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Troll? False flag operation?

I donated to many pro-gun orgs, including CalGuns affiliated orgs. There's no guarantees that they can do anything.

Your imply that the Calguns lawyers are scammers. I don't believe that. They likely tried everything they could. No guarantee of success. And we're not done fighting yet.
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First off, some bills left appropriations, that's no stinkin' Waterloo OK? This is, as always, a long fight, and there are still plenty of chances to kills those bills, both in Sac and in the courts.

Second, while CGF's litigation strategy and the quality of some of the counsel they have chosen is certainly worthy of some criticism, they don't have jack to do with what happens in Sacramento, and as far as I know never claimed to. Blaming them makes about as much sense as a football bat.

Your patronizing comments toward members here aside, what was your grand RKBA strategy? Mock people on the internet? Even CGF has done a hell of a lot more than you.
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You tell me what you've done for the fight. Until then your just another a##hole stinking up the place. Typical Saturday night drunk post I see on every forum I visit from guitars to the best new HDTV. Sober up and come back in the morning.
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If any of you are going to flame me for what I've said, then just be sure to mean what you say. Don't be on anyone else's bandwagon trying to find strength in numbers. I have no respect for those types. Obviously I speak my mind and I can take it as well as dish it.
Actually, I don't see you dishing it at all. You have said nothing but unfounded accusations, and have presented no alternatives. How is that dishing it. It is easy and immature to be only a critic, and just ***** and moan and say I told you so. What's your better game plan? What are your better alternatives?
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Why should I delete my account? I am an active member on other parts of this forum. I have participated in meaningful threads, I have bought and sold guns and gun parts in the calguns marketplace. I just call it like I see it. But thanks for your meaningful contribution to this thread.
Three whole itrader ratings since 2008? Sounds like the same participation that you are doing in fighting against the draconian efforts of the left
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I believe it's called mentally challenged these days but in this case retard seems more appropriate. I feel for the sucker standing near this douche at the range. That is if he even owns a firearm.
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Perhaps some of you remember me a while back I posted about how you guys who donated to Calguns Foundation and its lawyers were all just suckers. I am here to gloat and say I Told You So. I told you those guys never did anything for improving the 2A in CA and never would. Now here we are on the brink of a major @$$ whupping with the Appropriations, and I don't see those guys who collected your money anywhere in sight telling you to not fear and that they'd do something about it. Where are they now? They knew all along they couldn't do jack squat but did they tell you to stop donating money to a lost cause? Nope.

How much money did they get off you suckers in the last 5 years? $$Millions?? They predicted 2A rights would start improving real soon and here we are losing more and more by the minute. Do you even feel cheated at all? I know I would.

Listen, I think Calguns is cool and all to talk about guns, learn about guns, the marketplace and other stuff. But this whole donating thing to some crook lawyers who gave you all false hope is some serious bullspit.

How do you feel about how much difference your donations made now with the Appropriations @$$ whupping?
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^^^^^ This!

It was up to the California gun owners to voice opposition! Bottom line, it fell on deaf ears... That's our part.

CGF is around to litigate unfair and unconstitutional guns laws, not act as a lobbying group. Bottom line is, CGN advocates and helps "herd the cats" prior to these measures getting to the governors desk, once they are enacted into law, that's when they go to work!

You can't litigate what isn't law yet!

Out of curiosity, how many times did you pick up the phone and call your reps during this ordeal? I have a pretty good guess...
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Please elaborate where CGF portends to be a legislative activist organization? Methinks you are trying to mix the apples and oranges and then draw unfair comparisons.

Now, go away troll.
OP, you gonna just pass right over this tiny little detail?

Or would you like to "dish out" a reasonable correlation between the legislatures actions and CGF? Rhetorical question, you can't because 501c3's are not able to get heavily involved in political lobbying/action.

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Perhaps some of you remember me a while back I posted about how you guys who donated to Calguns Foundation and its lawyers were all just suckers. I am here to gloat and say I Told You So.
Even if you were completely correct about it all, it had to be tried. On what basis would you disagree with that?
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I donít know if there is any credit to the ops claim. But one can begin to wonder when you see things like the new laws passing.
One thing that made me wonder was today as I went out to buy a rifle I was surprised as to how many people with gun interest, knew nothing of the new laws.
I talked with a few friends I havenít talked with in a while and in 3 sporting good store (that sell guns or the gun counter) I heard and talked with about a dozen or so that knew nothing, hadnít heard about it or didnít know what was going on.

