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Old 08-31-2013, 12:38 AM
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Thank you sincerely for all your efforts. But the process is irreparably shattered and we are in their crosshairs and scheduled for extermination. We are fighting a hopeless battle. I recommend we all relocate to states where battle lines cannot be breached. See y'all in Texas where I will bank over $300K more per year from my business and shoot fully auto while carrying a side arm all the day long. Focker OUT!
Texas? How about the rally in Austin of mothers against open carry? Austin has become a haven for statist mentality of California and it's spreading within Texas. Some estimates based on current trends show Texas may be a blue state by 2030.

People seem to forget history. California used to have open loaded carry. No one thought that would ever be at risk and then one day it was banned. What is happening in California is beginning to happen everywhere. Florida has had to fight tooth and nail to keep it's laws in light of recent events. Colorado is fighting it's own battle as well. Just merely a year ago most people thought Colorado was safe. Even Nevada has been recently battling forms of gun control.

Starving the beast is understandable unfortunately the beast has been and will spread it's influence over the nation. The anti's have already begun terrorizing children in schools to be afraid of eating food in the shape of a firearm (remember poptart). Anti's plan to have complete gun bans in a matter of a generation.

People also seemed to forget what happened when no one stopped Germany in Poland in France and so on.

People also seemed to forget what happened to the Indians in the West. They didn't care about the Eastern tribes and refused to join the fight till the fight was nearly over.

Not saying you should stay in Cali, do what you must but, don't think the fight won't be coming to Texas and taking the same insidious path as California.

The front line is California.
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The only way to win this is at the ballot box, and that's a lost cause. I'll keep fighting, until I move to a free state.
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No offense but I have to gently correct you.

The United States, at least in my memory, is NOT a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.

That was by design of the Founders.

A Democracy means the majority rule. A Constitutional Republic means the system of government is protected against undue influence by the minority or the majority.

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The only way to win this is at the ballot box, and that's a lost cause. I'll keep fighting, until I move to a free state.
Lost cause? Daunting yes, difficult yes, entirely lost? We just helped to get an NRA member elected to the CALIFORNIA SENATE! A pro 2A, hunting farmer elected in Senate District 16 in JULY of this year! He faced an opponent with teachers union endorsement and a larger warchest.

There will now be some self-defeatists that will declare that meaningless. Yet, just back in January many thought that would be impossible. It takes grassroots efforts, volunteering, informing people, pitching in when necessary and generally it takes work. Hell if there isn't a good candidate then run. That's why Tim Donnelly ran and subsequently won the 33rd Assembly District. He couldn't convince anyone else to run because they said it wouldn't be worth the effort and couldn't win.

It's amazing how quickly people are willing to bow to statists and fascists and run for cover. This state was slowly lost, and it can be slowly regained or at least balanced. I sometimes wonder if the founding fathers had to deal with so many self-defeatist in their time. They probably did since only 3% stood with them against the King. Guess we'll just need to see who are the 3% in Cali.
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Old 08-31-2013, 1:09 AM
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The way to force vetos is simple.

Every gun owner should change their tax expemtion status to 20.

Starve the beast.

What exactly is the penalty for "domestic enemies"...?
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So do you guys recommend making any last minute purchases before the end of the year?
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HEAR HEAR!!!!!

Rand Paul for President! It truly is our only hope.
I have to disagree that this is our only hope.
Regardless of who is President his authority is limited, we still have the Californian politicians to contend with meaning we have to attack at the local level.

Make your Senators and Assembly persons District office a regular stop in your travels. Like stopping at your FFL to keep current or nosy.

The DNC platform regarding firearms is rather ambiguous but the Dems sign on to it and will continue to vote for anti-gun measures.
There might be a Dem that votes against it but they have the permission to do so, its a team effort.

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We are getting reasonable regulation and common sense improvements in these Bills.

Leave the NRA as a single issue beast at the national level, thats where they belong, a single issue national org. California is OUR state, our responsibility, not the NRA's.

In supporting a candidate we need to look a bit past the 2A and read between the lines to the reasons this person is running and who is supporting he, she or it. Where is their money coming from?

At the city and county level meetings are they trying to make life unbearable for your FFL and ranges? Who are they favoring and what is their agenda?

Its local, right where you live.

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Old 08-31-2013, 4:58 AM
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No offense but I have to gently correct you.

The United States, at least in my memory, is NOT a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.

That was by design of the Founders.

