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Old 08-30-2013, 6:33 PM
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IF.....

There are two things that I hate worse than anything else in politics:
1) Sellouts, traitors, turn-coats, in other words -- someone who was on your side and then, supported the other side (by making a deal) causing us to lose.
2) People who will not engage in the fight to protect their/our freedom.

If we go silent ---- They win! And they would "freak out" alright, during their celebration.

NO! We will continue to fight. We will force victories where ever and whenever we can get them. But we will not quit.

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Please don't misunderstand me and please don't infer that I am some kind of turncoat or slacker but at this point in California our voices are ignored. The legislature in Sacramento could care less about our e-mails, phone calls or faxes. They have an agenda and a mandate to pass that agenda. Gun owners are screwed in this state and to think that e-mails or phone calls will change that is naive. All we have left is the courts or wait until the next election cycle and I don't have much hope in my fellow voter. I'm not saying don't fight (my last post was a bit tongue in cheek). It takes 2 seconds to send an e-mail or a few minutes to make a phone call which I will do at every vote but to have any misconception that our efforts will sway the like of Yee or Stienburg is a fools errand. Somehow we need to remove these SOB's. They are our enemy and they wont be swayed by phone calls.
Keep up the good fight and I sincerely thank you for your efforts. I'm in the trenches with you to the end.
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Old 08-30-2013, 6:56 PM
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**** this rathole. I'm taking my business and 50 jobs out of state within 6 months. I sincerely hope every Democrat gets cancer and dies slowly. I've just had enough.
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^^^^^ This!
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Old 08-30-2013, 7:11 PM
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Thank you sincerely for all your efforts. But the process is irreparably shattered and we are in their crosshairs and scheduled for extermination. We are fighting a hopeless battle. I recommend we all relocate to states where battle lines cannot be breached. See y'all in Texas where I will bank over $300K more per year from my business and shoot fully auto while carrying a side arm all the day long. Focker OUT!
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Let me know if you need an employee SaltyDogUSMC......I cant wait to get out of this hellhole myself!
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No freaking kidding, I need vodka and ice, and a lot of it....
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This is truly a democracy tragedy. I called numerous times per Calguns request. I was NEVER even able to get through to a voice mail on numerous attempts. Clearly there was a significant number of constituents calling as well to express their beliefs towards these proposed laws. The fact that they ignored our plees for our representatives to actually "represent" us shows that our claimed "democracy" and "freedom" is only but a false veil. The government will continue to do whatever they want. If they go too far they will blame it on a single figurehead and we the people will reelect from the disfunctional party system expecting something different the next time.

What are we the people to do when our vote and voices mean nothing? We lost our democracy years ago.

I used to be able to talk about proposed gun laws, and other laws, however now I can't. All that comes to my minds is swear words and anger. I have realized my opinion means nothing, writing my representative means nothing, voicing my views means nothing. I do not have a representative. I have an elected dictator.

My biggest gripe here is NOT that the anti gun laws were passed. It is the fact that democracy has failed. The representatives have failed to represent their constituents as they are supposed to. Our system might be broken. The representatives no longer represent the people, and only represent their party's view points in order to get campaign funds and support....

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Old 08-30-2013, 7:34 PM
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A war Chest for an Legal action: Yes
(CALGUNS will be starting the process in time)

Giving up: NO, I won't give up and I will keep talking and visiting and meeting and calling and emailing and faxing and rallying and ANY OTHER FREAKING THING NEEDED TO WIN!

THIS IS A RIGHT, NOT A RIGHT GIVEN BY MAN and OUR LEGISLATORS ARE SPITTING ON IT. THIS IS A FOUNDATION of OUR COUNTRY and GIVING UP IS "NOT ACCEPTABLE".
Agreed. I'm new to the fight, so I have lots of energy left. I will continue to fight as long as I reside in CA, and then probably even after.
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Old 08-30-2013, 7:36 PM
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This is truly a democracy tragedy. I called numerous times per Calguns request. I was NEVER even able to get through to a voice mail on numerous attempts. Clearly there was a significant number of constituents calling as well to express their beliefs towards these proposed laws. The fact that they ignored our plees for our representatives to actually "represent" us shows that our claimed "democracy" and "freedom" is only but a false veil. The government will continue to do whatever they want. If they go too far they will blame it on a single figurehead and we the people will reelect from the disfunctional party system expecting something different the next time.

