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Old 12-29-2007, 6:49 PM
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I'm thinking about getting a concealed carry permit which of course gives me the opportunity to buy a new pistol.

I've got a few "gotta's":

1. Gotta be $300 bucks or less
2. Gotta fit my medium glove-sized hand
3. Gotta be completely 100% reliable

I definately prefer a .45 over 9mm, .357 or .38.

What do you guys think I should check out? Or are my demands simply too much for the price range?

Thanks for the input.
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Old 12-29-2007, 6:57 PM
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Your getting a CCW in OC?
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Add another $100-200 to your budget and surf consignments and other used ppt guns. My cheapest gun that I would carry is a Ruger SP101 38spl that I found in a consignment counter, it was $325ish. Being a Ruger it will fire as hot a 38 as you can buy. Ruger revolvers are a great value and are nearly indestructable.

Avoid the cheapies if your life will depend on it. There are a few guns out there you can get under $300, I just don't know if I'd want to depend on them.
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I'm thinking about getting a concealed carry permit which of course gives me the opportunity to buy a new pistol.

I've got a few "gotta's":

1. Gotta be $300 bucks or less
2. Gotta fit my medium glove-sized hand
3. Gotta be completely 100% reliable

I definately prefer a .45 over 9mm, .357 or .38.

What do you guys think I should check out? Or are my demands simply too much for the price range?

Thanks for the input.
Your budget rules out nearly any new gun. It also rules out any .45 or 9mm or any semi-auto that I can think of that you would want to depend on.

You might be able to find a used Ruger, Taurus, or Rossi small frame revolver in .38 or .357 in that price range.
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Move out of California.

Buy a KelTec PF-9 or P3AT.

Move back (why?) and apply for your CCW.

That's pretty crazy tho'...
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You can find those used SIG P6 225's for around $350.00.

Someone mentioned an off brand GI model 1911, unless you are familiar with 1911's and also plan on having a work do it then I would stay away from a lower end 1911.

Do you have much expirience with handguns?

If you're interested in checking out a SIG P6 225 let me know I can bring it with me to the firing line in Huntington Beach

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I think for something you can count on, it would need to be a revolver for that price. Used.
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Used SP101! But, I'm not sure why you are only willing to spend $300 to save your life. Also, get the CCW first. Then, buy the gun. If your that hard up for cash, you shoudn't spend your money on a CCW gun until you need to.

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Why would you get a CCW then skimp on the firearm to carry?

Spend the money and get something worthy.

You're going to spend a ton of money on ammo anyways. The gun is always a fractional cost of the total price of training + ammo + gun.

The only thing worthy in that price range is a wheel gun.
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Well, if you are planning on carrying this gun for self defense. I would definately recommend that you bring up your budget to about 600 bucks.
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Old 12-29-2007, 7:31 PM
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Dont you have to have the gun you plan to carry BEFORE you get your ccw?
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Dont you have to have the gun you plan to carry BEFORE you get your ccw?
Before you finish the process. But, if the OP doesn't have much money, he should start the proccess and see if he can even get a CCW.
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Used SP101! But, I'm not sure why you are only willing to spend $300 to save your life. Also, get the CCW first. Then, buy the gun. If your that hard up for cash, you shoudn't spend your money on a CCW gun until you need to.
He needs to qualify with all pistols to be listed on his permit. $300 ain't much to work with, maybe a used XD if you can find one. I carry the 5" tactical, bought it from a Calguner for $450. You may have to go with a 9mm or .40 for now. Or just save more money for a new gun to possibly defend your life with.
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Old 12-29-2007, 7:42 PM
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He needs to qualify with all pistols to be listed on his permit. $300 ain't much to work with, maybe a used XD if you can find one. I carry the 5" tactical, bought it from a Calguner for $450. You may have to go with a 9mm or .40 for now. Or just save more money for a new gun to possibly defend your life with.
Yes, but he doesn't need to own a gun to start the proccess. He can buy one after he's been approved but before the class and qualifying.
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Old 12-29-2007, 7:57 PM
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Yes, but he doesn't need to own a gun to start the proccess. He can buy one after he's been approved but before the class and qualifying.

