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Old 08-15-2013, 5:05 AM
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They will go after handguns next. Just wait you'll see
Between the roster, the microstamping, and the detachable magazine BS, they're pretty much are going after all handguns more or less.

If only we could restrict the gun-grabbers First Amendment rights to the extent they have restricted our Second Amendment rights. At least we would have to listen to so much BS.
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Odds are I will be leaving CA once my son completes high school so any of my firearms and magazine that would be affected will just cease to exist till the time comes they are legal again. That being said all ammo is just a few hours away as far as Im concerned ca will not get there 50 ammo reg fees from me.
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They will go after handguns next. Just wait you'll see
They already Have!! SB567 Senator Jackson: Revises the definition of a shotgun. If you have a pistol (Like a .45LC) that can shoot a shotshell it redefines the pistol as a short barreled shotgun. You must register it as an assault weapon.

I'm surprised this wasn't brought up.
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If all bills that are likely to pass will pass and become a law in Ca. What handguns are not effected at all? in the worst case scenario
Aparently i'm a handgun cause i wont be in this state to long after they go into effect
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I wonder the possibility of gun owners getting together and renting property to store what they have in Nevada or Oregon, for as long as it takes to fight these laws back.
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This past few weeks has been way too much for me its crazy. Keep thinking what am I suppose to do I cant just up and go and start new life somewhere out of state I am a personal trainer and all my clientel is great right now. I have no family out of state either
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Also if you look at SB396, it states confiscation of our pre ban magazines. WTF? That already sounds illegal in any essence. So it pretty much say we want your guns to go along with them mags.
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I wonder the possibility of gun owners getting together and renting property to store what they have in Nevada or Oregon, for as long as it takes to fight these laws back.
No landlord is going to rent to you if he knows what you're up to.

A slightly different approach would be to establish a partnership, like a LLP for instance (though I'm not sure that would be the best choice), and purchase a property where firearms owned by the partners could be stored. There would have to be insurance and an appropriately secure location. Both of those points would boost the cost I'm sure. However if enough people use it the costs would be more manageable on an individual basis, or maybe per gun.

Just thinking off the top of my head here. IANAL either
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Bad news: these laws won't matter. No criminals are going to turn in their weapons.

Good news: if your 15 year old son in high school says he is considering "transgender" then he can now legally go in the girls locker room... score! Thank you Kalifornia!
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Surprised no one has brought this up that I can find..... the COMMIEFORNIA State Constitution DOES NOT even HAVE a 2nd A IN IT..... I think this is where these tot fooktards are getting their ball sacks all swelled up .. even the 'female' antis.... 'hey its NOT in OUR state's Constitution,so we can screw over fire arm owners all we want'. Since we also have the largest welfare population and illegal population we can bully them to support 'us' if they want the 'social nipple to keep making statemilk and fedmilk....

Like was posted... 100's of 1,000's of us will be crooks, while real crooks get released to start shiiite up again....
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No landlord is going to rent to you if he knows what you're up to.

A slightly different approach would be to establish a partnership, like a LLP for instance (though I'm not sure that would be the best choice), and purchase a property where firearms owned by the partners could be stored. There would have to be insurance and an appropriately secure location. Both of those points would boost the cost I'm sure. However if enough people use it the costs would be more manageable on an individual basis, or maybe per gun.

Just thinking off the top of my head here. IANAL either
Maybe, but I hardly think a mini storage place in Carson City is going to care about a bunch of Calgunners storing something that's 100% legal in Nevada in their lockers. And for that very reason, who the hell are they to ask questions?