What are we the people to do when our vote and voices mean nothing? We lost our democracy years ago.

I used to be able to talk about proposed gun laws, and other laws, however now I can't. All that comes to my minds is swear words and anger. I have realized my opinion means nothing, writing my representative means nothing, voicing my views means nothing. I do not have a representative. I have an elected dictator.

My biggest gripe here is NOT that the anti gun laws were passed. It is the fact that democracy has failed. The representatives have failed to represent their constituents as they are supposed to. Our system might be broken. The representatives no longer represent the people, and only represent their party's view points in order to get campaign funds and support....
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Old 08-30-2013, 7:38 PM
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Agreed. I'm new to the fight, so I have lots of energy left. I will continue to fight as long as I reside in CA, and then probably even after.
Wasting time, bro. Save your money for a one way plane ticket back to the USA. This was never a fight. They won before this ever got to today's vote.
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Old 08-30-2013, 7:41 PM
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I am imploring any of you who are able to leave the state as quickly as you can. Because we are working tax contributors, it's our best weapon. Whose money are they going to use after we are all gone? Lets see how many liberals there are when the handouts stop.
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Old 08-30-2013, 8:30 PM
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Right now, they have ZERO fear of us.
. We MUST find a way to make them hesitate before placing these votes.
The status quo is not working.


Just my $.02, YMMV.

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I call that a $2billion idea,!!!!!! , it's such a shame that we for so long actively rely on making a change from behind our desks emailing, endless faxing and phone calls. Sure anything is better than nothing but at the same time different times call for different measures........,.

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Back on Nov. 2012 about 13 million Californians went to their local election site and voted. That's a lot of people.

Also back on Nov. 2012 there were about 8 million Californians who owned at least one firearm.

Do you think if we could get just 20% of the gun owners to actually go out and vote that we would have enough political power to stop these duplicitous
and worthless bills?

You bet we could!

By the very fact that you're reading this post you've self identified as a political outlier, those of us who pay this much attention to 2A are a tiny minuscule % of voters. Calling and contacting pols is a must, but what will really make them pay attention is growing our community, getting more gun owners to care enough to go out and vote.
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Back on Nov. 2012 about 13 million Californians went to their local election site and voted. That's a lot of people.

Also back on Nov. 2012 there were about 8 million Californians who owned at least one firearm.

Do you think if we could get just 20% of the gun owners to actually go out and vote that we would have enough political power to stop these duplicitous
and worthless bills?

You bet we could!

By the very fact that you're reading this post you've self identified as a political outlier, those of us who pay this much attention to 2A are a tiny minuscule % of voters. Calling and contacting pols is a must, but what will really make them pay attention is growing our community, getting more gun owners to care enough to go out and vote.
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I think its overdue, long overdue.

We need to whittle down the Democrat numbers regardless if they say they are 2A supporters.
Each Dem elected adds to their number and gives them majority thus controlling the Committees chairmanships and agendas.

We cannot be the same as the NRA deciding our politicians based on their 2A mumblings. We have to break the lock Democrats have on this state by decreasing the numbers of them in elected office. We ought to be fighting hard in every election in every District to get them out.

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Ok serious questions here.

I’m reading the AW law and it’s confusing.
http://leginfo.legislature.ca.gov/fa...201320140SB374

First the good stuff. Rimfire has been removed.

Now the screwy lawyer talk.
This bill would, instead, classify a semiautomatic, centerfire rifle that does not have a fixed magazine with the capacity to accept no more than 10 rounds as an assault weapon.
-> My SU-16 and PC-9 would qualify if they could not accept a magazine with more than 10 rds? There are many option for full capacity magazines for these guns.

A semiautomatic pistol with a fixed magazine that has the capacity to accept more than 10 rounds.
-> So my… Ok just about every semi-auto pistol with a detachable magazine is now an assault weapon, even my 1911?

