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Old 08-14-2013, 6:26 PM
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My wife has trouble racking the slide on any 9mm(or 380) that I've had her try. I've heard from numerous people that it is the technique that is wrong, but I've tried to teach her with videos that describe the "correct" way and I cant find what's wrong with her technique.

I'm at a loss. I don't want her carrying anything smaller than a 9mm, and I don't want her carrying a revolver (because of the capacity limitations; 10 rounds is bad enough without cutting it in half) She can shoot my Berretta just fine, and can rack the slide with difficulty, but finds it too heavy and bulky for her taste. The smaller guns are even harder to rack, and come with more recoil.

Any tips? Anyone in Sacramento area want to take her shooting and let her try out some different 9mm's? (I can provide her with ammo if your guns don't mind steel cases)


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Is she trying to do it "over the top", or "slingshot"?
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If she's still having problems with "over the top", Have her try "pushing" the gun forward with her strong hand instead of "pulling" with her weak hand. Just hold the slide and move the grip frame instead of the slide.
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My wife has trouble racking the slide on any 9mm(or 380) that I've had her try. I've heard from numerous people that it is the technique that is wrong, but I've tried to teach her with videos that describe the "correct" way and I cant find what's wrong with her technique. I'm at a loss. I don't want her carrying anything smaller than a 9mm, and I don't want her carrying a revolver (because of the capacity limitations; 10 rounds is bad enough without cutting it in half) She can shoot my Berretta just fine, and can rack the slide with difficulty, but finds it too heavy and bulky for her taste. The smaller guns are even harder to rack, and come with more recoil.

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A thanks in response to this post is quite unlikely, but it must be said nonetheless. It would seem that you're determining the gun she should carry, which would naturally create problems when the intended user discovers the piece is incompatible with her physique.

Perhaps a clean sheet approach should be taken to solve this problem. We begin by escorting her to the gun counter, and then departing forthwith to permit the end-user some say in the selection process.
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"over the top". We tried the pushing thing, but she was still having trouble, especially remembering to let go of the slide and not ride it forward. I don't think it's entirely a strength thing, but I don't know.


I'm not choosing her gun. I'm having her try every semi automatic in our price range that is in a manageable caliber, and still large enough to stop threats reliably. I'm not willing to trust her life with a gun I wouldn't carry myself for defense. Chauvinistic? Controlling? I don't think so.
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There is nothing wrong with a revolver. If her semi-auto handgun jams in some sort of life threatening altercation then she MUST be able to clear the jam. If not, bad things can happen.
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an additional plus to a revolver is that with factor ammunition, malfunctions are near-nonexistent, and a revolver is also impossible to limpwrist.

Yes, revolvers have their limitations and require practice, but they are still a competent carry piece.
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There are no 10 round 9mm revolvers.
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Yes I know. I said revolvers do have limitations. But they also have many advantages as well.

In addition, there aren't an abundance of carry-sized 9mm handguns that carry 10 rounds. Most of the smaller autos ideal for carry (Kahr, Ruger LC9, etc) have a magazine capacity of 7 or less. Ofcourse there are a few exceptions like the Glock 26 and the SW M&P compact
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Most semi-auto handguns are oversprung from the factory.

You should look at getting a lighter recoil spring for the gun that will still allow it to function as designed.

For example, most 1911s get shipped with a 16# spring. A 12# spring is more than adequate to insure proper function. Imagine a 25% reduction in the effort to rack the slide.
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Drop me a PM and I'll be happy to take a look at her technique, I've never encountered anyone, who I've instructed, (from 10-63) who couldn't rack the slide using the proper technique
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a six shot revolver is better than a 15 round gun that she cant operate.
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"over the top". We tried the pushing thing, but she was still having trouble, especially remembering to let go of the slide and not ride it forward. I don't think it's entirely a strength thing, but I don't know.


