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Old 08-05-2013, 4:42 PM
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I am planning on buying an AR 10 type rifle in 7.62/308 cal. I want to scope it for all around shooting from say 50 out to 800. I was thinking about a variable in 1-6x or even 8x or should I be looking more at just high magnification range? Budget of around $1500. Thanks for the input.
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Bushnell SMRS 1.65X24 SFP. Goes down to 1X for up close, and 6.5X should be enough to get you solid hits on torso sized targets out to 800 yards depending on how much precision you need. The BTR-2 reticle has 10 mils of hashmarks for holdovers, which is enough to get many flavors of 308 out to 1000 yards:

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Don't know anything about it but will research it. Thanks for the suggestion. Do you recommend mil over moa when looking for a scope and how about first versus second focal plane?
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Coming next month $250 there is Also a 4-14xFFP DMR is the works

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Thanks for the input Dimitri. I have always received good service and fast shipping from PA.
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Don't know anything about it but will research it. Thanks for the suggestion. Do you recommend mil over moa when looking for a scope and how about first versus second focal plane?
I prefer mil over moa simply due to it being easier for me to do the math in my head. I also tend to favor FFP scopes, but my limited experience with FFP scopes that have a very wide magnification range (like 1-6X) shows that the reticle will typically lose some of it's effectiveness at one end of the spectrum. Reticles designed to be used more at the low end 1X setting get bloated at 6X and cover up a lot of the target. On the flip side, reticles designed for use at 6X tend to be extremely thin and hard to pick out at 1X. Reviews of the Bushnell 1-6.5X, which is available in both SFP and FFP, tend to agree with this. The majority of reviews I've read on this scope heavily favor the SFP version.

The Primary Arms scope is another option worth looking into. I din't really think about it as it's BDC is primarily designed for a 5.56. 5.56 and 308 hold very similar trajectories out to around 500 yards.
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I prefer mil over moa simply due to it being easier for me to do the math in my head. I also tend to favor FFP scopes, but my limited experience with FFP scopes that have a very wide magnification range (like 1-6X) shows that the reticle will typically lose some of it's effectiveness at one end of the spectrum. Reticles designed to be used more at the low end 1X setting get bloated at 6X and cover up a lot of the target. On the flip side, reticles designed for use at 6X tend to be extremely thin and hard to pick out at 1X. Reviews of the Bushnell 1-6.5X, which is available in both SFP and FFP, tend to agree with this. The majority of reviews I've read on this scope heavily favor the SFP version.

The Primary Arms scope is another option worth looking into. I din't really think about it as it's BDC is primarily designed for a 5.56. 5.56 and 308 hold very similar trajectories out to around 500 yards.
168SMK and M80 good out to 700 yards
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I prefer mil over moa simply due to it being easier for me to do the math in my head. I also tend to favor FFP scopes, but my limited experience with FFP scopes that have a very wide magnification range (like 1-6X) shows that the reticle will typically lose some of it's effectiveness at one end of the spectrum. Reticles designed to be used more at the low end 1X setting get bloated at 6X and cover up a lot of the target. On the flip side, reticles designed for use at 6X tend to be extremely thin and hard to pick out at 1X. Reviews of the Bushnell 1-6.5X, which is available in both SFP and FFP, tend to agree with this. The majority of reviews I've read on this scope heavily favor the SFP version.

The Primary Arms scope is another option worth looking into. I din't really think about it as it's BDC is primarily designed for a 5.56. 5.56 and 308 hold very similar trajectories out to around 500 yards.

Good info thanks. I am a novice with some of this stuff. Used to red dots and fixed 3 or 4x scopes with built in BDC for my 556. Longer range stuff in 308 will be new territory and I want to get a good varaiable power optic that I can practice with and learn to use effectively at varying distances
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I am planning on buying an AR 10 type rifle in 7.62/308 cal. I want to scope it for all around shooting from say 50 out to 800. I was thinking about a variable in 1-6x or even 8x or should I be looking more at just high magnification range? Budget of around $1500. Thanks for the input.
$1500 just for the scope budget? Good grief.. high roller here!
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$1500 just for the scope budget? Good grief.. high roller here!

