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Old 03-22-2016, 6:11 PM
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With my new reloading setup I'm interested in offsetting my cost by making ammo and selling the calibers I don't shoot (.45 mostly and some 9mm I do shoot). But I'm not a business. I read the Sticky from the admins and I want to be sure not to step on the toes of legitimate businesses allowed to advertise.

Does anyone know the mysterious threshold for a small-timer like us for selling completed ammo here? I've purchased a bunch of supplies and I enjoy reloading, but I'll have too much for years to come if I attempt to use it all myself. I'd rather not sell off individual supplies though.

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You might want to check with the state first as your are selling ammo that you make. That may make you a manufacturer and require licensing.

Then I would check with you insurance man about liability coverage in case something goes wrong. I would also check with your homeowners insurance policy on running a business manufacturing ammo out of your home.

Don't forget to check with the city/County on their coding of an ammo mfg.

Lastly, pm a mod and ask them. Making something to sell makes you a vendor. Selling your own stuff does not.

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You might want to check with the state first as your are selling ammo that you make. That may make you a manufacturer and require licensing.

Then I would check with you insurance man about liability coverage in case something goes wrong. I would also check with your homeowners insurance policy on running a business manufacturing ammo out of your home.

Don't forget to check with the city/County on their coding of an ammo mfg.

Lastly, pm a mod and ask them. Making something to sell makes you a vendor. Selling your own stuff does not.

Of course, I could be wrong about everything.

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What you're saying makes a lot of sense. I did up my umbrella insurance at home, but it looks like maybe I have more to consider. Otherwise more people would be doing it, I'm sure.

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I have a Dremel tool and am interested in starting a mobile dentistry. I just want to make back some of the money I spent on little itty bitty rolls of sandpaper.
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I have a Dremel tool and am interested in starting a mobile dentistry. I just want to make back some of the money I spent on little itty bitty rolls of sandpaper.
Funny. I unfortunately got bit by the bug and I now have 25k of projectiles alone... And one very pissed-off ups crew!

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I have a Dremel tool and am interested in starting a mobile dentistry. I just want to make back some of the money I spent on little itty bitty rolls of sandpaper.
seems legit.

OP Even if everything else lined up, i dont many people who would buy and shoot some guys ammo he reloaded in his garage. Just my thought...
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I have a Dremel tool and am interested in starting a mobile dentistry. I just want to make back some of the money I spent on little itty bitty rolls of sandpaper.
LOL!

Let me know how it works out.

I have a lot of diamond bits for my Dremel, an extension flex shaft, some strong pliers, and a large rubber mallet.

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Funny. I unfortunately got bit by the bug and I now have 25k of projectiles alone... And one very pissed-off ups crew!

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Been there. You could sell some of your projectiles to recoup some of your investment. Or, hold on to them and wait to see what panic ensues in the next 9 months. You might double your money.

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You need a type 06 FFL liscense
You have to pay Federal excise tax
You need liability insurance that starts at @2500 per year

If your still interested then continue forward and research your city and county requirements
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Hey OP if you wanna sell some of your stock to recoup some of your money I'd be interested in buying a bunch of components from you. Just got into reloading myself and still need a bunch of components to get started... Let me know and I'll shoot you a PM, thanks!
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You need a type 06 FFL liscense
You have to pay Federal excise tax
You need liability insurance that starts at @2500 per year

If your still interested then continue forward and research your city and county requirements
Well, there goes my dreams of being a small-time Bay Area ammo mogul.

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OP---Malthusian has it right.
Like he said after you do those things you will have to meet state, county, local rules before you can start.
I will also remind you that do to otherwise is illegal and ATF as well as other agencies will not like it.
Then there is the whole thing about a max of 20 pounds of powder that you can have at any time. Not counting what is loaded into ammo. I am not sure but there may be a max number of primers also.

Besides 25K of bullets is not that many. I thought, at first, you had a whole lot of bullets. Just keep what you have and shoot them. If you bought supplies for a caliber/cartridge you do not own a firearm for the no big deal. Many of us have done that. Just buy a firearm to use the supplies you have in.