I'm not choosing her gun. I'm having her try every semi automatic in our price range that is in a manageable caliber, and still large enough to stop threats reliably. I'm not willing to trust her life with a gun I wouldn't carry myself for defense. Chauvinistic? Controlling? I don't think so.
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OP, if the weapon is a pistol it doesn't have "stopping power" . I don't care what number is engraved on the barrel. There are hardened thugs walking around with rifle caliber holes in their bodies. Shot placement is the only category which determines "stopping power", not the number stamped on your ammo box.
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OP, if the weapon is a pistol it doesn't have "stopping power" . I don't care what number is engraved on the barrel. There are hardened thugs walking around with rifle caliber holes in their bodies. Shot placement is the only category which determines "stopping power", not the number stamped on your ammo box.
So is $10 grand.

So you'd be perfectly comfortable carrying a .22 pistol as your primary SD weapon given a 9mm? I see. Obviously shot placement is important, but so is tissue displacement. Anything less than 9 doesn't make a big enough hole IMHO.
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So get her a nice 38. Five shots no malfunctions easy to use.
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So you'd be perfectly comfortable carrying a .22 pistol as your primary SD weapon given a 9mm? I see. Obviously shot placement is important, but so is tissue displacement. Anything less than 9 doesn't make a big enough hole IMHO.

I think the issue here is - is it better to have a gun she can use be it a revolver or .38 or whatever vs. a 9mm semi-auto that she is unable to operate?

If she can't operate the 9mm, then you guys have to go with the next best alternative, yes? And, truthfully, I wouldn't put so much stock into 10 rds vs. 5. If she's in an emergency situation and struggles to operate a 9mm semi-auto, then what good is it? I'd rather her have 5 rounds that go bang than 1 round go bang and then have a jam that she can't clear.......
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I understand that revolvers are reliable and simple. I don't like the limited capacity. You guys are completely ignoring the multiple attacker argument
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I understand that revolvers are reliable and simple. I don't like the limited capacity. You guys are completely ignoring the multiple attacker argument

Well, keep shopping. I'm sure you'll find something that fits her.
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Most 5 shot .38 that come to mind are snubbies. They are difficult to shoot well

Some things are better left to others to teach to a spouse.

You are an equal with your spouse and not a coach.

Sometimes letting them try all of the actions at a store will help them find something that they are comfortable with and will use.

A previous girlfriend could not rack the slide on a Glock 19.
She ended up buyin a used HK full size.

She could run te slide and with small hands she found the grip to her liking.
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I understand that revolvers are reliable and simple. I don't like the limited capacity. You guys are completely ignoring the multiple attacker argument
Realistically I would expect the other attacker to flee when his buddy takes one in the guts. Also if its a multiple attacker worst case scenario yada yada. She could have 30 rounds of 45 and it probably won't help.
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Realistically I would expect the other attacker to flee when his buddy takes one in the guts. Also if its a multiple attacker worst case scenario yada yada. She could have 30 rounds of 45 and it probably won't help.
But more rounds rarely hurt on your side. She seemed to not mind the idea fo a full sized. The only issues are weight (which isn't too much of a problem) and concealability, which I manage with my px4 WITHOUT purse. Purse carry isn't ideal either, but it's an option.
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Haha. Made me think of a little old lady pulling a 44 out of a purse
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We're hoping she's not trying to rack using her thumb and index finger from behind the slide, pinky down. Won't work. Also, I can't see why the size of the caliber is going to make a difference in how the slide operates....

First I must say that racking a slide is about leverage, not strength. It she isn't pulling against some rigid surface ( a locked elbow and wrist, or elbow braced on ribs if absolutely necessary.) If she's holding it too far away from her body, it won't work. When I got my first Glock, I couldn't rack it five times in a row either or work the slide release. Was almost in tears from frustration. I had to practice (dry fire with snap caps) on the sofa for a week and build up some muscle in the right places. I still remove the slide kinda funny, but it comes off. Hands that type for a living have great flexibility and stamina but not so much strength.