LOL,,,have you seen all the stuff I have been selling here to get the $1500
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What do you guys think of Leupold Mark 6 1-6x or Nightforce 2.5-10x ?
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Weaver tactical 3-15x50 is ridiculously overlooked!

beats the snot out of Vortex 4-16x50 (sorry Vortex fans, but that scope sux! - yes I know, 6-24x50 is supposedly better)

Weaver glass is uncommonly clear (made in Japan) and with FFP and illumination - at its price-point, its really, REALLY hard to beat!

Another great look is Bushnell Tactical 2.5-16x42... it is SFP, the magnification range and extremely clear glass is great for AR10. I recently replaced this scope on my M&P10 with the Weaver mentioned above. Glass clarity is comparable (exceptionally good!) - but I prefer FFP... willing to sell the 2.5-16x42 if interested.

I also recently acquired Bushnell 6-24x50 (for 308 bolt gun - too much for AR10 imo)... the glass is also exceptional for the price - however, it's the illuminated mil dot version and I subsequently bought the G2DMR version... so, selling the illuminated mil-dot (great for hunting rifle) - if interested.

Sorry if it seems like an infomercial - but after shyteloads of research, these are all exceptional bang for buck scopes... the one competitor left out is Vortex... I have a 1-4x24 that I am relatively happy with (illumination isn't great - sent it in - they said it's fine)... but 24mm glass is what it is (regardless of brand)... According to "reliable" reviews, the 6-24x50 is good... I can tell you first-hand, the 4-16x50 is crap.

Clearly there is Nightforce (many say over-rated - I shot a 338 Lapua with it, meh)... SWFA has it's following - and being combat worthy, they are hard to ignore... but bang for buck, Weaver Tactical and Bushnell Tactical are very hard to beat.

YMMV (not likely though).
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Thanks for sharing the info. I will do some research on the optics you mentioned.
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If I were you, when it's time to buy, go to the sport's store's & look through all of them. If your like most here, you'll use recommendation's here to start the process, you eye will tell you what you want.

I myself did what your doing, then in the end I've got what I think is real nice 3-15x42 HD5 Ziess. And for CQB a very small TRS25 red dot on cant mount...

GOOD LUCK, you will find what you need, take your time, as this is money...

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Yes, you are correct viewing through the glass can make all the difference depending on how your eye reacts to the clarity and the reticle features. Right now I am leaning towards a Nightforce 2.5-10 x 32.
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I have a pretty good deal lined up on it with the NP-R2 reticle with LaRue 1.5 mount and billet cattail handle. Guy used it once and wants $1400.
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Weaver tactical 3-15x50 is ridiculously overlooked!

beats the snot out of Vortex 4-16x50 (sorry Vortex fans, but that scope sux! - yes I know, 6-24x50 is supposedly better)

Weaver glass is uncommonly clear (made in Japan) and with FFP and illumination - at its price-point, its really, REALLY hard to beat!

Sorry if it seems like an infomercial - but after shyteloads of research, these are all exceptional bang for buck scopes... the one competitor left out is Vortex... I have a 1-4x24 that I am relatively happy with (illumination isn't great - sent it in - they said it's fine)... but 24mm glass is what it is (regardless of brand)... According to "reliable" reviews, the 6-24x50 is good... I can tell you first-hand, the 4-16x50 is crap.

YMMV (not likely though).
Wow, care to back that up with any real evidence?
I think Vortex Viper PST rocks (esp with the MOA/MOA setup) and is great value at its price.

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Wow, care to back that up with any real evidence?
I think Vortex Viper PST rocks (esp with the MOA/MOA setup) and is great value at its price.
Evidence?.... Ummm yeah, looking through both.

Im not the only one who thinks so... I ignored the multiple reviews of less than stellar glass and bought one anyway... Didnt take long for me to (literally) see what they were talking about... Please dont make your next response "prove it with links" - do a Google search, youll find im not the only one saying this.

