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Old 01-13-2008, 7:26 PM
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some speculation on the next sheriff of San Diego..

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That would be outstanding. When LaSuer was on the La Mesa city coucil, he pushed for shall issue on CCWs. He couldn't get enough votes, but the council chamber was packed with people on both sides of the issue. This would be the fastest way to get things turned back in the right direction down here.
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Awesome.

Jay if you are reading Calguns, we want you to be the next SD County Sheriff!
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Oh man, great news for SD.. I hope this guy wins..
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I'd vote for him.

And not just because of this...

http://ilovelasuer.blogspot.com/2006...ay-lasuer.html
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Time to make some calls. I know some people down there that may be able to help pull some strings. Problem is there is a lot of money flowing around down there, but seeing how many Calgunners live in SD county, we need to work to turn that mess down there around.
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Jay LaSuer is a cool guy. Remember that AW repeal thing? That was him.
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Jay's one of the good guys. This would be a step in the right direction.
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Jay LaSuer is a cool guy. Remember that AW repeal thing? That was him.
Jay is.

But if you're talking about the prior AB2218 of a few years ago, that was a screwed up bill drafted by GOC under LaSeur's name - poorly drafted. (Don't blame Jay).

It woulda loosened a couple of AW things but woulda created constructive possession. We'd not necessarily have OLLs now.

People gotta THINK before they draft complex laws (and I mean GOC).
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http://www.sheriffjay.org/

It's time to walk the talk....

Jay is in this to win, but he needs $$ and volunteers. He is pro-Constitution, pro-2nd Amendment, and supports a shall-issue CCW policy...

NOW is the time to donate.

NOW is the time to get friends and family educated.

NOW is the time to get signed up to work on the campaign.

NOW, not "later"...not maybe...NOW.

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Heck yeah. And he shares my first name so definitely donating.
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I met the man at the last LGR&GC board meeting. Strong personality, this guy is no pushover. He strikes me as old school tough. Highly pro 2nd. At least that was my initial impression.
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Does he have anyone running against him yet and if so, of any consequence.

Someone mentioned Kolender is the Sheriff now. I can't believe he is still around. When I tested for the PD in 1974, he had just been made the acting Chief due to a scandal. They had so many problems that no one was hired off the list and I was number 11 out of 700. Really disappointed as I wanted to live there. I noted on a site about him that he was just re-elected in 07 and his term doesn't expire until 2011. So, why is Lasuer running now. Is Kolender resigning. Or is Lasuer just starting early.
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Does he have anyone running against him yet and if so, of any consequence.

....I noted on a site about him that he was just re-elected in 07 and his term doesn't expire until 2011. So, why is Lasuer running now. Is Kolender resigning. Or is Lasuer just starting early.
(Retired - this is not aimed at you, I'm using your post as a jumping off point...)

Kolender may run again, but I doubt it as his health is gone.

William Gore, current Undersheriff, and ex-FBI, is the heir apparent (and will undoubtedly be backed by the Establishment and Onion-Tribune).

Jim Duffy, the son of Sheriff John Duffy, is running....he feels entitled to it, apparently..

It's going to be a catfight, and Jay is starting now to raise a war chest.

In 2006, Kolender won with 70% of the vote, and all the Establishment, papers and TV stations in his corner.

In my (uninformed) estimate, Jay needs $1 million to fight the establishment bias.

So - what's a pro-Constitution Sheriff worth to San Diego County and SoCal? (Imagine a clean Sheriff in SD going Shall-issue...)

One box of ammo per month donation? (without exceeding campaign donation laws, of course)

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Kolender won't be running. Word from the inside is that his Alzheimers is getting worse and that he doesn't make many functions any more and Undersheriff Gore is running things. The concern is that they are trying to last long enough so that when Kolender steps down, Gore can be appointed without a call for a special election. So far, Duffy has filed campaign papers as well as LaSuer.