Now advertising on this web site will get you a few to catch on and a few that will be active but to get the message out to the masses there should have been some advertising else where.

The dedicated few who troll the gun website donít make up the masses that actually own gun. Those that may own a gun and only use it a few times a year may never see these websites. They may never get the word till itís too late.
I fell into this category while I was in the military. I owned a gun, I lived in Cali, yet I never heard of the high cap mag ban which started Jan 2000. I would have stack up on 30 rd mags which would have been easy for me if I knew.

My point is the word needed to get out much better then it is. This is like a presidential campaign and the word needs to get out. We all know how Obama used the media to get his word out. He used that medium quite well, Iíll give him that.
We needed to do better in getting the word out. The few on this site who get informed, that try to get the word out, that sent emails, just isnít enough.
I seem to talk to someone new through-out the work week, and try to inform then and all they can say is ďwow I didnít know thatĒ. But if I thought they will continue passing the word I would be mistaken. Trying to pass the word is like a sale pitch; maybe one in ten will pass the word. On top of that, to many, talking about guns itís almost like a taboo, especially in California.

I donít know but there needs to be a regroup and look over the attack strategy and maybe come up with a new approach and hope we can salvage some of the ground we lost.

I hope some of you can understand what Iím trying to say, I may not be explaining it as well as I would like.
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I bet this jack @$$ isn't doing his own part. You want to complain, you too should be calling and emailing these ignorant politicians. You want change, you take part in it.
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If there is a gunowner in the U.S. and California who is unware that gun control is kind of a hot topic, or that the sky is blue or any other shocking revelations, just walk away.
I donít think this is what we should do. We canít just cater to those who use their guns a few times a week. We need to get all and any who use guns or own guns on board, the number can make the differences between a hand full and a truck load.
We can get on this site, check out other sites, watch the news and try and keep up with events but thatís not everyone (as in to each his own). There are people out there that donít watch or even own a TV and news to them is just what they read, see or word of mouth. Weíre all different and have different likes, dislike, habits.
You know there are some out there that still believe the world is flat.
Do we neglect those who do not do as we do or have our habits? If we can educate them we can add to our cause, donít you think.
Of the doz or so I talked to these pass few days if 2 or 3 become aware it still adds to our numbers.
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I feel so betrayed! All this time I have been reading debates on how much Glocks suck, I have really just been fed all this "bullspit" propaganda.

Does this mean that Glocks actually don't suck?? Now I am confused...
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OP lashing out at CGF and blaming them for lost legislature is wrong.

Donating and support on your part doesn't guarantee an absolute result, as is the case with everything else in life. if you are unhappy with one entity or the other..blame the appropriate one; either yourself or CA law makers...but don't blame the proxy between the two.

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I don't think we should blame calguns. We should blame the lazy gun owners that don't call, email or send letters to the people in charge of California. If we kept up the pressure or if we still keep up the pressure they will know. We shouldn't give up yet. Fight to the last fight. Only cowards give up when the light at the end of the tunnel fades. Keep fighting and don't give in.
this isn't even on the gun owners who DON'T send emails or write letters...the people in charge are not going to be swayed no matter how many letters you send

just think about it, would you change your stance on guns just because you received a bunch of letters? well, neither will they...unfortunately, short of storming the Capitol, we don't have many options available...we need to get the right people seated, who are willing to go to bat for us, and, protect our Constitution...we don't have that right now Moe, we have vile, unconscionable people sitting, whose only agenda is to weaken the people

I don't agree with the OP either, it's not the fault of lawyers that it takes literally years to unravel the damage these new laws create, plus, I've lost faith in our judicial system, they seem to lack the backbone to correctly rule on cases, forcing it into even more time delayed, up the ladder appeals

our adversary has a great advantage over us...they can push these Bills into laws, in a relatively short period of time, then, sit and wait while it takes years to be heard by the courts...it's almost strategic on their part, and, its working
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Yea I'll clarify for ya. Any pink fresh hippy law school grad could take on these civil cases.

In the grand scheme of things, that's just a drop in the bucket and does not require $Millions of dollars in funds does it? I'd like to see factual data how much has been donated to CGF and if you're interested, how much was used for the so called civic cases.
So!, you admit that CGF does at least some good things; now we are just haggling about the price.
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Don't be harsh on him guys. I'm sure Mr. I'm a Complete ******* does an excellent job of advancing the cause of gun owners in California when he's not trolling Calguns.
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If any of you are going to flame me for what I've said, then just be sure to mean what you say. Don't be on anyone else's bandwagon trying to find strength in numbers. I have no respect for those types. Obviously I speak my mind and I can take it as well as dish it.
So it is all about you? All of us as well as CGF should be concerned that you are unhappy with the current state of affairs? And you create a thread to gloat?