Then again you could sell some of the components and chalk it up to learning. Best to learn to walk before you try running.

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OP---Malthusian has it right.
Like he said after you do those things you will have to meet state, county, local rules before you can start.
I will also remind you that do to otherwise is illegal and ATF as well as other agencies will not like it.
Then there is the whole thing about a max of 20 pounds of powder that you can have at any time. Not counting what is loaded into ammo. I am not sure but there may be a max number of primers also.

Besides 25K of bullets is not that many. I thought, at first, you had a whole lot of bullets. Just keep what you have and shoot them. If you bought supplies for a caliber/cartridge you do not own a firearm for the no big deal. Many of us have done that. Just buy a firearm to use the supplies you have in.

Then again you could sell some of the components and chalk it up to learning. Best to learn to walk before you try running.

OP---136 posts is not considered contributing yet on this forum
As far as contributing, I mean that I gave money to CG. I'm only willing to publicly admit to the 25k for reasons you stated. All good information though, I appreciate it! I'm learning a lot here.

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No. Our consultation fees are outside of that.

Are you more afraid of the gov finding out or your wife? ;-)

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Here's a good read for you about reloading

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With my new reloading setup I'm interested in offsetting my cost by making ammo and selling the calibers I don't shoot (.45 mostly and some 9mm I do shoot). But I'm not a business. I read the Sticky from the admins and I want to be sure not to step on the toes of legitimate businesses allowed to advertise.

Does anyone know the mysterious threshold for a small-timer like us for selling completed ammo here? I've purchased a bunch of supplies and I enjoy reloading, but I'll have too much for years to come if I attempt to use it all myself. I'd rather not sell off individual supplies though.

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Had the exact same idea at one point here in Nevada. and this is what I learned.
FFL required to manufacture ammo.
1,000,000 (million) dollar liability insurance.
Umbrella insurance does not cover.
5,000 annual business/tax fee.
Home must be approved for business and land owner must approve of the type of business.
There was some more stuff also but that was enough for me to change my mind immediately.
As suggested if you have too much then sell at a good price and recoup money that way. projectiles and brass is the way to go as primers and powder require hazmst to ship

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Here's a good read for you about reloading

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What about eye surgery?
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Are you more afraid of the gov finding out or your wife? ;-)

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seems legit.

OP Even if everything else lined up, i dont many people who would buy and shoot some guys ammo he reloaded in his garage. Just my thought...
Seriously.

You cannot legally sell your reloads without the proper FFL.
That is going to involve a business license and all of the BS that goes with it, assuming your city will even grant it.

Then the insurance that you will want to be separate from your homeowner policy, because when one of your customers has a round fail to go into battery and happens to be overcharged and blows his gun and half of his hand apart, your insurance is not going to be sufficient and your home will be at risk.


No... Selling reloads is not going to offset the few hundred that you spent on the equipment
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https://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/...d.php?t=314780
Yep... Good read... and not just the beginning, but the whole story about Freakshow and how many customers got screwed when he kept taking orders (and money) and couldn't meet demand but spent the money.

Yep... Excellent article on how to get started in the business... and an excellent example of how not to run a business.

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No problem, I got the multipack that goes from 80 grit to 240. If people would just hold still and quit being such big babies I could probably get to the second eye on the same day.
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No problem, I got the multipack that goes from 80 grit to 240. If people would just hold still and quit being such big babies I could probably get to the second eye on the same day.
I don't see this working out TBH. Yukyukyuk

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I hate whiners. Good luck with that. Maybe you need better restraints.
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This is all very good info everyone. I'm effectively talked of the ledge in regards to selling ammo this way. I'll eventually use and/or sell the undisclosed fortune I've spent thus far and perhaps practice a little more moderation going forward. I will admit that every time AR runs out of demilled brass and projectiles, you have me to largely thank, perhaps. My apologies. 😉

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.. this turned out to be another silly thread..
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.. this turned out to be another silly thread..
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This is not a silly thread. TKM is going into 3d dentistry and eye surgery.

