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Old 08-21-2013, 2:09 PM
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Default PS32 thermal monocular ok for hunting in Ca?

I have read allot of conflicting information on this subject and it all boils down to not being attached to the firearm.

Without getting into the night vision topic, can a person use a thermal handheld unit to track game animals?
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No......sorry only the 2 legged animals
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Old 08-21-2013, 2:51 PM
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As long as you're not attempting to actually shoot the animal outside of legal shooting hours, then why not?
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Don't give out BS info I don't have time to search the regs but you cannot use any thermal optics for hunting day or night
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Don't give out BS info I don't have time to search the regs but you cannot use any thermal optics for hunting day or night
yes, but it's not that cut and dry. If you shoot an animal, thermal can be used to locate the body provided the hunt is over and the guns are put away. This came directly from a wardens mouth.

The other way it could be used is in regards to depredation permits upon review of the game warden.
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This regulation is in the state firearms law. It says something like we can't use any night vision that magnifies the view or if it uses inferred or internal amplifed light, something like that. It isn't in the fish and game code, generall the code is outdated and form the 50's of 60's. Someone will look it up.
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I think this is the thread:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=341895
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(c) It is unlawful to use or possess at any time any infrared or similar light used in connection with an electronic viewing device or any night vision equipment, optical devices, including, but not limited to, binoculars or scopes, that use light-amplifying circuits that are electrical or battery powered, to assist in the taking of birds, mammals, amphibians, or fish.
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There it is there..... NVG's or infra red can't be used for hunting. 'Nuff said.
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There it is there..... NVG's or infra red can't be used for hunting. 'Nuff said.
Nvg and infrared are not the same as thermal imaging, different technologies. Not trying to advocate either way just pointing it out.
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yes, but it's not that cut and dry. If you shoot an animal, thermal can be used to locate the body provided the hunt is over and the guns are put away. This came directly from a wardens mouth.

The other way it could be used is in regards to depredation permits upon review of the game warden.
even if one warden stated that i still wouldnt feel comfortable, just saying.
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Update your location in your profile ^

It might help someone get you a phone number to the warden that runs the zone you plan on hunting.

Some people interpret the law differently, and talking directly to whoever runs your area might help avoid a headache.
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Don't use it, weather its legal or not. Its morally wrong to hunt for sport with a thermal imager. Use your eyes.
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Don't use it, weather its legal or not. Its morally wrong to hunt for sport with a thermal imager. Use your eyes.
Guess all those guys with game cams better ditch them aye? Using anything other than your eyes is immoral.
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What about just using it for preseason scouting since you wouldn't actually be "taking" any game?

I've always thought it would be interesting to go out with one a night during the warmer months when most stuff isn't moving around till after dark because of the heat, and just see what's moving around and where.
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What about just using it for preseason scouting since you wouldn't actually be "taking" any game?

I've always thought it would be interesting to go out with one a night during the warmer months when most stuff isn't moving around till after dark because of the heat, and just see what's moving around and where.
at that point you aren't hunting so your fine. all of the rules apply to when you are actually hunting.
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Don't use it, weather its legal or not. Its morally wrong to hunt for sport with a thermal imager. Use your eyes.
how about binocs or scopes?
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even if one warden stated that i still wouldnt feel comfortable, just saying.
yes I tend to agree, however if the warden was in the field at the moment it was being used in this manner and was fine with it, I'd be fine with it at that moment also.

As a general rule, i think it's best to make it obvious if you are hunting or not hunting to help clear up any gray area.
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Guess all those guys with game cams better ditch them aye? Using anything other than your eyes is immoral.
Yeah, I don't use them either, but I did'nt say anything about game cams did I?