Yes, you are right. He does not need to own at the time. Section 3 of the app requires you to list your intended weapons. Sections 1 thru 5 need to be filled out and signed ahead of your interview. I'm not sure what they would say to an incomplete section and pass it on for further approval though. A phonecall to the CCW division may help in advance.
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OC has a "pre-approval" process. They basically look at your good cause and give you a thumbs up or down before you've plunked down the cash. Still he's going to be spending a goodly amount of money to get the CCW even before factoring in the gun. Closer to double his gun budget as far as I can remember.
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OC has a "pre-approval" process. They basically look at your good cause and give you a thumbs up or down before you've plunked down the cash. Still he's going to be spending a goodly amount of money to get the CCW even before factoring in the gun. Closer to double his gun budget as far as I can remember.
What is OC charging now?
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The fees are universal, but the training is much more expensive than say San Bernardino County which charges $30 for their class.
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Old 12-29-2007, 8:16 PM
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The fees are universal, but the training is much more expensive than say San Bernardino County which charges $30 for their class.
Actually CCW fees are not universal. County by County is different. Training is a whole other issue on price.
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Last I had heard from the OC crowd was in the $400-500 range. I paid (ballpark) $250 total in San Berdo.
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Old 12-29-2007, 8:19 PM
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Last I had heard from the OC crowd was in the $400-500 range. I paid $250 total in San Berdo.
So how can $400 to $500 in OC and SB at $250 be a 'universal' fee?

My County is $210.00
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S&W 459 (5906)

You can find them for $250-300 used and they are very reliable, durable, and accurate. But they are are bit heavy (not polymer)
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It was the gist of the discussion at the time that the vast difference was in the training cost. My numbers include the cost of the class as part of the cost of the CCW.

I was referring to the basic DOJ/FBI fees associated with the CCW as being "universal"
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We've recently had several Bulgarian Makarov's listed for sale in the $200 range, might also consider a CZ-82. Both of these should run you between $200-$300, and are chambered for 9x18Mak. Not the best self-defense round, but certainly capable.

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You can find them for $250-300 used and they are very reliable, durable, and accurate. But they are are bit heavy (not polymer)
You are correct TacFan. In San Diego, not far from "The OC"

Would be a good reliable piece and within your budget.
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It was the gist of the discussion at the time that the vast difference was in the training cost. My numbers include the cost of the class as part of the cost of the CCW.

I was referring to the basic DOJ/FBI fees associated with the CCW as being "universal"
For the record, and to clear the FUDD;

FBI and DOJ are 'set' prices

CCW processing fees are NOT

Training fees will vary from trainer to trainer and County to County ie; Placer requires 8 hrs of training, Orange requires 16hrs- therefore the fees WILL vary. Some Counties may require a psych evaluation adding another $150max to the costs.

Getting everything (training included) for $250 was a smokin deal. I figure you did not pay more than $50 for training.
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You are correct TacFan. In San Diego, not far from "The OC"

Would be a good reliable piece and within your budget.

I'm actually drosing that one on monday. It will be my second 459
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FTA charges $180 for the 16 hour class. This is mandatory in OC.

You could take the course before doing anything. If you call them, they can set you up with a rental pistol so you can learn what makes sense for you before you buy. You can then buy your gun and go qualify with it later. Several people over the course of the class decided what they'd bought was wrong.

Also...don't mention to Murph you need a cheap carry piece. He figures you're in his class because you think your life will depend on your skills and equipment. He doesn't pull the punches on stuff like this.

I highly recommend the class even to those not interested in carrying though. A fun time, and very informative.

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Thanks for all the input guys.

The reason I'm limited to 300 bucks to spend is that that's all I've got. It's not like I'm only budgeting 300 for it out some bigger stack of money.