LaSuer is very pro-CCW. When he was on the La Mesa City Council (they have their own police and don't use the SDSO) he pushed for and almost got approved a Shall Issue ordinance for the city. He would be great for the County.
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Let your voices be heard!
http://www.redcounty.com/sandiego/20...sheriffs-seat/
And get ready to hit the UTs website (sosd.com) when the articles start flowing in. There is much that can be done in addition to contributing a few latte's worth of $$. (I refuse to spend my ammo money on anything but ammo) :-)

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Need to talk to Jay at the next Del Mar show. I'm hoping by "shall-issue" he means he'll accept "Self-defense" or "For All Lawful Purposes" as good cause. Plus no psych evals, letters from neighbors/employers or any of that kind of nonsense. No problem with reasonable training and testing requirements.

On another note, I assume the city of San Diego contracts with SDSO to handle CCW. If Jay wins, could the City then decide to handle CCW "in-house" thereby preventing Jay from issuing to city residents?
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All cities in San Diego County have turned the CCW duties over to the Sheriff's Department. But that wouldn't prevent them from changing that situation. The only cities that would be stuck with the Sheriff's policies are the ones that don't have their own PDs and contract with SDSO.
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All cities in San Diego County have turned the CCW duties over to the Sheriff's Department. But that wouldn't prevent them from changing that situation. The only cities that would be stuck with the Sheriff's policies are the ones that don't have their own PDs and contract with SDSO.
That is not entirely true; many have not declared 'G'.

Including the San Diego PD, unless something changed in the last year.

They will have you believe they don't issue, but some do and there is some work that needs to be done with respect to that. (another thread, another time)
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....I'm hoping by "shall-issue" he means he'll accept "Self-defense" or "For All Lawful Purposes" as good cause....
He means: as close to the other 40 shall-issue states' policies as possible. I'm certain that means, if you can legally buy a handgun, you can have a CCW.

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...On another note, I assume the city of San Diego contracts with SDSO to handle CCW....
No. Sheriffs and police chiefs are authorized by PC 12050 to issue CCWs. Chiefs can opt out per the PC (Sheriffs can't). A San Diego Chief signed a Memorandum of Understanding that SDPD would not issue CCWs.

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...If Jay wins, could the City then decide to handle CCW "in-house" thereby preventing Jay from issuing to city residents?
No. A Sheriff can not legally be told by a Chief, not to issue CCWs to "his" serfs...
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Can't be told by a chief, no, but apparently they are suggested not to by city councils, mayors, county supervisors, and other sheriffs.
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He would be an excellent choice for SD, and would bring SD's CCW issuance in line with the other CCW-friendly counties.

And that would mean that #2 and #3 largest counties in this state would be issuing.
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Why the hell isn't this guy running for Sheriff up here in Los Angeles County? I'm so pissed about Baca I could spit.
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What is the value or worth of your family's safety to you?

I heard Jay La Suer speak today in Escondido. He has started his campaign for the 2010 Sheriff's race "early", in large part because of the difficult campaign fund-raising laws. The following are my opinions and understandings (which I have validated)...

Those fund-raising laws are:

1. maximum $500 contribution per person per race (total for race), and

2. No corporate donations - individuals only.

So (these are my conclusions)...

...his race CANNOT and WILL NOT be funded by a relatively few wealthy individuals or corporations. The funds to run this race must come from the grassroots (ie, US).

HOWEVER - he needs money to overcome the FREE campaign advertising that his opponent will get from the U-T, TV stations, etc. under the rubric of "reporting the news".

He will need money to mail information (early, before mail-in ballots) to counteract the efforts of the downtown political crowd (Dumanis et al) - who may well create well-funded "independent expenditure" campaign organizations...

Going with MY guestimate that he needs $1 million to win, that is 2000 individuals kicking in $500 ea....

(Note my CONCERN that getting 20,000 individuals kicking in $50 ea to make $1 million is not a doable goal for gun rights activists, because I'm dubious that we can motivate that many to contribute...and gun owners are probably the most motivated citizens in this race. My GUESS is that the funds to run this race come from US. Hence, $500 ea MUST be our goal)

San Diego County residents who want a Sheriff who will give them a fair shot at a CCW, understands OLLs, and be tough on crime, need to support Jay La Suer WITH THEIR MONEY FIRST and vote (SECOND).

As one example, $50 per month will max you out in 10 months. (and remember, more than one member of a family CAN contribute).

So again I ask - What is your family's safety worth to you?