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What about eye surgery?
Funny you mention that, I have a large investment in sharp sticks and I've been thinking about recovering some of it by getting into eye jabs. I started loosing interest when I began reading that most everything was better than a jab in the eye with a sharp stick. Seems like a hard sell...
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Funny you mention that, I have a large investment in sharp sticks and I've been thinking about recovering some of it by getting into eye jabs. I started loosing interest when I began reading that most everything was better than a jab in the eye with a sharp stick. Seems like a hard sell...
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Another thing to remember about bullets is there is not much money in making them if you do not have good sources of raw materials.

Same goes with all the rest of the stuff. If however you just inherited a lead farm and have 800 million tons to sell off in the next 50+ years, well, start buying your ballisticast machines...

That one guy had it right. Freakshow i think his name was. From what I read a bit, he was a good guy to watch and learn from his mistakes.
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Old 03-23-2016, 6:52 AM
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Indeed they are.

Another thing to remember about bullets is there is not much money in making them if you do not have good sources of raw materials.

Same goes with all the rest of the stuff. If however you just inherited a lead farm and have 800 million tons to sell off in the next 50+ years, well, start buying your ballisticast machines...

That one guy had it right. Freakshow i think his name was. From what I read a bit, he was a good guy to watch and learn from his mistakes.
No lead farm... Yet. But I do have a bunch of batteries I was going to send off to the recyclers. After buying my smelter I'll take what I need from them and store the lead for when SHTF in CA.

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Old 03-23-2016, 6:58 AM
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With my new reloading setup I'm interested in offsetting my cost by making ammo and selling the calibers I don't shoot (.45 mostly and some 9mm I do shoot). But I'm not a business. I read the Sticky from the admins and I want to be sure not to step on the toes of legitimate businesses allowed to advertise.

Does anyone know the mysterious threshold for a small-timer like us for selling completed ammo here? I've purchased a bunch of supplies and I enjoy reloading, but I'll have too much for years to come if I attempt to use it all myself. I'd rather not sell off individual supplies though.

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First off I would NEVER buy reloads from an individual...Unless you carry insurance so when your double charge blows up my gun you will pay for it.

Secondly, There are regulations to running a business and I doubt in the east bay you would be able to do this in a residential neighborhood.

Finally, How much money do you think you can make? I doubt it would be worth the time or effort. I certainly wouldn't pay retail for reloads.
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No lead farm... Yet. But I do have a bunch of batteries I was going to send off to the recyclers. After buying my smelter I'll take what I need from them and store the lead for when SHTF in CA.

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Do not use battery lead. There are too many toxic issues with that lead. The only thing you could get off of them is the top lug and that will make a bullet or two. Not worth it... Ask Stilly
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Old 03-23-2016, 8:24 AM
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OP's endeavor into selling ammo isn't completely off the wall. One of my buddy's started selling ammo ages ago with with Star reloaders, then progressed to commercial Camdex Automated reloading machines, then started to manufacture his own bullets with a custom made automatic machine. He sold a few million rounds a year, but the bottom line is that he started in his garage.

Yes, he said overhead was expensive with all the insurance and licensing, but he made his hobby a lucrative business. He finally sold his business and retired. Some of the older Calgunners might remember him, Rocky Bannister. He owned and operated his manufacturing business in Newark, Ca on Rich Street.

I used to hang out at his shop so often as a kid that he finally let me hang out in the back and help out sometimes and he would kick down some ammo or components every so often. That's how I learned to reload...unfortunately I had to load off of manual reloaders instead of turning on Camdex machines and monitoring them for component levels as they automatically loaded tens of thousands of rounds each session.
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No lead farm... Yet. But I do have a bunch of batteries I was going to send off to the recyclers. After buying my smelter I'll take what I need from them and store the lead for when SHTF in CA.

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Please set your smelter up as close as you can to the nearest liberal progressive... Tell them the colored yellow fumes will set them free and it is as natural a high as you can get, so breathe in deeply.

And if they ask why you have a full face respirator say it is because you work with planes and are not allowed to even drink, let alone have a good free and natural high on your days off, so remind them again to breathe in deeply...
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