Things take time. You sound like an impatient, spoiled child.
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You're under the assumption that the poster of such diatribe really cares about the Second Amendment. When he's really here to agitate.
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OK, I realize OP's a POS troll (or he was drunk) now, after not responding to several clear/poignant replies, but something else hit me when reading teddy's post above.

Threads like these are literally a parallel to that struggle. OP posts pathetic, ignorant, naive rant and we spend several pages and hundreds of replies picking apart his points and positions.

And don't think that doesn't have to be done. If OP's post was to stand and no one reply, that ignorance would spread and spread. Newbs and casual calgunners would read it and think "yeah, why n't those bastards stopping dem other bastards up in the capitol? Screw both of 'em." Then we've lost another potential friend to the cause.

Back to my original point, how much time do we spend combating BS like this? Way too much... way too much.
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WOW the antis are going to love this thread..................eating their own

ain't that the truth?! they don't need any more help and yet some just can't resist helping them anyway.
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Good morning MR.Squid!

You have seem to take apples and oranges and made fruit salad with your post.

I too am disappointed with the CGF litigation track record!

Why are you mixing CGF and politics with what is going on in SAC?

CGF by law can't lobby politicians in SAC so, your post makes no sense what so ever and you are making yourself look a little (a lot) under educated.

Even if CGF got shall issue in the entire world via the courts, that would not stop politicians from creating new laws against it. Thats why they are law makers. PLEASE! Back away from the screen, make your lunch pale and proceed to middle school.

FWIW i have not been a huge CGF fan but they have done some good things when it comes to helping people who get arrested out of a false arrest and clarifying CCW laws to sheriffs.
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I disagree with the OP. Further, reading his post history shows a pattern of behavior that makes shows its ok to dismiss him entirely. I'm not exactly sure why he comes here, but he's certainly a serial agitator, being contrary just for the sake of it.

Moving on...a cgr posted in this thread that hes noticed that many firearms enthusiasts are unaware, or only peripherally aware of the reach that these new laws have, and that, even as big as cgn has become, it still only reaches a small slice of CA gunowners. Those who come here regularly know these new laws inside and out. We spend a lot of time wondering why the average CA voter doesn't "get it".

With that, I think much can be done still to raise awareness, parrallel to our efforts to sway legislature, and failing that, force the issue in the courts.

I vote we hijack the OP's thread, and instead turn his pedantic rant into a constructive discussion of what else we can do to further the cause.
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I disagree with the OP. Further, reading his post history shows a pattern of behavior that makes shows its ok to dismiss him entirely. I'm not exactly sure why he comes here, but he's certainly a serial agitator, being contrary just for the sake of it.

Moving on...a cgr posted in this thread that hes noticed that many firearms enthusiasts are unaware, or only peripherally aware of the reach that these new laws have, and that, even as big as cgn has become, it still only reaches a small slice of CA gunowners. Those who come here regularly know these new laws inside and out. We spend a lot of time wondering why the average CA voter doesn't "get it".

With that, I think much can be done still to raise awareness, parrallel to our efforts to sway legislature, and failing that, force the issue in the courts.

I vote we hijack the OP's thread, and instead turn his pedantic rant into a constructive discussion of what else we can do to further the cause.
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Old 09-01-2013, 7:53 AM
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I disagree with the OP. Further, reading his post history shows a pattern of behavior that makes shows its ok to dismiss him entirely. I'm not exactly sure why he comes here, but he's certainly a serial agitator, being contrary just for the sake of it.

Moving on...a cgr posted in this thread that hes noticed that many firearms enthusiasts are unaware, or only peripherally aware of the reach that these new laws have, and that, even as big as cgn has become, it still only reaches a small slice of CA gunowners. Those who come here regularly know these new laws inside and out. We spend a lot of time wondering why the average CA voter doesn't "get it".

With that, I think much can be done still to raise awareness, parrallel to our efforts to sway legislature, and failing that, force the issue in the courts.

I vote we hijack the OP's thread, and instead turn his pedantic rant into a constructive discussion of what else we can do to further the cause.
CGF is actually so small it actually hurts its efforts. In fact there is only, what, six people??
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