What do you think your family's safety is worth to Sheriff Kolender's hand-picked successor?

-Me-

PS: a race can be lost by ONE vote, but it's IMPOSSIBLE to WIN by too large a margin!

PSS: wouldn't it be great to look back in 2010 and celebrate a great grass-roots gunowner effort that made victory in the Sheriff's race possible?

PSS: if you can only truely afford $20, that's great!....but "we" must shoot for as many citizens as possible maxing out....

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...Undersheriff Gore is running things....
And the Sheriff's Dept is denying reapproval of expiring CCWs to quite a few folks.

What's that tell you?
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He could definitely benefit from an "Independent Expenditures" committee ("IE") OR 2 (after those folks have maxed out to the campaign)...

You can bet the other side(s) will have IEs...such as the Deputy Sheriff's Association....

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BTW - see my post above. Donations to the campaign can only be made by individuals...hence my bringing up IEs in response to your post....

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As Far as CCW is concerned, this guy is good to go. I emailed him today to get his stance.
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I am writing in regards to your Concealed Carry Policy. Currently, it is almost impossible to get a permit in San Diego, and I feel this is outrageous.
If you were Sheriff, would you accept, "For all lawful purposes" as Good Cause? This is, of course, provided the applicant was legally able to purchase a handgun.
Your answer will determine my vote.
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Some elected officials forget that when they were sworn in to office they took an oath to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States.The last time I read the U.S. Constitution it still contained the Bill of Rights, including the 2nd Amendment. Currently over 40 states have "Shall Issue" laws pertaining to CCW permits. Some people are not eligible for CCW permits. Those not eligible include felons, persons with severe mental or psychological problems, persons convicted of crimes of violence, non-citizens, minors and a few others. The only criteria required, besides being a law abiding citizen is a thorough knowledge of the laws pertaining to the use of lethal force and competency with their firearm. The decision rests solely on these criteria, not on the whim of some bureaucrat. I believe we should glean as much knowledge as possible from the states with "Shall Issue" laws and follow suit.

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That is fantastic! How soon can we start helping out?
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That is fantastic! How soon can we start helping out?
Right now.

Go to http://www.sheriffjay.com/ to donate and volunteer.
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I sent Jay LaSuer an email asking about his CCW policies if he is elected sheriff. Here is the response:

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I am also a shooter and hunter. Some elected officials forget that when they were sworn in to office they swore to protect and defend the Constitution of the United States. The last time I read our Constitution the Bill of Rights was still there including the 2nd Amendment. As you are probably aware over 40 states currently have "Shall Issue" laws pertaining to CCW's. Many predicted that such laws would cause an increase in crime. It didn't, in fact in most cases crime actually dropped. There are some people who are not eligible to obtain CCW permits in these states, they are: felons, persons with severe mental illnesses or psychological problems, those persons convicted of a crime involving violence, those convicted of the manufacture, distribution and/or sales of illegal drugs, minors and a few others. Law abiding citizens who demonstrate that they are familiar with the laws pertaining to the use of lethal force and are competent with their firearm are issued the permit. This is the sole criteria. The issuance of the permit does not depend on the whim of some bureaucrat. I believe we should glean the knowledge these states have gained and follow suit.

Hopefully I have answered your question. Please let me know.

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This sounded good to me, so I sent him a contribution and told him I would work for him if there is a special sheriff election in San Diego soon.
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SOLD!! He has my vote.

Heard him on Hedgecocks show the other day, sounded like he was on the ball. Seems like one of the good guys.

I will look at throwing some campaign $ his way.
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[Note: moron reporter / paper mispelled his name...]

Speculation over Kolender's retirement fuels race

http://www.nctimes.com/articles/2008...bf005ed254.txt

Sheriff Bill Kolender still has two more years before he closes out what he has said will be his fourth and final term as San Diego County's top law enforcement officer.

But the campaign to replace him already has kicked into high gear, fueled by speculation that Kolender may retire before his term ends in 2010. The sheriff insisted he will finish his term.

The head of the deputies' union and one of the people running for the post said the scuttlebutt is that Kolender would like to handpick his successor, Undersheriff Bill Gore, by retiring early and allowing Gore to run as an incumbent in 2010.