From this it looks like I need to register my glock and 1911, but not my ARs, PC-9, and SU-16?

I'm sure that is wrong.
Centerfire rifles that don't have both: (1) a fixed magazine and (2) a magazine with a capacity of 10 or fewer rounds would become a assault weapons if 374's current form becomes law.

A fixed magazine has been redefined to be an ammunition device that requires disassembly of the firearm action to remove (no more maglocks)

So, standard PC-9s and SU-16s would have detachable magazines under new law, and thus be assault weapons.

As to your other question, pistols with detachable magazines are not pistols with fixed magazines greater than 10 rounds. It can't be both detachable and fixed at the same time. If you decide to modify your 1911 to be a fixed magazine, said magazine would have to have 10 or fewer rounds.

If you keep it in current form with detachable magazines, see the proposed 30515(a)(3)(A-D). AFAIK, those are the same qualifications for semiautomatic pistols now, so as long as your pistol does not currently require a maglock to avoid being an assault weapon, you're okay.
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The thing I don't understand is why do Democrats have to hate guns so much. Also why do people even on this site that seem to be pro 2A vote for Democrats I don't F*****g get it. CA needs balance.


I've done my best CA can GPS as far as I'm concerned.
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What about parking a hot mop truck out front of the capitol with a couple bags of feathers?

Some signs to boot.
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So if SB 374 becomes law, one would have to convert a bullet-button equipped AR-15 style centerfire rifle to become a fixed mag rifle by eliminating the button entirely? Are such conversion kits even available?
What use is a top loading rifle where you have to fumble with the action in a SHTF situation anyways....
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The thing I don't understand is why do Democrats have to hate guns so much. Also why do people even on this site that seem to be pro 2A vote for Democrats I don't F*****g get it. CA needs balance.


I've done my best CA can GPS as far as I'm concerned.
^^^ I will state the obvious - it's a corrupt scam.

It will only end when there is no more money to cover the entitlement crowd who keep the socialist dictators in power.

This state (the majority of its "occupants") has no interest in following (much less acknowledging) the basic principles that constitute "A Free People"...

When you have social dependence on Government - and an educational system that controls political power - you end up with a system that cannot sustain itself.

Welcome to Kalifornia 2014 and beyond.
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I think its overdue, long overdue.

We need to whittle down the Democrat numbers regardless if they say they are 2A supporters.
Each Dem elected adds to their number and gives them majority thus controlling the Committees chairmanships and agendas.

We cannot be the same as the NRA deciding our politicians based on their 2A mumblings. We have to break the lock Democrats have on this state by decreasing the numbers of them in elected office. We ought to be fighting hard in every election in every District to get them out.

Vick
With LA and SF overloaded with freeloading entitlement laden scumbags, your dream is already dead. The liberals have gerrymandered the boundaries to ensure a super majority of leftists in perpetuity. Until this **** hole of a state runs out of employed tax payers to bleed, the socialists will continue to dole out our money to undeserving, unemployed parasites. This is the way they will hold onto the state government forever.

We hard working people who contribute to society are now labeled the public enemy for daring to say that individuals must work for their daily bread. We pay all the bills and, ironically, are targeted for persecution and eventual extinction. But tell me, who will pay for the handouts when we are all gone?

And we know who these leeches are. They are all to easy to spot. They're the ones who are taking a **** on you while they steal your freedoms and your money. They're the ones marching and protesting when one of their kind actually gets rightfully prosecuted for their crimes. They can do that because they don't have jobs like we do.

WAKE UP. Politics and policies won't work. This state is a lost cause.

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A fixed magazine has been redefined to be an ammunition device that requires disassembly of the firearm action to remove (no more maglocks)
Correction: No more bullet buttons. At least as we now know them. "Loose lips" and all, so I'll have to leave it at that.

They can keep re-defining a "fixed magazine", and we'll keep finding ways to comply with their laws while still keeping our guns... or in their words, we'll "exploit loopholes and flout the spirit of the law". This is inevitable, because of the simple fact that, A) We know guns better than they do, and B) We're just smarter across the board.
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What about parking a hot mop truck out front of the capitol with a couple bags of feathers?