A Democracy means the majority rule. A Constitutional Republic means the system of government is protected against undue influence by the minority or the majority.

Everyone is equal under the law.
You are correct, I was using the term in that our representatives are suppose to represent us, express OUR VOICE, not their own...
Perhaps we need a full democracy. I liked the *idea* of a representative republic in that it prevents the majority from passing self serving laws. However I am afraid that our party system has failed and only serves their own views, and that of their special interest parties...
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I have to disagree that this is our only hope.
Regardless of who is President his authority is limited, we still have the Californian politicians to contend with meaning we have to attack at the local level.
Well, this is not really an executive branch issue, this is a legislative issue. POTUS can neither vote on nor pass a law. But, it is not true that this is strictly a Californian State Legislature issue because FEDERAL LAW TRUMPS STATE LAW.

Basically, it is possible for the US Congress to for instance pass laws such as the following and there is nothing the states can do about it:-
  • All US Citizens and Lawful Permanent Residents shall be issued with a Federal License to carry a concealed firearm if they are not mentally insane or a convicted Felon. This permit shall be recognized in all member states of the Union and US protectorates.
  • All US Citizens and Permanent Residents, who are not convicted Felons or legally deemed insane, are elible to own and operate for legitimate purposes any firearm fed by any ammunition feeding device in all member states of the union, provided that the said firearm does not fire an explosive shell and is incapable of automatic fire.

I am pretty sure some state legislatures will be very upset. Some conservatives who are champions of state rights -- often for very good reasons -- will also be pretty upset. But legalistically, yes, the US Congress can pass such laws which will essentially wipe out all the bans in NY or CA. I doubt that they will, but they can.
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If these laws pass and we are no longer allowed to transfer our "assault weapons" to our children here in California, can't we still just go to another state and make the transfer? We will probably just have to transfer to someone who lives out of state I'm guessing. What a pain.
Simple answer is yes. In fact, you don't even have to. A biological "person" is not the only entity eligible to own property (including firearms). A Corporation or Trust can as well. One of the proposed laws in the California state legislature attempts to ban registration of AW by non-biological persons, but even if passes this is a CALIFORNIA LAW and has no judicial reach beyond the state boundaries.

In short, yes. You and/or your descendants can be owners or members of a corporation or trust. This corporation or trust may be one which is setup in another state. This corporation or trust can own AWs banned in California. Ownership can be transferred to it. However, this corporation or trust can no longer register an AW in California, hence cannot legally bring them into or operate them the state of CA.
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Old 08-31-2013, 5:25 AM
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It's not going to work that way dude....
why not? I think it will. If its an AW, its not going to have a BB on it.
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Old 08-31-2013, 5:54 AM
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I have to disagree that this is our only hope.
Regardless of who is President his authority is limited, we still have the Californian politicians to contend with meaning we have to attack at the local level.

Make your Senators and Assembly persons District office a regular stop in your travels. Like stopping at your FFL to keep current or nosy.

The DNC platform regarding firearms is rather ambiguous but the Dems sign on to it and will continue to vote for anti-gun measures.
There might be a Dem that votes against it but they have the permission to do so, its a team effort.



We are getting reasonable regulation and common sense improvements in these Bills.

Leave the NRA as a single issue beast at the national level, thats where they belong, a single issue national org. California is OUR state, our responsibility, not the NRA's.

In supporting a candidate we need to look a bit past the 2A and read between the lines to the reasons this person is running and who is supporting he, she or it. Where is their money coming from?

At the city and county level meetings are they trying to make life unbearable for your FFL and ranges? Who are they favoring and what is their agenda?

Its local, right where you live.

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Old 08-31-2013, 6:21 AM
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Just look at the Senior Members cut to the core and waking from the delusion that the NRA has perpetrated on us. I'm cancelling my membership tomorrow.
I am at a bit of a quandry as to why you would cancel your NRA Membership due to the actions of the California Legislature.
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To say that the NRA has abandoned CA, or that it doesn't care about CA, is just flat out WRONG!

CA is the only state to have its own NRA lobbyist, and a good one. The NRA probably directs more resources to CA than to any other state.

But the NRA is a national organization, at times it may need to take action that isn't ideal for CA because it needs to think of the other 49 states, politics isn't always clean & simple.

Also it is and always will be the 800 pound gorilla, strategically there will be situations where it will keep a low profile and mask its efforts, again politics are like that.