In anycase... it's a step between compliance, fleeing, and willful law breaking even if that means burying your stuff in PVC tubes in the yard. It allows people to play the waiting game without risking felonies and property seizures.
I would trade up being able to shoot feinstein guns at a range for a few years for having any gun owners become model felons, or going in any politician's files with their "pre-confiscation" initiatives.
As Heller showed, time may be on our side.
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I've divested all my auto loaders into revolvers and lever actions...
Hate to tell you this but any center fire rifle with a fixed magazine that holds more than ten rounds is also deemed an assault rifle. This would include lever action rifles that use handgun ammo such as 44, 357, 44-40 etc.
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If all the laws pass... A whole lot of us will be felons if caught.
But where would they put everyone? The prisons are already full.
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Put the blame on all those gun owners who buy a gun a week yet never donate anything to pro second amendments organizations. Curse all those who keep on reelecting the anti gun politicians just because they heard the politicians name on the evening news and are too lazy to study up on the issues. Subjects don't need guns in this new world order
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I've divested all my auto loaders into revolvers and lever actions...
I have been selling off my guns because I am getting tired of the sport. You will soon have to sell your revolvers and lever actions because soon they will be the evil ones. Then what are you going to do?
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But where would they put everyone? The prisons are already full.
why do you think that the state has to let out all those "felons" out of jail because they are overcrowded. they need the space for gun owners.
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I planned on moving out of CA before I owned guns, now that I have them, and realize what is going on, it makes the move even better.

Again, like I always say, if the laws are passed here- they will be- this will show the rest of the Nation of gun grabbers what is possible.

The politicians may be looking to see if there is a great resistance to these laws. Like in CO, I believe, there was a lot of backlash when the new laws were passed.

Here in the People's Republik we are greatly outnumbered thus, they can essentially do what they want.



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I've divested all my auto loaders into revolvers and lever actions...
In truth, it wouldn't bother me much at all to divest myself of few remaining auto-loaders. I only shoot then about twice a year and that only so I don't forget how they operate. What does bother me is some dickhead legislators telling me I have to get rid of them.
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Surprised no one has brought this up that I can find..... the COMMIEFORNIA State Constitution DOES NOT even HAVE a 2nd A IN IT..... I think this is where these tot fooktards are getting their ball sacks all swelled up .. even the 'female' antis.... 'hey its NOT in OUR state's Constitution,so we can screw over fire arm owners all we want'. Since we also have the largest welfare population and illegal population we can bully them to support 'us' if they want the 'social nipple to keep making statemilk and fedmilk....

Like was posted... 100's of 1,000's of us will be crooks, while real crooks get released to start shiiite up again....
it's been brought up by others here before.

CA is a state of the United States, and is subjected to the US Constitution:

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I was reading a few of the state's glorious leaders wanted to limit and regulate black powder and reloading supplies. Between that, the ammo bills we have, and the new dumb gun laws you might see a "in effect 100% gun ban" soon. It might night ban every gun exactly, but limit availability and use I'm talking about inside 24 months we could lose all rights. They are already trying to count our ammo purchases how long until they say "nobody can have more than 20 rounds of each caliber they have a firearm for and no more than 100 rounds total". They would make stupid arguments like public safety and compare us to the crazy cat lady who had 98 cats in a one bedroom apartment.
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Hate to tell you this but any center fire rifle with a fixed magazine that holds more than ten rounds is also deemed an assault rifle. This would include lever action rifles that use handgun ammo such as 44, 357, 44-40 etc.
That's incorrect. It has to be semiautomatic. Bolt action, lever action, and single-shot rifles are not classified as "assault weapons".

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They are already trying to count our ammo purchases how long until they say "nobody can have more than 20 rounds of each caliber they have a firearm for and no more than 100 rounds total".
Sorry. I'm "math challenged" and can't count.

Seriously, we can stop these draconian anti-liberty laws in a different way. Via a ballot measure approved by voters, maybe we could get a state constitutional amendment that, ".. all state agencies and their employees must obey all laws that apply to any citizen."

Think about that. Even an uninformed voter would vote YES if the state had to smog check it's vehicles, get cited for speeding, pay income taxes and get searched by the TSA at airports. Here's the kicker - No high cap mags, no auto weapons, no tracers and no detachable magazines for law enforcement. It wouldn't take long for things to return to normal.

