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California 2nd Amend. Political Discussion & Activism Discuss gun rights activism and 2A related political topics here. All advice given is NOT legal counsel. |
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True, and that's why we need to stop the law.
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Here's why. It's about being the bringer of bad news. If you read what I wrote above, it is a statement about how the various "modern" wars are seen, and about public perception of these wars, and how that reflects into public perception of the military that fought these wars. Go back and read what I wrote: It is a description of what a large fraction of the people in the US think. Nowhere have I told you what my personal opinion is, and whether I agree with that majority or not. You have no idea what my personal opinion of active members of the military and of veterans is, nor whether it agrees with the perception of the majority. You are free to disagree with those views. That doesn't change the fact that they are held by a majority. You are free to threaten to beat up the majority, but that is not practical, and I would submit that it is not even the right thing to do. Quote:
Let me give you a concrete example. If I tell you that the weather is awful, would you beat me up because I have made it rain? Does it imply that I endorse the rain, and can you infer from it that I also want snow and wind to happen? No, I'm just telling you that it is raining. Getting angry at reality doesn't make reality go away. Quote:
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You are a leading Actor in "The Emperors new Clothes" because even though you have been told what Blue looks like, You still call it Green because "thats what the Majority Thinks" ![]()
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How about the current Glock factory 10-rounders for, say, a Glock 17?
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Chainsaw, you are a GD liar. You opened your mouth to give your shotty opinion when you shouldn't have. And now you are backpedaling trying to hide behind a fictitious "majority" or "reality" statistic that holds no water. Learn how to talk to people, particularly a combat veteran, and you won't have to be put in your place.
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While I agree with you to a point, I don’t believe military personal are looked down on today as they were before the first gulf war. Drafted in 1968 I wore the uniform during that time. I believe most see military personal today as honorable persons serving their country. It is the government that sends our military into these conflicts that the people don’t trust. The public sees the coffins and wounded veterans returning and ask why? The people who disagree with the war in Iraq and Afghanistan question the decision to go there, not with the people who served. Please leave the vets out of your arguments. |
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Of course the vague-ness is what they want. If it's unclear, it maybe makes some of the "on the fence" gunowners say, "to hell with it, it's not worth the risk I'll just sell all my guns." This maybe the worst of the lot, though it's a close race to say the least.
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The only legal magazines I would have, if it passes, would be M&P 9 magazines that have solid plastic at the bottom to take up the room to fit correctly in the magazine well.
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the proposed law as currently written:
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I believe that the language in prometa's quote was specifically tweaked to allow "factory" 10-round mags with "larger" bodies to be excluded, but the DIY-pinned jobs to be banned.
P.S. does anyone know the "pro tip" for AR-pattern 30-rounders? On this "last day to amend on the floor" we'll leave it unpublished. Perhaps tomorrow...
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chainsaw = Booshanky?
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contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. When Hell is full the dead will walk the Earth. (Dawn of the Dead) NRA Life Member. |
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contact the governor https://govnews.ca.gov/gov39mail/mail.php In Memory of Spc Torres May 5th 2006 al-Hillah, Iraq. I will miss you my friend. When Hell is full the dead will walk the Earth. (Dawn of the Dead) NRA Life Member. |
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Kind of closed minded there Blues... LEO's have different opinions on the subject too, while many do support the 2A, some do not!
As for the state outlawing these amgs, I think many here are over-reacting! If they do outlaw, then don't take them out, don't post pics online, don't brag about it, and don't get into trouble with LEO's. -OR - Get a pelican case and a shovel, dig a hole and bury them just in case! -OR - Move to a more gun friendly state like Arizona!
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Sad times indeed.
I sent letters, made phone calls, and sent emails. Not sure if it will do any good. I just had a interview today and may have a nice six figure job in AZ waiting for me, I hate leaving the state I was born on and grew up in but I planned on retiring in AZ in 15 years so I guess I may be leaving early. Very sad times |
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Ah....do they know what the word 'permanently' means? This makes no sense grammatically.
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I've been thinking about my 10/30 pmags and then I've been thinking about a dremel and a cutting wheel. Not the only means of cutting down a body, and it wouldn't be pretty, and the floor plate would probably have to be super-glued on but it would get it down to a 10 round body.
I could take the cut-off part of the body and give those to the coppers. Maybe they can take a few and cobble them together into new magazines that they can use.
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i assume he misguidedly thought he was stopping criminals..... http://www.keepandbeararms.com/nra/nfa.htm |
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Yep! Nearly 80 years ago, that's where we went wrong. Look back over the last 79 years to 1934 to today. It's done by degrees. Not just for gun control either, but it scales over time as well. The longer it goes without being stopped the quicker it starts to get. Making a nice concave curve if you were to chart it out. I remember reading an article by a math nut a couple of years ago talking about how everything in life follows power law dynamics, wars, economies, forest fires even. It sounded a little far-fetched because I couldn't follow the math as well but I do see the logic of it. Authoritative government seems to follow it as well. Here's the article I just looked it up: http://netwar.wordpress.com/2007/08/...r-laws-of-war/ It's too late to look at, my eyes will fall out.
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So yeah.. . Fair compeation my ***. They will stay just enough inside the Constitution to make your life difficult and make you pay out just as much as they give you. So sure, they might give you 15 bucks for your confiscated mags but charge you a $20 fee plus time, a stamp, envelope, you have to pay to ship the mag to them etc.
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Well this sucks since the only 10-round magazine I can purchase currently for my SCAR-17s is a 20-round body that's been permanently plugged. This means I can't shoot my SCAR without risk of arrest until FNH or some entrepreneur makes available on the market a true 10-round magazine body.
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If the GTRM ban goes through you should talk to someone like Sean Brady or Clint Monfort with Chuck Michel's group and consider being a plaintiff.
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