Ultimately the power to change our 2A landscape lies in the hands of the voters, and we need to get more of them to vote with us.
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why not? I think it will. If its an AW, its not going to have a BB on it.
Trust me when I tell you DOJ is working on that as we speak. They intend to regulate in such a way as to make conversion to a stock mag catch illegal. This is not a new idea.
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Give me a target boss. I ain't leaving this state and intend to stand and fight.

Our leadership needs to find 1 seat for us to focus on. Give us all something to fight for. A goal to obtain.

Is it time for CGN-PAC ?

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Agreed. I'm new to the fight, so I have lots of energy left. I will continue to fight as long as I reside in CA, and then probably even after.
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Thank you sincerely for all your efforts. But the process is irreparably shattered and we are in their crosshairs and scheduled for extermination. We are fighting a hopeless battle. I recommend we all relocate to states where battle lines cannot be breached. See y'all in Texas where I will bank over $300K more per year from my business and shoot fully auto while carrying a side arm all the day long. Focker OUT!
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I am imploring any of you who are able to leave the state as quickly as you can. Because we are working tax contributors, it's our best weapon. Whose money are they going to use after we are all gone? Lets see how many liberals there are when the handouts stop.
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WAKE UP. Politics and policies won't work. This state is a lost cause.
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It is the fact that democracy has failed. The representatives have failed to represent their constituents as they are supposed to. Our system might be broken. The representatives no longer represent the people, and only represent their party's view points in order to get campaign funds and support....
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Give me a target boss. I ain't leaving this state and intend to stand and fight.

Our leadership needs to find 1 seat for us to focus on. Give us all something to fight for. A goal to obtain.

Is it time for CGN-PAC ?

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I know nothing about a "PAC" show me how and I will make it happen
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Lost cause - yes..

From the words of Brandon Combs himself:


"The most honest thing I can tell you is this: there's probably nothing we can do to change the outcome of these bills in the Legislature. Our only real hope is with Governor Brown."

The only chance we have on making a change is hanging on Jerry Brown.

That sir is a the quintessential definition of a lost cause.





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Lost cause? Daunting yes, difficult yes, entirely lost? We just helped to get an NRA member elected to the CALIFORNIA SENATE! A pro 2A, hunting farmer elected in Senate District 16 in JULY of this year! He faced an opponent with teachers union endorsement and a larger warchest.

There will now be some self-defeatists that will declare that meaningless. Yet, just back in January many thought that would be impossible. It takes grassroots efforts, volunteering, informing people, pitching in when necessary and generally it takes work. Hell if there isn't a good candidate then run. That's why Tim Donnelly ran and subsequently won the 33rd Assembly District. He couldn't convince anyone else to run because they said it wouldn't be worth the effort and couldn't win.

It's amazing how quickly people are willing to bow to statists and fascists and run for cover. This state was slowly lost, and it can be slowly regained or at least balanced. I sometimes wonder if the founding fathers had to deal with so many self-defeatist in their time. They probably did since only 3% stood with them against the King. Guess we'll just need to see who are the 3% in Cali.
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In the sales forum there are strict rules on "thread crapping".

We are overdue for them in activism threads.

There are people that are NOT adding anything useful and serving our enemy quite well only to demotivate others.

You think it's lost and your making plans to leave?
Think Brown is gonna sign every single one?
Not interested in fighting with us because calls and emails are useless?

Good for you. Please go elsewhere with it.

If you have something useful to add please do so.
If you have another idea, another way to fight. Share it!
But I'm weary of the thread crapping in activism threads.
It serves no good purpose.
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You don't need to remind me who I am and whom I served. I paid for my name with blood, sir. For you to post it three times is not cool, to say the least Whom I served and what I served to defend has been betrayed by filthy liberals, and no level of Pollyanna-ism is going to change that.

Now get Penny the heck out of this cesspool and bring her up in a place where liberty and freedom still exist.
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You don't need to remind me who I am and whom I served. I paid for my name with blood, sir. For you to post it three times is not cool, to say the least Whom I served and what I served to defend has been betrayed by filthy liberals, and no level of Pollyanna-ism is going to change that.

Now get Penny the heck out of this cesspool and bring her up in a place where liberty and freedom still exist.
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Ok serious questions here.

I’m reading the AW law and it’s confusing.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB374

First the good stuff. Rimfire has been removed.

Now the screwy lawyer talk.
This bill would, instead, classify a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept no more than 10 rounds as an assault weapon.
-> My SU-16 and PC-9 would qualify if they could not accept a magazine with more than 10 rds? There are many option for full capacity magazines for these guns.

