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Old 01-13-2008, 12:45 PM
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Cabela's has announced that They will be opening a retaillocation in Visalia, Ca. The will occupy the building that once housed Costco and Home Base.
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Awww man I'll have to start paying sales tax on my orders if I order from them.
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Awww man I'll have to start paying sales tax on my orders.

Yeah... Bad idea on Cabela's...
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Cabela's has announced that They will be opening a retaillocation in Visalia, Ca. The will occupy the building that once housed Costco and Home Base.
What the Fudge is in Visalia??? I'm glad they are coming to Ca but I can't figure this one???
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yea, what are they going to have? A box of "CA safe" ammo and a few pictures of guns we could buy in a free state?

Or maybe there are more hunter-types in visalia area.
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Yeah... Bad idea on Cabela's...
+1, now I have to find an alternate source of clothing/fishing stuff to avoid CA's ridiculous taxes... Oh well.
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bad move on thier part, I hear they have a place in reno, just outside of CA, they should stay there, like summit racing did.
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Will they be stocking beanie babies and beef jerky?
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What the Fudge is in Visalia??? I'm glad they are coming to Ca but I can't figure this one???
Cheap realstate for lease... Plus they get to collect taxes on CA residents and in the long run make more money by collecting taxes...
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How does that work, don't the taxes go to government?
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How does that work, don't the taxes go to government?
The basic way the scam works is simple.

Lets say you buy $100 worth of stuff. The tax is $7.25. Simple math says that you pay the store $107.25

BUT wait a minute.

Lets say that some of the stuff you bought is on sale. Lets say that after the markdown the price you pay is $75.

So the store rings up the price, charges you $7.25 as tax then does the markdown. Instead of you paying $5.44 which is the tax on the $75 after the markdown you pay the full tax on the original price.

Next, when the store reports the sale they report the sale at $75 and tender the $5.44 sales tax to the state. They keep the difference of $1.81.

Now, that ain't much to keep but realize that if they do this EVERY DAY it adds up REALLY quickly. And, the best part is it's "tax free" money because it doesn't "officially" exist. At the end of the year it can be offset with inventory losses if required but it shouldn't be necessary because the sales are only $75 and the full tax on that is paid.

There are other ways too which involve "fractions" when reporting sales and taxes collected. Another version is the "free" item just pay the tax coupon. It's all a scam.
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Awww man I'll have to start paying sales tax on my orders if I order from them.
Unless they somehow separate the retail store from the mail-order division somehow. I recall hearing about a well known company that had retail stores and mail-order. If you bought via mail-order, you couldn't do a return/exchange at the retail store since they were technically two different businesses for tax reasons. By being separate businesses, the retail stores didn't give the mail-order company a presense in the many states they retailed in, just the state the mail-order company was in.
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What the Fudge is in Visalia??? I'm glad they are coming to Ca but I can't figure this one???
http://www.lemoore.navy.mil/

a lot of people I know there are associated with that place.
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Since Bass Pro shops is in Rancho Cucamunga and they are building more in Bakersfield and Lathrop/Manteca. It doesn't leave much room for Cabela's unless they go toward the coast and land's to expensive there.
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Cheap realstate for lease... Plus they get to collect taxes on CA residents and in the long run make more money by collecting taxes...
Dude...some of your posts are just incredible (at least the ones that end with )! Every single penny collected as sales tax is sent to either the State Board of Equalization (most of it) or the local City/County sales tax authority. How in God's name would the retailer make more money by collecting taxes?
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The basic way the scam works is simple.

Lets say you buy $100 worth of stuff. The tax is $7.25. Simple math says that you pay the store $107.25

BUT wait a minute.

Lets say that some of the stuff you bought is on sale. Lets say that after the markdown the price you pay is $75.

So the store rings up the price, charges you $7.25 as tax then does the markdown. Instead of you paying $5.44 which is the tax on the $75 after the markdown you pay the full tax on the original price.

Next, when the store reports the sale they report the sale at $75 and tender the $5.44 sales tax to the state. They keep the difference of $1.81.

Now, that ain't much to keep but realize that if they do this EVERY DAY it adds up REALLY quickly. And, the best part is it's "tax free" money because it doesn't "officially" exist. At the end of the year it can be offset with inventory losses if required but it shouldn't be necessary because the sales are only $75 and the full tax on that is paid.

There are other ways too which involve "fractions" when reporting sales and taxes collected. Another version is the "free" item just pay the tax coupon. It's all a scam.
And who exactly is involved in these sort of activities? With most retail operations, the accounting is pretty simple. The amount charged for the item is credited to the Taxable Sales account and the sales tax collected is charged to a Sales Tax Liability account. The two accounts are very easy to reconcile, since the sales tax collected should always equal to the pre-set percentage of the taxable sales account. When the time comes to file Sales Tax Return, the liability account is settled by issuing a payment.

I'm not saying that there is no room for wiggling, especially with cash-only businesses, but a I seriously doubt that a huge operation like Cabela's would be involved in these highly illegal shenanigans.
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The basic way the scam works is simple.

Lets say you buy $100 worth of stuff. The tax is $7.25. Simple math says that you pay the store $107.25

BUT wait a minute.

Lets say that some of the stuff you bought is on sale. Lets say that after the markdown the price you pay is $75.

So the store rings up the price, charges you $7.25 as tax then does the markdown. Instead of you paying $5.44 which is the tax on the $75 after the markdown you pay the full tax on the original price.

Next, when the store reports the sale they report the sale at $75 and tender the $5.44 sales tax to the state. They keep the difference of $1.81.