I like the idea of the SIG P6 225 or the S&W auto. I'll do some more research on their reliability and rent one of each at the range. I'll look into the Rugers also.

Of course, after looking at the total costs of getting CCW's, I'll have a hard time scraping together even the money for that...I was expecting a couple hundred, but it sounds more like 4-500.

Thanks again. This has been great insight.
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Update:

I wound up getting several hundred dollars for Christmas, so I was able to pick between a Glock and an XD.

I decided I would go with a 9mm instead of a .45 due to the cost of ammo, and I'd like to be able to shoot it more often.

After renting both the Glock and the XD I decided that I preferred the XD, so I bought it this morning. This 10 day thing sucks.
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The only thing worthy in that price range is a wheel gun.
Agreed. This also fits with the requirement of being reliable. Last spring I saw a deal on two guns at Old West under $300.00 --for a .357 magnum and a .44- I think it might have been used Taurus', but there are goodies still out there. I'd take that, rather than a some mil surplus relic.
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Something with a long, medium weight trigger pull. Ruger SP101 is worth its "new" price of $475, a little bit of a stretch for you but probably worth it. A lot of ammo choices. Revolvers tend not to jam, the trigger pull is so long and heavy that an accidental discharge is unlikely.

Cobra Patriot. Got a good review in a gun magazine lately. Right in your budget range.

Any Glock, but it is double your budget, and you will have to figure out a safe carry system - the BlackHawk SERPA positive retention will hold your gun safely (bad guy won't disarm you) and unless your shirt tail gets stuffed in the holster you have little risk of accidental discharge while reholstering (the most common cause of accidental discharge, other than "playing around" with the gun).

Finally, the XD9 SC (subcompact) or XD45 C (compact) which have a grip safety (the Glock doesn't) making them safer to reholster IF you keep your hand off the grip safety while reholstering.

(Except for being inexpensive, with all the baggage that comes with that, the Cobra Patriot has a longer, heavier trigger pull.)

Since you will be lucky enough to have a CCW permit, accuracy beyond 7-12 feet is irrelevant. Any discussions of accuracy at 25 yards is irrelevant - to you. To the rest of us, accuracy is incredible important since range time is all we see. But realistically in a "social encounter" everything will happen at close range and be over, in your favor or not, within about 30 seconds.

Please be responsible out there so that those of us in non-issue counties can hold up OC residents as an example of CCW that works, and lobby for issuance in our own counties.
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Oops, I posted after reading only the first page. Congrats on your XD, it was smart to get the 9mm, the cost of ammunition is a big difference. Looks like you now have two guns - since the XD is good for range AND self-defense. Glad you went a little upscale.
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Thanks for all the input guys.

The reason I'm limited to 300 bucks to spend is that that's all I've got. It's not like I'm only budgeting 300 for it out some bigger stack of money.

I like the idea of the SIG P6 225 or the S&W auto. I'll do some more research on their reliability and rent one of each at the range. I'll look into the Rugers also.

Of course, after looking at the total costs of getting CCW's, I'll have a hard time scraping together even the money for that...I was expecting a couple hundred, but it sounds more like 4-500.

Thanks again. This has been great insight.
Actually, if you go for the FTA class at $180, it comes out to $380 from what I remember.

$100 for Livescans fingerprinting
$180 for class
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That's from what I remember anyways.
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Wow, and people wonder why we live in the "twigs"...

$55.00 for class
$10.00 for Range Fee
$120.00 for livescan, FBI/DOJ check and permit fees from SO
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$185.00 total.

If you are set on the $300.00 level you may look at the Taurus line of Revolvers.
I picked up a Taurus 605 2" in .357 last night from its 10 day pergutory and it was $299.99 plus tax & dros..

Shot 50 rounds through it today with zero problems.. it is a bit of a handful with full mag loads but it is small and will be added to my ccw in the coming weeks after a few hundred more rounds are fired.

Whatever you buy make sure you are proficient with it and practice faithfully at least every month (imho).

You can never go wrong with a Ruger SP101
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