They suggested that incumbency would give Gore an unfair edge in the election.

Thus far, three people have announced their candidacies in what is expected to be a crowded field. All are current or former employees of the Sheriff's Department.

Gore, Jim Duffy, county Supervisor Ron Roberts' chief of staff, and former state Assemblyman Jay LaSeur have formed campaign committees and are actively campaigning.

Kolender announced earlier this year that he would not seek another term.

He has endorsed Gore, his second in command, fueling speculation that Kolender would retire early, clearing the way for the Board of Supervisors to appoint a new sheriff.

"There is talk that that's a possibility," said Ernie Carrillo, president of the Deputy Sheriffs' Association of San Diego County, which represents more than 2,000 sworn officers in the department.

Carrillo said the association has not endorsed a candidate for sheriff and will not do so until next year.

The 73-year-old Kolender insisted he intends to stick around to the end of his fourth four-year term as sheriff. And he was firm about who he wanted to succeed him.

"I am retiring at the end of this term, that's been publicly noted," Kolender said. "And I am hoping that Bill Gore will take my place. I am supporting him all the way."

Early start?

Running for sheriff without an incumbent in the race is a rare opportunity in San Diego County, Duffy said. His own father, the late Sheriff John F. Duffy, served for two decades, from 1971 to 1991. Sheriffs tend to like picking their successors, Duffy said.

He said he sees a parallel between what happened in 1962 and what appears to be happening now.

Sheriff Bert Strand, who served from 1941 to 1962, left before his fifth term ended and endorsed Elmer Jansen, who was appointed interim sheriff. Jansen later lost in the 1963 election to Joseph O'Connor, who served until 1971.

"Sheriffs generally stay in office for a long period of time," Duffy said. "He (Strand) did the same thing that we suspect Kolender is doing ... he convinced the supervisors to appoint his undersheriff, Jansen, as sheriff. So that when the election came to fill that spot, he ran as the sheriff."

While incumbency and a sheriff's endorsement are assets, they obviously offer no guarantee of election, Duffy acknowledged. His own father endorsed an unsuccessful candidate to replace him, Duffy said.

The sheriff is responsible for a department with 4,000 employees and a budget of $570 million. The department's 2,300 sworn personnel patrol most of the county, including 10 cities and the unincorporated areas. It also operates the county's jails.

Both Duffy and Gore pointed to LaSeur as the one responsible for the early start. LaSeur formed a campaign committee in February.

"Jay LaSeur started it and once he started, Jim Duffy followed," Gore said.

LaSeur, who retired from the department as undersheriff in 1994, said he needed the time to garner endorsements and raise money to run.

"If you're going to get your message out, you need to have the money that's necessary," LaSeur said about the reason for starting his campaign when he did. "That's no cause for anybody else to start."

LaSeur dismissed the claim that he started his campaign late last winter because of the rumor that Kolender may retire early.

"I've heard those rumors, but rumors are like trees," he said. "They are all over the place."

Gore, a former FBI field agent in charge of the bureau's San Diego office, joined the Sheriff's Department in February 2004.

As for rumors of Kolender's early retirement, Gore said: "People have been speculating about that for years."

Contact staff writer Edward Sifuentes at (760) 740-3511 or esifuentes@nctimes.com.

Jim Duffy

Age: 46

Residence: Oceanside

Education: Vista High School graduate, associates degree from MiraCosta College and attending National University.

Employment: Chief of Staff for county Supervisor Ron Roberts; on leave of absence from the Sheriff's Department, where he is a lieutenant and has worked since 1986.

Jay LaSeur

Age: 68

Residence: La Mesa

Education: Bachelors degree in public administration from San Diego State.

Employment: Sheriff's Department in 1970. LaSeur later served as a city councilman in La Mesa from 1990 to 2000. He was elected to the state Assembly in 2000 and was termed out in 2006.

Bill Gore

Age: 61

Residence: Mission Hills

Education: Bachelors degree from University of San Diego and masters degree in public administration from Seattle University.

Employment: Undersheriff, 32 years in the FBI, including head of San Diego office.

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Maybe he'd like to have lunch and meet with some supporters.
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Maybe he'd like to have lunch and meet with some supporters.
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