When I rack semi automatics, I grip the slide between the base of my palm and my finger tips. In order to do this, I need the gun at a 45 degree angle to my body, which means I turn slightly to the right, to keep the muzzle down range. When I'm tired, I might brace my right elbow to my body for extra stability and leverage. It may not look perfect but you do what you have to do, to get the job done. And they rack every single time and damned quickly. I do it this way not because I'm so dainty and girly, but because I'm older than God and my hands and wrists are cranky.

Please, please stop "getting" her a gun. Let her choose one she can comfortably operate. You can be in the car listening to the ball game while she does this. The best place to do that is River City Gun Exchange, they have about every handgun around and they're real good about letting potential buyers handle them. Don't go there on a Tuesday morning or a Saturday, they're mobbed. I like 2 pm on Thursdays and it's worth taking an afternoon off. It's really best if she tries everything that looks interesting, selects a gun with the help of a competent salesperson and pays for it her own very self. They're mostly ex-cops there, they like women shooters and they won't sell her something that isn't right. She does this all by herself. It creates a lot of ownership and pride in her selection. And if she's anything like me, she'd die before saying she bought something she really couldn't handle.

If she won't do it alone, buy me lunch or coffee and I'll go with her. You can give final approval just before the credit cards come out.

The best solution is to put here with a competent instructor and an assortment of available guns, who can diagnose and correct the situation. PM me and I can tell you some who sells instruction time in 2 hour increments for a very reasonable price. You can both have a lesson once the racking problem is solved. Again, you sit in the car and listen to the ball game while the racking diagnosis is going on. Really.

PM me with some choices of weekend mornings at Sac Valley and I'll look at what she's doing, look at the guns, try to rack 'em myself and if all else fails, I can rustle up an instructor for a 15 minute freebie.
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I offered my thoughts and the OP didn't seem to care for my answer. That was my polite way of bowing out of the conversation.
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Have her try racking while wearing gloves (Mechanix or similar brands). This is what I did with my wife and it helped her with her grip until she got the technique down and now can do it without the gloves.
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Have her try racking while wearing gloves (Mechanix or similar brands). This is what I did with my wife and it helped her with her grip until she got the technique down and now can do it without the gloves.
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My wife had the same issue. She just kept at it and finally realized that it's easier when she pushes with her strong hand and pulls the slide back with her weak hand. Practice makes perfect. She'll get it, just keep at it.
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I don't pull the slide at all. its all about the push away.

a gun that she can use is better than a gun that she can't use.
in an emergency situation she is going to panic as will most of us, male or female. having the extra supposed round capacity isn't going to mean anything if they're already on her because she couldn't rack the slide.

take BonnieB up on her offer. and let your wife make her own decisions about what she needs. I understand your concern for her but if she can't operate the slide when it really matters then those extra rounds are simply useless.
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Such a friendly informative well-written reply. Thank you. I once heard Tom Gresham of GunTalk Radio give the very same advice.

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We're hoping she's not trying to rack using her thumb and index finger from behind the slide, pinky down. Won't work. Also, I can't see why the size of the caliber is going to make a difference in how the slide operates....

First I must say that racking a slide is about leverage, not strength. It she isn't pulling against some rigid surface ( a locked elbow and wrist, or elbow braced on ribs if absolutely necessary.) If she's holding it too far away from her body, it won't work. When I got my first Glock, I couldn't rack it five times in a row either or work the slide release. Was almost in tears from frustration. I had to practice (dry fire with snap caps) on the sofa for a week and build up some muscle in the right places. I still remove the slide kinda funny, but it comes off. Hands that type for a living have great flexibility and stamina but not so much strength.

When I rack semi automatics, I grip the slide between the base of my palm and my finger tips. In order to do this, I need the gun at a 45 degree angle to my body, which means I turn slightly to the right, to keep the muzzle down range. When I'm tired, I might brace my right elbow to my body for extra stability and leverage. It may not look perfect but you do what you have to do, to get the job done. And they rack every single time and damned quickly. I do it this way not because I'm so dainty and girly, but because I'm older than God and my hands and wrists are cranky.