Some signs to boot.
I cant stand occupoo (ignorant self rightious kooks that think their point is more important than social normalcy)...

So even though I dont have the absolute solution to the multi-faceted problem - I strongly believe taking the "Im more important" stance is not the resolve...

I understand the emotional desire to be understood... But personally I ignore crap like that as much as Facebook and Twitter.

* please note - the words were purposeful - they clearly state "my" perception on the whole of things... Ive never been one to insist others must agree. (I suppose I should put that in my Sig)
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Wow these idiots don't really care about the facts, it's looks like all these people agree with each other and already had decided that they will pass all these bills , so none of calls, emails, letters matter cuz they are all in it to ban weapons.
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Ya know....If I receive another B***s**t email from the NRA telling me how "They're on the run...we're winning" I'm going to terminate my Life Membership. Really...what has the NRA done for CA lately? Absolutely nothing I feel. What a F'in crock. The almighty Pro 2nd amendment organizations have left CA in the dust. I donated a size-able amount of money to many organizations when all the chaos began and where is CA now...? More F'd than ever. With the items "Ya'd" today firearms that I purchased well over 30 years ago will become "Illegal" as well as their magazines that are original.

I am not in a position to leave CA do to career and family but frankly I'm tired. We can all continue to fool ourselves but the reality is we will never win. Drive down any street in the SFV and look at the constituents...

I rest my case...

If legislation was passed limiting Senator terms etc. etc. then maybe...
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Ya know....If I receive another B***s**t email from the NRA telling me how "They're on the run...we're winning" I'm going to terminate my Life Membership. Really...what has the NRA done for CA lately? Absolutely nothing I feel. What a F'in crock. The almighty Pro 2nd amendment organizations have left CA in the dust. I donated a size-able amount of money to many organizations when all the chaos began and where is CA now...? More F'd than ever. With the items "Ya'd" today firearms that I purchased well over 30 years ago will become "Illegal" as well as their magazines that are original.

I am not in a position to leave CA do to career and family but frankly I'm tired. We can all continue to fool ourselves but the reality is we will never win. Drive down any street in the SFV and look at the constituents...

I rest my case...

If legislation was passed limiting Senator terms etc. etc. then maybe...
I could not agree more. I have donated hundreds and hundreds to the NRA over the years and it really seems like they are doing NOTHING for California. Like you, I am about ****ing over giving them my money, just a bunch of BS lies.
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Ya know....If I receive another B***s**t email from the NRA telling me how "They're on the run...we're winning" I'm going to terminate my Life Membership. Really...what has the NRA done for CA lately? Absolutely nothing I feel. What a F'in crock. The almighty Pro 2nd amendment organizations have left CA in the dust. I donated a size-able amount of money to many organizations when all the chaos began and where is CA now...? More F'd than ever. With the items "Ya'd" today firearms that I purchased well over 30 years ago will become "Illegal" as well as their magazines that are original.

I am not in a position to leave CA do to career and family but frankly I'm tired. We can all continue to fool ourselves but the reality is we will never win. Drive down any street in the SFV and look at the constituents...

I rest my case...

If legislation was passed limiting Senator terms etc. etc. then maybe...
Exactly right on all points

The NRA has abandoned us in favor of membership dues and marketing their merchandise.

And yes, just use your eyes to discern who these liberal constituents are. Are they anything like you? Um, no. The lines are drawn and the die is cast. Wake up and prepare.
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Just look at the Senior Members cut to the core and waking from the delusion that the NRA has perpetrated on us. I'm cancelling my membership tomorrow.
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So I m confused ... If we already own a so called AW can we legally own them still? Does it only apply to transfers?
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Need to vent.

