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Old 08-03-2013, 4:03 PM
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I was shooting Herter's Brass .45 through a RIA 1911 when there was a failure to feed correctly. The previous round ejected, but instead of chambering, the next round went too far up and got trapped in the ejection port by the slide. I hit the bottom of the magazine to make sure it was inserted properly and then racked the slide, but instead of clearing the jam, the bullet fell backwards when I pulled the slide back and then got chambered when the slide came forward. I don't want to mess with a live primer, so I want to take it to a gunsmith. I live in Hayward (East Bay Area), is there anyone good close by? About how much should I expect fixing this to run me?

I feel like a complete idiot .
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Old 08-03-2013, 4:10 PM
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Wooden dowel, with the center drilled out so it doesn't hit the primer?
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Old 08-03-2013, 4:14 PM
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Field strip and grab it with some pliers? Can't be shoved in there that hard.
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I wouldn't strike it from behind. Needle nose pliers lock slide grab from the top and use the front of the slide as a fulcrum. Put something between the slide and pliers to keep it from scratching the slide.

Edit. Then strip of course and inspect the barrel for damage.
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I field stripped it just fine, the bullet is not as far down the barrel as I had feared. I really want to avoid going down the barrel and near the primer as much as possible. I don't have access to my garage and tools until tomorrow morning, so I'll try the pliers first and, hopefully, that will work and won't damage the barrel. Thanks for the responses guys
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Old 08-03-2013, 4:46 PM
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Take a brand new pencil, shove it eraser first into the muzzle, hit with hammer.
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Old 08-03-2013, 5:09 PM
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Go to the hobby shop and buy a 12" length of metal tubing 7/16 would fit perfect and no need for tools hell you don't even need a hammer just whack it on the ground. Cost About $4 and a drive the the hobby shop
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Take a brand new pencil, shove it eraser first into the muzzle, hit with hammer.
I'll try this after the pliers but before the dowel or tubing
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I know, I'm an idiot. Never heard of this happening before.
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there is not that much force on a slide to drive it so deep you could not remove it using pliers on the bullet side.

For sake of making it easy to pull spray some Kroil or WD-40 on both sides of the chamber and let it sit for a few minutes then pull it out.
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I agree with the pliers on the bullet at this point. Even if the bullet comes free the powder will just slide out making the entire thing even easier to solve. Wouldn't hurt to introduce some PBR Blaster.
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there is not that much force on a slide to drive it so deep you could not remove it using pliers on the bullet side.

For sake of making it easy to pull spray some Kroil or WD-40 on both sides of the chamber and let it sit for a few minutes then pull it out.
What he said.

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Just knock it loose with a wooden dowel in the barrel. The primer isn't going to go off. You don't even need to break it down.
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Just knock it loose with a wooden dowel in the barrel. The primer isn't going to go off. You don't even need to break it down.
Yup.

And a little info for the op. Barrels are made from steel, shell cases are made from brass. Steel is harder then brass so all the twisting in the world by you on a brass shell case with a pair of pliers isn't going to hurt the barrel.

Tap it out with a wooden dowel.
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Get a gun of a smaller caliber, lock and load, place them muzzle to muzzle, pull trigger. The stuck round will come right out. Wear safety goggles just in case.
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Just knock it loose with a wooden dowel in the barrel. The primer isn't going to go off. You don't even need to break it down.
^this. Stop being a weenus and just knock it out with a wooden dowel. The only way you'd stand a chance of setting it off would be if you tried to drive it out with a center punch.
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If you really don't want to do it, you can send it to me the same way you would ship any ammo and, I'll do it in about 2 minutes. No charge. I'll even pay to ship it back just so I can see this in person.
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Man blows self up by striking lodged bullet with wooden dowel. I like kc's tube idea best. Seems the safest.
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Never even heard of something like this. A first for me.
I've had it happen when I had the non-fired UMC rounds. Luckily I still was holding the slide and didn't release it, jamming them in, so they came out easily. Since the function is designed for empty cases I guess with the weight and my slow pull it just flipped it.
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Never even heard of something like this. A first for me.
Glad I'm not the only one who hadn't heard of this before.




I'll try the pliers tomorrow morning and on the off chance that that does
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I got it out this morning. Sure enough, pliers and ten seconds of twisting and pulling got the cartridge out. No damage to the barrel or the stuck round. Still surprised that this happened...
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I got it out this morning. Sure enough, pliers and ten seconds of twisting and pulling got the cartridge out. No damage to the barrel or the stuck round. Still surprised that this happened...
Glad you got it out
And everything is Fine

Now we need to see what that round looks like
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Never even heard of something like this. A first for me.
On facebook there was like an "army laughs" page or something, every once and a while they would post a photo of a 5.56 backwards in an AR, a DI commented and said it happens more than you think haha... i tried finding them on google but returned with no luck.. aside from that HK catalog with the rounds backwards in the mag
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There's a video on YouTube (SAAMI -Sport Ammunition and the firefighter) that shows all kinds of ammo being shot outside of a barrel like that and th bullet would even brake some drywall. It turns out if the round is fired outsid of a chamber, most of the energy is lost...
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Glad you got it out
And everything is Fine

Now we need to see what that round looks like

Here's the round. The marks on the bullet itself are from the pliers. As visible in the third pic, there are a couple small indentations on the top of the rim. Otherwise, round looks like I could chamber and fire it.
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Here's the round. The marks on the bullet itself are from the pliers. As visible in the third pic, there are a couple small indentations on the top of the rim. Otherwise, round looks like I could chamber and fire it.
It's fine, throw it in the practice bucket.
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