Please, please stop "getting" her a gun. Let her choose one she can comfortably operate. You can be in the car listening to the ball game while she does this. The best place to do that is River City Gun Exchange, they have about every handgun around and they're real good about letting potential buyers handle them. Don't go there on a Tuesday morning or a Saturday, they're mobbed. I like 2 pm on Thursdays and it's worth taking an afternoon off. It's really best if she tries everything that looks interesting, selects a gun with the help of a competent salesperson and pays for it her own very self. They're mostly ex-cops there, they like women shooters and they won't sell her something that isn't right. She does this all by herself. It creates a lot of ownership and pride in her selection. And if she's anything like me, she'd die before saying she bought something she really couldn't handle.

If she won't do it alone, buy me lunch or coffee and I'll go with her. You can give final approval just before the credit cards come out.

The best solution is to put here with a competent instructor and an assortment of available guns, who can diagnose and correct the situation. PM me and I can tell you some who sells instruction time in 2 hour increments for a very reasonable price. You can both have a lesson once the racking problem is solved. Again, you sit in the car and listen to the ball game while the racking diagnosis is going on. Really.

PM me with some choices of weekend mornings at Sac Valley and I'll look at what she's doing, look at the guns, try to rack 'em myself and if all else fails, I can rustle up an instructor for a 15 minute freebie.


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Once you find the gun she likes get a lower power spring from wolff springs might make the racking easier

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So is $10 grand.

So you'd be perfectly comfortable carrying a .22 pistol as your primary SD weapon given a 9mm? I see. Obviously shot placement is important, but so is tissue displacement. Anything less than 9 doesn't make a big enough hole IMHO.
Anytime someone says this I ask if they'd be willing to catch a 22 rimfire bullet. No takers yet.

But seriously, do reconsider a revolver. If you NEED 8, 10, 15, or 30 rounds to FEEL safe, more power to you! I won;t limit you. But I don't NEED more than 5 rounds to stop any credible threat to my life. Revolvers have too many advantages, and that includes pushing even larger bullets (just as slow or slower, to even further reduce recoil).

It's funny, I've been told that in the 50's and earlier the prevailing attitude was that semi-auto was the one that required more training and practice to become proficient. Now it's the other way around? Interesting.
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is she doing overhand or slingshot? slingshot requires a great deal more strength than overhand... I teach everyone to overhand and have not seen anyone unable to do that.
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Please, please stop "getting" her a gun. Let her choose one she can comfortably operate. You can be in the car listening to the ball game while she does this.
Bonnie really nailed it. I see that everytime I go to Turners or the indoor range. If the lady wants a gun let her choose. The other day a guy brought his lady in and everytime she started to move towards the revolver section, he'll cough. She'll move back towards the Glock section and he'll smile.

Guys really do not get it.
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It's funny, I've been told that in the 50's and earlier the prevailing attitude was that semi-auto was the one that required more training and practice to become proficient. Now it's the other way around? Interesting.
That is why you should have a second opinion.

My dad had his 1911A1 from WWII and only handgun he ever owned. My father - in - law was a 1911A1 instructor for the US Army in WWII and after that experience he preferred a Colt Single Action Army.

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From personal experience with my wife, Bonnie is right. If this is to be your wife's gun, let her choose it. Stay out of it. Have your wife take a class without you being in the class.

Yes, I wanted my wife to be able to defend herself when I am not around. Yes, I have opinions about what what I believe are the better guns. Men will argue for days as to the perfect caliber and the perfect handgun. Guess what, you are not your wife. She needs something that works for her. She may or may not be interested in the technicalities of differences between calibers, bullet weights, etc.

My wife took 2 months of looking to find the gun she liked. It is hers and she shoots it. She will not let me touch it. It worked out better than if I selected what I thought would work for her.
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I understand that revolvers are reliable and simple. I don't like the limited capacity. You guys are completely ignoring the multiple attacker argument
That's why you buy her two revolvers...
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and moon clips for each of those revolvers!
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A .380+P Semi-auto would be worth looking at. My Sig Sauer P238 has a factory recoil spring that is very smooth and light to rack.
My 9mm M&P Shield is very hard to rack.
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