It's kind of over for now. What did you guys expect with politicians like Mr. Wieckowski? I single him out for a reason: http://votesmart.org/candidate/71025...P#.UiGLhxvPd8E

I'm a former client of this, and sadly, I got a taste of his inept attitude toward his clients, and people in general. During my consultation (right after the financial melt down), he was more interested in pointing out flaws in my financials often cracking jokes (condescending in nature) at what I consider poor and circumstantial mistakes of the past. At one point, he decided that my endeavors of running a personal business should have been called an "expensive hobby". He also failed to adequately explain the chapter 13 intricacies, and many details were glossed over. His response to me? I was an "abuser of the system".

I mean come on, with people like that in legislature, what the hell do you expect to see? He, and I can only imagine, the clones have zero interest in the minority. Let's not forget folks, this system accommodates the majority of the herd. There really isn't any rationale to it. They are not interested in your opinion, and sadly, they all think that we are abusers of the system.

I'm not a defeatist, but I also see the signs (in plain text) on the wall. I donate, but that won't preserve my already diminished rights.

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To my limits as a man and American!first and foremost,and as far as my resources allow,i am in this to win this.Time to take out a unwarranted,though slightly understandable,discrimination and civic and moral mis-agenda.Why is bankrupt moral and spiritual values,whatever they may be,again according to our Constitution,left to rot in the wind, but all kinds of weird/unnatural fads and trends are encouraged.Why is masculinity frowned on now?Basically what's up with us as a people and nation?That is both the essence and extreme simultaneously of this matter...Freedom,and the responsibilities AND Rights therein accrued,including the power to think for ourselves.Firearms are just the smoking gun.
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The thing I don't understand is why do Democrats have to hate guns so much. Also why do people even on this site that seem to be pro 2A vote for Democrats I don't F*****g get it. CA needs balance.


I've done my best CA can GPS as far as I'm concerned.
It's not the guns they fear. It's the power they represent.

If we have firearms we can overthrow them... If not, we are simply slaves.
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This is truly a democracy tragedy. I called numerous times per Calguns request. I was NEVER even able to get through to a voice mail on numerous attempts. Clearly there was a significant number of constituents calling as well to express their beliefs towards these proposed laws. The fact that they ignored our plees for our representatives to actually "represent" us shows that our claimed "democracy" and "freedom" is only but a false veil. The government will continue to do whatever they want. If they go too far they will blame it on a single figurehead and we the people will reelect from the disfunctional party system expecting something different the next time.

What are we the people to do when our vote and voices mean nothing? We lost our democracy years ago.

I used to be able to talk about proposed gun laws, and other laws, however now I can't. All that comes to my minds is swear words and anger. I have realized my opinion means nothing, writing my representative means nothing, voicing my views means nothing. I do not have a representative. I have an elected dictator.

My biggest gripe here is NOT that the anti gun laws were passed. It is the fact that democracy has failed. The representatives have failed to represent their constituents as they are supposed to. Our system might be broken. The representatives no longer represent the people, and only represent their party's view points in order to get campaign funds and support....
No offense but I have to gently correct you.

The United States, at least in my memory, is NOT a Democracy. We are a Constitutional Republic.

That was by design of the Founders.

A Democracy means the majority rule. A Constitutional Republic means the system of government is protected against undue influence by the minority or the majority.

Everyone is equal under the law.
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I love living in California, I just hate California.
Could not have said this more perfectly.
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Ya know....If I receive another B***s**t email from the NRA telling me how "They're on the run...we're winning" I'm going to terminate my Life Membership. Really...what has the NRA done for CA lately? Absolutely nothing I feel. What a F'in crock. The almighty Pro 2nd amendment organizations have left CA in the dust. I donated a size-able amount of money to many organizations when all the chaos began and where is CA now...? More F'd than ever. With the items "Ya'd" today firearms that I purchased well over 30 years ago will become "Illegal" as well as their magazines that are original.

I am not in a position to leave CA do to career and family but frankly I'm tired. We can all continue to fool ourselves but the reality is we will never win. Drive down any street in the SFV and look at the constituents...

I rest my case...

If legislation was passed limiting Senator terms etc. etc. then maybe...
You work "in" the government or "for" the government... The terms are no longer what they were intended to be...

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Could not have said this more perfectly.
Its backwards... I love CA - just hate living in it.
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