Think of it as out flanking the antis.
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Seriously, we can stop these draconian anti-liberty laws in a different way. Via a ballot measure approved by voters, maybe we could get a state constitutional amendment that, ".. all state agencies and their employees must obey all laws that apply to any citizen."
If the law specifically exempts law enforcement and other state employees then they are obeying the law that includes the exemptions. Any attempt to pass a constitutional amendment that prevents the Legislature from creating exemptions within laws for government employees would be fought by the well-financed (with your tax dollars) government employee unions. (Yes, government employee unions are financed by tax dollars. They are financed by dues from their government employee members. And where does the money for the dues come from? Their taxpayer-funded salaries).
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If the law specifically exempts law enforcement and other state employees then they are obeying the law that includes the exemptions. Any attempt to pass a constitutional amendment that prevents the Legislature from creating exemptions within laws for government employees would be fought by the well-financed (with your tax dollars) government employee unions. (Yes, government employee unions are financed by tax dollars. They are financed by dues from their government employee members. And where does the money for the dues come from? Their taxpayer-funded salaries).
Then add, "Oh, and global military actions are illegal. Iz fo teh chirren." to the end and 98% of Californians would vote for it.
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The difference here is that instead of the Luftwafe bombing us in a stupid show of massive idiocy. The "nazis" have decided to do a joint operation and have landed on the shores of England in the tens of thousands, London has already fallen and there is no longer any central command to issue orders.

Unfortunately Winston Churchill has been executed by the Nazis. That is a better description of the 2A Fight INSIDE of California.

For the rest of the Nation it is still game on. BTW they are already drafting the reloading bans and they will be introduced next year.
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If the law specifically exempts law enforcement and other state employees then they are obeying the law that includes the exemptions. Any attempt to pass a constitutional amendment that prevents the Legislature from creating exemptions within laws for government employees would be fought by the well-financed (with your tax dollars) government employee unions. (Yes, government employee unions are financed by tax dollars. They are financed by dues from their government employee members. And where does the money for the dues come from? Their taxpayer-funded salaries).
and don't forget a veto from uncle brown, a big public union supporter....
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In truth, it wouldn't bother me much at all to divest myself of few remaining auto-loaders. I only shoot then about twice a year and that only so I don't forget how they operate. What does bother me is some dickhead legislators telling me I have to get rid of them.
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I have been selling off my guns because I am getting tired of the sport. You will soon have to sell your revolvers and lever actions because soon they will be the evil ones. Then what are you going to do?
Another one. I bet you are getting tired of the Constitution as well. Gosh, it's just too hard to fight for your rights, is it?

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Well all I know is I just ordered another stripped lower this morning. I guess you could call it therapy.
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Tough times might be on the horizon, but do not give up or give in!!!!
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The difference here is that instead of the Luftwafe bombing us in a stupid show of massive idiocy. The "nazis" have decided to do a joint operation and have landed on the shores of England in the tens of thousands, London has already fallen and there is no longer any central command to issue orders.

Unfortunately Winston Churchill has been executed by the Nazis. That is a better description of the 2A Fight INSIDE of California.

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That reminds me of a story my brother told me when he was a Maine in 'Nam. It went something like this; A private was approached by his sergeant on the parade grounds. The sergeant said, "You are surrounded by the enemy! You are the last Marine standing! What do you do?!" The private answered, "Kill them, drill sergeant!"

The point being; Never, never, never give up. In this case, never give up your rights and liberties. Even if the odds don't look very good. I don't propose violence or law breaking. I propose the hand wringing stop.

Do it for Ron.

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Again, to all those who say they're going to move or have moved and do nothing but have negative things to say about California...SHUT UP!! I'm here to stay. I will continue to donate to pro-gun organizations and I will continue to fight to the best of my ability. It makes sense to stand your ground here because with the exception of these stupid bills and anti-gun laws, CALIFORNIA will always be better than any other state. ALWAYS!!!
This is really confused. Ok, let me get this straight. "Comiefornia will always better than any other state." In what way? Great weather, yes, fantastic coast line and mountains, yes. Taxes, no, regulatory environment, no, relative personal freedom and property rights, no, 2A freedom, no, traffic, no, jobs, no, cost of living, no, low crime rate, no, government solvency, no, K-12 education, no, business environment, NO.

SO what is so great? I was born here in the late 50's and I've seen this State go right in the toilet since the progressives began taking over.

I am staying for now, but I am hedging my bets. Property in other states are beginning to look very attractive and land is relatively cheap.

I continue to fight, and give to the cause. I gave another $250 to the FPC last night. But, I will not be made a criminal by a bunch of thugs in Sacramento, and I will deny them as much as possible. And I will stay until it really hurts. BUT THIS IS NO LONGER A GREAT OR EVEN GOOD STATE TO LIVE IN. So don't try to tell me to stop complaining, or tell me this is a great state. IT IS NOT.
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