Its quite entertaining that when I gave my real world opinion of the scope you ask for evidence... And then follow up by saying you think it rocks (got evidence?)

Take a look through Bushnell Elite and Weaver Tactical - they are same price point as the pst... Or read reviews... That will be all the "evidence" needed... (I only have 2.5-16x42, 6-24x50 and 5-15x50 so I cant say first hand for all - but I suspect the same results).

BTW, Im not bashing Vortex - I have a Viper PST 1-4x24, two Strikefires and a SPARK - so its not a biased opinion... Ive also read that the PST 6-24x50 glass is very good... Its just that the 4-16x50 isnt up to snuff (again, many people realize this - look it up).
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Vortex Viper PST 4-16 FFP or SFP will do that job great, Vortex has life time warrenty, a lot of scopes out there with low failure rates...

with mount and optic you will be well below your 1400 budget even with FFP

Zero Stop, Illum Ret,

we have both in stock in MOA and MRAD - EBR 1 Rets


I personally run a NF NSX F1 3-15 on my AR10 Currently since I had the budget for it, if not I would run a Vortex again...


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I ended up getting the Nightforce NSX 2-10 x 32 with the LaRue mount. It was in brand new condition for $1400 which seemed like a good price and the reviews were pretty consistently good that I could find. They do have the new one out now with the 42 objective that has better low light view but also more pricey.
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Private party sale. He had a billet adjustment lever and the NP R2 in it with the LaRue 1.5 mount
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Thats the new 42. Should be even better in low light then the 32
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Dimitri, what would be a good inexpensive mount for this on a Sig 716?

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Dimitri, what would be a good inexpensive mount for this on a Sig 716?

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I would say the 1-6 ACSS it allows for CQB and Med range.
There is also ACSS CQB-M 2.5X coming soon







Here are the ballistics for 1-6 for .308 on bottom of chart.




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Thanks, Dimitri... actually, I was hoping you could suggest the best mounting system to attach the ACSS 1-6 to my 716.

I'd like a quick-disconnect type that allows re-attachment without re-zero, such as a Leupold QRW (LaRue QD are just too expensive for me)... just not sure which mount would be correct for your scope/my rifle.


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Thanks, Dimitri... actually, I was hoping you could suggest the best mounting system to attach the ACSS 1-6 to my 716.

I'd like a quick-disconnect type that allows re-attachment without re-zero, such as a Leupold QRW (LaRue QD are just too expensive for me)... just not sure which mount would be correct for your scope/my rifle.


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Burris PEPR would be the only option at a significantly lower price.

I would still verify zero after remounting no matter what the mount. And be sure to blue lock tight everything.


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For the $1500 mark, look into a used nightforce 5.5- 24x 50 or 55

Great optics.

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If your going to spend that kind of money look at these two scopes.

http://www.shopbushnell.com/detail/BSN+ET2164

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I put a bushnell XRS on my 308 AR, but I have a 24" barrel, if you have a short barrel it might be a bit ridiculous.

I have an M223 on my other AR (5.56) but if I could do it again I would get a Bushnell DMR.

If you want the best precision and rigidity I would probably avoid a QD mount. I have been satisfied with my JP mount, but there are others that work well too.
With the JP mount and a torque wrench and a level I didn't have to touch the zero when re-mounting my scope when changing out my gas block. Might not be that lucky every time but it should get you damn close!

Honestly this would be a good scope if you want to shoot a good distance:

http://www.libertyoptics.com/content.../d69.html#p147
"Bushnell Elite Tactical 3.5-21x50 HDMR" that's the one in your budget.

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Take a look at Horus Vision. Their Talon is a 1-4x24 scope with a H50 reticle. I use it on my AR10. Illuminated and very clear glass.
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I am thinking of moving the NF 2.5-10 x32mm to one of my AR 15 rifles off of my 308. I might replace it with another NF 2.5-10 x42mm (new model) or a 3.5-15 for my 308 now.
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