Now, that ain't much to keep but realize that if they do this EVERY DAY it adds up REALLY quickly. And, the best part is it's "tax free" money because it doesn't "officially" exist. At the end of the year it can be offset with inventory losses if required but it shouldn't be necessary because the sales are only $75 and the full tax on that is paid.

There are other ways too which involve "fractions" when reporting sales and taxes collected. Another version is the "free" item just pay the tax coupon. It's all a scam.
This only works when there are 'rebates' involved. If the item is on sale for $75, tax is collected as a percentage of $75. Now, if the store offers a $25 rebate on the $100 item, then yes, they collect sales tax as a % of $100. After issuing you the $25, they keep the extra $1.81 because technically it was a $75 sale.

Have you guys been to Fry's Electronic? They have a "FREE" section on most holiday sales after rebates. Usually these are almost useless items like anti-virus you can download online for free. By having this type of sale, it's a win-win situation for Fry's.

How?

1) When you buy a $30 item, they charge you sales tax for $30. Upon applying for your rebate, you get only $30 back and not your sales tax. They keep your sales tax.

2) If statistics say over 50% (I'm sure the % is higher) of people don't even turn in their rebates, than using this statistics, Fry's is having a 50% off sale on the item. They sell 2 "FREE" items for a total of $60, one guy turns in the rebate, they pay out one $30-rebate. The tax is still for $60 regardless.
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yes, but when FRYS has $.99 for a 6 pack of coke, i feel guilty when i return 5-6 times on a LIMIT 8 6-packs per customer thingee...


okay... i dont.
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What the Fudge is in Visalia??? I'm glad they are coming to Ca but I can't figure this one???
Seriously.. had to Google that one. Appears to be conveniently located in the middle of nowhere
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They probably see a market to sell us non leaded tree hugger ammo so condors don't choke on it.
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so when is this move expected to happen?
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I stand corrected, there is apparently life in Visalia.
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I heard it was going to be located in newhall santa clarita area?
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They probably see a market to sell us non leaded tree hugger ammo so condors don't choke on it.
hopefully the condors choke and go extinct soon so this lead ammo ban is not needed since the bird it was meant to protect is gone off the face of the planet. may they all die!!!!!
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Visalia?

I'll have to make a road trip, check out the new store, and of course stop in DiCicco's for one of their great pizzas and a cold pitcher of beer!

I like Visalia.
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Well it is approximately in the middle of the state, North to South
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I certainly wouldn't mind it showing up in Santa Clarita, the only places to buy ammo now that Newhall Hardware is closing are Walmart and Big 5. And while I do make use of those retailers their selections are very limited. The only .308 they carry is 150grain sp, and they don't carry 7.62x25 or 6.5x55 at all. Not that I expect cabelas to carry much or any 7.62x25. Also hopefully they will carry powder and primers as the only place to get those locally that I know of is the reloading store at Angeles which is NOT cheap.

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hopefully the condors choke and go extinct soon so this lead ammo ban is not needed since the bird it was meant to protect is gone off the face of the planet. may they all die!!!!!
Don't get your hopes up... Although that would be nice they're just a hassle. The closest thing I have seen to a Condor is a Vulture. Basically... thats what they are a large garbage bird.
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let's see, a ban on lead, steel core is already banned, wtf do we use for bullets?
cabela's biggest business is with the fishing crowd.
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I certainly wouldn't mind it showing up in Santa Clarita, the only places to buy ammo now that Newhall Hardware is closing are Walmart and Big 5. And while I do make use of those retailers their selections are very limited. The only .308 they carry is 150grain sp, and they don't carry 7.62x25 or 6.5x55 at all. Not that I expect cabelas to carry much or any 7.62x25. Also hopefully they will carry powder and primers as the only place to get those locally that I know of is the reloading store at Angeles which is NOT cheap.

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The Cabelas here in Utah has a large selection of ammo of pretty much all calibers (almost). Prices are middle of the line. No bad, not great. But they have all sorts of stuff though I have yet to see 6.8SPC.

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The basic way the scam works is simple.

Lets say you buy $100 worth of stuff. The tax is $7.25. Simple math says that you pay the store $107.25

BUT wait a minute.

Lets say that some of the stuff you bought is on sale. Lets say that after the markdown the price you pay is $75.

So the store rings up the price, charges you $7.25 as tax then does the markdown. Instead of you paying $5.44 which is the tax on the $75 after the markdown you pay the full tax on the original price.

Next, when the store reports the sale they report the sale at $75 and tender the $5.44 sales tax to the state. They keep the difference of $1.81.

Now, that ain't much to keep but realize that if they do this EVERY DAY it adds up REALLY quickly. And, the best part is it's "tax free" money because it doesn't "officially" exist. At the end of the year it can be offset with inventory losses if required but it shouldn't be necessary because the sales are only $75 and the full tax on that is paid.

There are other ways too which involve "fractions" when reporting sales and taxes collected. Another version is the "free" item just pay the tax coupon. It's all a scam.
This is very illegal in California. California has numerous, detailed laws for sales tax on exactly how to calculate, communicate to the buyer, and report to the state. They even actually enforce this law, going around to mom and pops that lawfully turn in taxes but tell their customers tax included without having a sufficiently large sign saying that tax is included. If there is no sign saying tax is included, the basis must be the price charged with tax, and therefore the owner ends up owing the state more money.

Now rebates on the other hand, that's a racket.
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I just hit the one up in Reno a few days ago. It's a nice big crowded store (even on a Thursday in the middle of the day). Plenty of cool stuff in there but everything is expensive. No huge deals on anything, even bulk ammo.
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