A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
-> So my… Ok just about every semi-auto pistol with a detachable magazine is now an assault weapon, even my 1911?

From this it looks like I need to register my glock and 1911, but not my ARs, PC-9, and SU-16?

I'm sure that is wrong.
all center fire semi-auto long guns with mag that can be removed without disassembly of the firing action will be AW under this bill, such as your SU16, PC9, ARs, etc...

no change for pistol AW definition. since they wanted to ban all >10 rounds mags/kits with other bills, there would be no >10 rounds mags in CA if those bills passed...
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Texas? How about the rally in Austin of mothers against open carry? Austin has become a haven for statist mentality of California and it's spreading within Texas. Some estimates based on current trends show Texas may be a blue state by 2030.

People seem to forget history. California used to have open loaded carry. No one thought that would ever be at risk and then one day it was banned. What is happening in California is beginning to happen everywhere. Florida has had to fight tooth and nail to keep it's laws in light of recent events. Colorado is fighting it's own battle as well. Just merely a year ago most people thought Colorado was safe. Even Nevada has been recently battling forms of gun control.

Starving the beast is understandable unfortunately the beast has been and will spread it's influence over the nation. The anti's have already begun terrorizing children in schools to be afraid of eating food in the shape of a firearm (remember poptart). Anti's plan to have complete gun bans in a matter of a generation.

People also seemed to forget what happened when no one stopped Germany in Poland in France and so on.

People also seemed to forget what happened to the Indians in the West. They didn't care about the Eastern tribes and refused to join the fight till the fight was nearly over.

Not saying you should stay in Cali, do what you must but, don't think the fight won't be coming to Texas and taking the same insidious path as California.

The front line is California.
Yes, Texas. Texas has a super majority of conservatives in both houses of the state legislation. Look it up. And Austin is a tiny enclave of scummy musicians and artists that don't amount to a bucket of spit in the Texas political landscape. Check the recent law on abortion passed by Texans who ran over the minuscule liberal opposition.

There are many other states where one can go to live freely. You mentioned Florida: that state is a mass of relocated liberals from the Northern blue states. You can't swing a dead cat without hitting a retired Tri-Stater. Try Arizona, Kentucky, Oklahoma, or a skew of others. I prefer Texas because they are very business friendly and have no state income tax.

California has never been the front line for this fight. It has always been the 2nd Amendment's version of a death camp. I'm not into standing in line waiting to die. I'll fight where the battleground will yield a favorable outcome. I will choose the terrain, time, resources and tactics that will result in a WIN. You are never going to win here. Come and visit me some time and check out my collection of fully auto and carry weapons.

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why not? I think it will. If its an AW, its not going to have a BB on it.
They will probably have two classes of assault weapons, a "new" and a "old" for lack of better terms. At this point it is all speculation, but I doubt they will let us make our guns "more evil".
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This is truly a democracy tragedy. I called numerous times per Calguns request. I was NEVER even able to get through to a voice mail on numerous attempts. Clearly there was a significant number of constituents calling as well to express their beliefs towards these proposed laws. The fact that they ignored our plees for our representatives to actually "represent" us shows that our claimed "democracy" and "freedom" is only but a false veil. The government will continue to do whatever they want. If they go too far they will blame it on a single figurehead and we the people will reelect from the disfunctional party system expecting something different the next time.

What are we the people to do when our vote and voices mean nothing? We lost our democracy years ago.

I used to be able to talk about proposed gun laws, and other laws, however now I can't. All that comes to my minds is swear words and anger. I have realized my opinion means nothing, writing my representative means nothing, voicing my views means nothing. I do not have a representative. I have an elected dictator.

My biggest gripe here is NOT that the anti gun laws were passed. It is the fact that democracy has failed. The representatives have failed to represent their constituents as they are supposed to. Our system might be broken. The representatives no longer represent the people, and only represent their party's view points in order to get campaign funds and support....
the facts: there are more registered dems than other parties in CA and majority of them want gun control, so yes, they are doing what the majority believe is the right thing to stay in power....

unless this fundamental belief changes to our side, it's going to be a steep uphill battle...

