Fixed it for you.
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From UPS Policy:

Small arms ammunition, as defined in 49 C.F.R. § 173.59, will be transported only when packaged and labeled in compliance with 49 C.F.R. § 172 regarding hazardous materials shipments.

(small arms cartridges are not hazmat when these instructions are followed)

49 CFR 173.59:

(this below is the correct designation for small arms ammunition as it pertains to the subject at hand)

Cartridges, small arms. Ammunition consisting of a cartridge case fitted with a center or rim fire primer and containing both a propelling charge and solid projectile(s). They are designed to be fired in weapons of caliber not larger than 19.1 mm. Shotgun cartridges of any caliber are included in this description. The term excludes: Cartridges, small arms, blank, and some military small arms cartridges listed under Cartridges for weapons, inert projectile.
~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~ ~~~~~~~

TITLE 49--TRANSPORTATION

CHAPTER I--RESEARCH AND SPECIAL PROGRAMS ADMINISTRATION, DEPARTMENT OF
TRANSPORTATION

PART 173_SHIPPERS_GENERAL REQUIREMENTS FOR SHIPMENTS AND PACKAGINGS--Table of Contents

Subpart D_Definitions Classification, Packing Group Assignments and
Exceptions for Hazardous Materials Other Than Class 1 and Class 7

Sec. 173.144 Other Regulated Materials (ORM)--Definitions.

For the purpose of this subchapter, ``ORM-D material'' means a
material such as a consumer commodity, which, although otherwise subject
to the regulations of this subchapter, presents a limited hazard during
transportation due to its form, quantity and packaging. It must be a
material for which exceptions are provided in the Sec. 172.101 table.
Each ORM-D material and category of ORM-D material is listed in the
Sec. 172.101 table.

~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~

49 CFR 172.101 list of ORM-D:

http://edocket.access.gpo.gov/cfr_20...cfr172.101.htm

(page 145 D) cartridges, small arms

packaging requirement : ORM-D

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49 CFR 172
(c) The marking ORM-D is the certification by the person offering
the packaging for transportation that the material is properly
described, classed, packaged, marked and labeled (when appropriate) and
in proper condition for transportation according to the applicable
regulations of this subchapter. This form of certification does not
preclude the requirement for a certificate on a shipping paper when
required by subpart C of this part.

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What about the reverse? I had my CMP ammo shipped to a local Fedex Kinkos a few times before getting stung (the third time they sent it back to CMP without telling me!! CMP was super nice about it FYI).

Will UPS retail stores also refuse delivery in everyone one's opinion?
I guess I answered my own question. I shipped some linseed oil from garand gear to my local UPS store and it had a ORM D tag....
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I guess I answered my own question. I shipped some linseed oil from garand gear to my local UPS store and it had a ORM D tag....
Linseed oil would have the "ORM-CONSUMER COMMODITY" label not the "ORM-D CARTRIDGES, SMALL ARMS" label, so it might not get as much scrutiny from the employees of that "The UPS Store".
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Also: hard limit of 60 (or is it 70?) pounds including all packing materials. Found that out the difficult way -- had to go home and re-package into two boxes.
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Also: hard limit of 60 (or is it 70?) pounds including all packing materials. Found that out the difficult way -- had to go home and re-package into two boxes.
66 pounds (30kg). Any more than that and you loose ORM-D status and revert to HazMat, division 1.4S "explosive".
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Old 09-20-2013, 1:17 AM
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I have a question and this seems like a good place to ask. Since I can't ship to LA city...could I have ammo shipped to Pico Rivera? Would some vendors still reject that?

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