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how about binocs or scopes?
I use open sights and a lever gun, but I didn't say anything about binos or scopes either did I? The topic was a thermal imager, but I guess you guys just jumped to the conclusion that I somehow meant all optics.
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Yeah, I don't use them either, but I did'nt say anything about game cams did I?
I use open sights and a lever gun, but I didn't say anything about binos or scopes either did I? The topic was a thermal imager, but I guess you guys just jumped to the conclusion that I somehow meant all optics.
Those conclusions are jumped to because you said "just use your eyes". I'm not sure if you understand thermal imaging or not, but it still involves your eyes. At the end of the day, thermals, binocs, scopes, and even your iron sites are all tools that involve your eyes.

I think most people here understand that the point you are probably trying to make is that thermals may be too easy to find game animals and might not give the game a "fair chance". At the same time, saying that one viewing tool is somehow morally wrong while other viewing tools are perfectly fine, doesn't make sense. Moral codes are a personal thing, and should logically be applied to the idea of whether or not a game animal should be killed or not. Not so much the tools used in the process of finding them.
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Yeah, I don't use them either, but I did'nt say anything about game cams did I?



I use open sights and a lever gun, but I didn't say anything about binos or scopes either did I? The topic was a thermal imager, but I guess you guys just jumped to the conclusion that I somehow meant all optics.
You said "use your eyes", seems like that statement would exclude anything that isn't your eyes wouldn't it?

I fail to see how using a thermal imager to LOCATE game, not hunt or shoot at, but LOCATE game, is any different then using bino's or a spotting scope to locate game that are to far away to see with the naked eye.

I'm sure thoughout history as new tech came available their was always some old dude spouting off about how using the new tech was unsportsman like. There was prolly some old dude once with a kentucky long rifle giving some guy crap about hunting with that new fangled repeating lever gun. "You should only need one shot anyway you young whipper snapper!"
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Yeah, you guys are right. I don't think thermal imagers are fair unless you're hunting ghosts or bigfoot, but thats just my opinion..
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I've ran into a warden with a night vision mono around my neck so I can look for cats on the way to my stand in pitch dark. Maybe he didn't know what it was or? The range on it is pretty short.
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Don't use it, weather its legal or not. Its morally wrong to hunt for sport with a thermal imager. Use your eyes.
See, that's exactly what I don't understand about why it's not legal.
I'm just getting back into hunting after about a 15 year break, this time around I can afford toys, so I'm interested in all these topics.
Morally wrong? I would think just the opposite, more "humane" as you can take heart or lung shots with greater probability so the animal doesn't suffer. So to me, it being illegal is a bit of a contradiction in regards to some of the anti-gun/hunting communities complaints.
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Somebody has been playing deer hunter 2014 too much! Most of the thermal imaging units I have played around with just show shades if gray with bright white as the hot spots or shades of green with the brightest as the hotspot. Not really any definition as to where individual vitals would be.
I do know that in many states, the use of night vision and thermal vision is NOT allowed, wether it be attached to the rifle or not.
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wesblake, welcome!

I think if you think it thru you'll come up with why its not legal........safety & fair chase should get you there

Now in GA they allow it with silencers and all the works for feral pigs in some counties
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two different standards being compared here.
calif fish & game (oh yeah i did) laws are already posted here.

the other standard is "fair chase". fair chase would not permit anything electronic while hunting. that device used for game recovery or to give aggro piece of mind wouldn't be "hunting" nor would game cams used for scouting.

it's a to "each his own" i guess , i know i don't use walkie talkies, cb's, scopes that require batteries or range finders while hunting. a gps in my fanny pack is to get home if needed.

sport hunting isn't about looking for yet another advantage, it's about getting good enough at it to pile on another disadvantage to keep things challenging and sporting.imo
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Don't use it, weather its legal or not. Its morally wrong to hunt for sport with a thermal imager. Use your eyes.
The moral arguement is a personal choice, many peoples moral code only allows them to hunt with a bow. Or a recurve, not a compound bow. Its all personal choice. Now the law is a different matter completely. You could potentially use it for preseason scouting.


I own one and use it for work on a regular bases. You can look through walls and see the framing as it has a different temperature than the surrounding material. Fun tool/ toy.
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Yup. Don't even think about using that.
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