BTW - we're a constitutional republic, not a democratic country....
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I know nothing about a "PAC" show me how and I will make it happen
PAC = Political Action Committee.

http://www.fec.gov/ans/answers_pac.shtml

http://www.ehow.com/how_2077352_crea...committee.html

I'm thinking that an unassociated "California Gun Rights" PAC makes sense. The single purpose of the PAC is to identify a single seat in California's legislature and turn it from an anti gun seat to a pro gun seat for each election cycle.

This is NOT an instant gratification project. Assuming our combined resources can be successful 80% of the time, we would see 4 seats change to the pro gun column in a 10 year period.

The only thing that matters is how a politician votes on ANY gun control measure. If they vote to erode our civil rights, they are a potential target.

Imagine that we could swing ONE seat in 2014. Now, when we call Sacramento ahead of votes, we can remind them ALL that they may become the next target for the "California Gun Rights PAC" in the next election. It gives us something to use to make them stop and seriously consider the ramifications of eroding our civil rights. Absent a fear of losing elections, CA politicians have ZERO reason to buck their party's leadership.

http://oag.ca.gov/sites/all/files/ag...ros_chart.pdf? shows me that there were over 800,000 firearms sales in CA in 2012. Imagine if CA FFL's were asking "would you like to donate $10 to the CGR-PAC"? Then imagine the donations from all over the WHOLE state over a 2 year period. I see no reason why the fund couldn't have $10 million dollars to use to make sure OUR candidate WINS in 1 race.

If Sacramento politicians see that kind of money being injected into 1 campaign, they will be praying that we don't target them next.

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Let me make this simple:

If you have and continue to send letters, emails, faxes and phones calls I encourage you to keep doing so and to not quit fighting until these bills are either dead or signed.
If signed then we'll see what is needed to fight them in court.
The only time you lose is when you quit fighting.


If you feel sending letters, emails, faxes and phones calls is a waste of time, don't do it. And don't come here telling those who are sending them in that it is a waste or not to.
Shut up, hit 'Back' and find another thread to read.
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No freaking kidding, I need vodka and ice, and a lot of it....
screw them, i went to lgs and bought 3 more ar lowers...
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I have always been told that if a law is unconstitutional then how can it be a law? So why do our elected officials continue to cram unconstitutional laws down our throats??
We must continue to fight for our constitutional rights. Because if the democrats get there way then they will continue to chip away at everything in our constitution. We all need to continue to send emails, faxes, letters and make the phone calls to your elected officials.

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HEAR HEAR!!!!!

Rand Paul for President! It truly is our only hope.
Agreed. I can't wait to watch Rand mop the floor with Hilary in debates--yet somehow, mark my words--Hilary will still win. At that point, kiss the Republic goodbye.

Before Hilary stepped down from her position as Secretary of State, do you realize it's been over 30 years since we haven't had a Bush or Clinton in the White House?!? That sh*t ain't right. This isn't a monarchy, with our royal families. We need to CLEAN HOUSE.

Long live the Republic!!!
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Up until yesterday, I emailed and called over a thousand times. Then yesterday happened and everything changed. Its over.

And its bad enough losing our 2A rights - does Kestryll wish us to surrender our right to free speech as well? I'm not surrendering either. In just going to a place where both are encouraged if you belong to the right side of the political spectrum.
Do you understand the constitution you are sworn to defend? There are no free speech rights on a private forum. Calguns does a good job of promoting a free exchange of ideas, in my opinion, but you are free to draw your own conclusions. I don't find anything oppressive about a California-gun-owners-activism website promoting activism and discouraging the inverse.
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Guys just throwing it out there, I will be on 1170AM KCBQ on the 'The Garage Hour' show representing the San Diego chapter for CGN. I will briefly be bringing up some of the AB and SBs for discussion and to help people get motivated to contact the Governor. 6-8pm tonight. If anyone has specific points they think should be addressed feel free to contact me. You can also stream live here: http://www.kcbq.com/
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So, standard PC-9s and SU-16s would have detachable magazines under new law, and thus be assault weapons.
So what about ARs with BBs?
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Guys just throwing it out there, I will be on 1170AM KCBQ on the 'The Garage Hour' show representing the San Diego chapter for CGN. I will briefly be bringing up some of the AB and SBs for discussion and to help people get motivated to contact the Governor. 6-8pm tonight. If anyone has specific points they think should be addressed feel free to contact me. You can also stream live here: http://www.kcbq.com/
Excellent. The main points we hit on here all the time would be fine.
All I can think to add is how often the term "rights" is used for things that are not in the constitution that so many support these days, and here this state is eroding something that is an actual identified constitutional right.
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