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Old 07-31-2013, 8:21 AM
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Is there a way to single shot these SR22's i have? im a dealer and am now stuck with a product that on 7/25 was a legal item to sell in CA, on 7/26 CA says no more!!!! I dont want to send them back to my distributor but i have to, then so be it. Thanks for your help.
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Old 07-31-2013, 8:28 AM
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Is there a way to single shot these SR22's i have? im a dealer and am now stuck with a product that on 7/25 was a legal item to sell in CA, on 7/26 CA says no more!!!! I dont want to send them back to my distributor but i have to, then so be it. Thanks for your help.
Perhaps reduce your margins, price them competitively to the rest of the non-CA market, and sell them to out of state customers thru your website? Just one thought other than returning them to your distributor.

I honestly cannot fanthom someone willing to pay an additional $75 or $100 to SSE a $300 gun.
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Can't you just sell them out of state? Put them on GunBroker or whatever.
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I got caught with a couple as well. It sucks that there was no heads up on this.
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So I have an off roster pistol now? Cool
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If you dont' want to loose money on them I have an FFL in AZ that I am sure would be interested in purchasing them from you so he can sell them to AZ Residents. PM Me if you are interested.
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Is there a way to single shot these SR22's i have? im a dealer and am now stuck with a product that on 7/25 was a legal item to sell in CA, on 7/26 CA says no more!!!! I dont want to send them back to my distributor but i have to, then so be it. Thanks for your help.
You might have to send them back, I just got a call from the manager of turners, she said they're sending back their entire stock. I can get a full refund on my purchase.

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Old 07-31-2013, 10:14 AM
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WTF? Giant oversight by Ruger, but they seem to know something as their website has been updated to reflect this falling off roster status.

Maybe something new is in the works? SR22-CA?
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WTF? Giant oversight by Ruger, but they seem to know something as their website has been updated to reflect this falling off roster status.

Maybe something new is in the works? SR22-CA?
Not unless it has micro-stamping capability now. Ain't gonna happen on a $300 gun. It's gone for good.
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Sr22 are now off list?? Damn I just saw them at turners a few months ago
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Sr22 are now off list?? Damn I just saw them at turners a few months ago
In this state, that may as well been a life-time ago. When it comes to eroding our gun rights, or spending money we don't have, the PRK moves disturbingly fast.
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You might have to send them back, I just got a call from the manager of turners, she said they're sending back their entire stock. I can get a full refund on my purchase.
If you want a S&W m&p22 print out the Riflegear price and take it to Turners. They will honor the price. I just started DROS on one.
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Old 07-31-2013, 1:30 PM
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If you want a S&W m&p22 print out the Riflegear price and take it to Turners. They will honor the price. I just started DROS on one.
I already own an m&p 9 full size, not really interested in getting another of the same gun. Thanks for the info though.
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Old 07-31-2013, 2:24 PM
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You are a dealer, yet you use rostered and legal interchangeably.
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Old 07-31-2013, 7:13 PM
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My rep called and is issuing a call tag for these, it sucks because i was supposed to get my raspberry freebie with this, i feel ruger should comp me a lcr 22 for still completing my package, i chose this package in particular for the raspberry sr 22, total fail on Ruger's end for screwing dealers. I personally own more ruger than any other firearm too. Just a major let down.
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Old 07-31-2013, 8:08 PM
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ffs i have been wanting to get one of these for a while now but i guess not
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My rep called and is issuing a call tag for these, it sucks because i was supposed to get my raspberry freebie with this, i feel ruger should comp me a lcr 22 for still completing my package, i chose this package in particular for the raspberry sr 22, total fail on Ruger's end for screwing dealers. I personally own more ruger than any other firearm too. Just a major let down.
It seems that it's actually California that's screwing Dealers and Citizens not Ruger. Ruger is making them, California isn't letting you sell them.
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Old 07-31-2013, 10:46 PM
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Went to turners and dros'd an sr45 cause I'm gangster like that.

Word is that they won't be resubmitting the sr22 for re-testing till next year, so.
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It seems that it's actually California that's screwing Dealers and Citizens not Ruger. Ruger is making them, California isn't letting you sell them.
If it's what Ruger says it is all they have to do is send one with the changes to get retested. The state doesn't care if Ruger sells in Ca. But it does affect Rugers customers. I have more Rugers in my collection than any other manufacturer and for them to turn their backs on their customers shows what kind of company they are.
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If it's what Ruger says it is all they have to do is send one with the changes to get retested. The state doesn't care if Ruger sells in Ca. But it does affect Rugers customers. I have more Rugers in my collection than any other manufacturer and for them to turn their backs on their customers shows what kind of company they are.
As far as im aware, nobody has microstamp tech yet. So as of now, no new guns can be added.
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Old 07-31-2013, 11:49 PM
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Effective July 26, 2013, the Ruger® SR22® pistol (Model Number 3600) was removed from the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale in California and, as a result, these pistols may not be legally sold there. This decision was due solely to a routine manufacturing change to the slide (unrelated to the function or performance of the pistol) that, under the law in California, may require re-testing. We are continuing to manufacture and ship SR22® pistols as before, though not for sale in California.
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Excuse my ignorance but are those of us that currently own Ruger SR22 pistols "grandfathered in" so we are still legal to own/possess them?
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Excuse my ignorance but are those of us that currently own Ruger SR22 pistols "grandfathered in" so we are still legal to own/possess them?
Yes, the "roster" only affects what an FFL dealer can sell to the public. It has nothing to do with possession or future person to person transfers.
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Excuse my ignorance but are those of us that currently own Ruger SR22 pistols "grandfathered in" so we are still legal to own/possess them?
Using rostered and legal interchangeably leads to this kind of confusion.
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Yes, the "roster" only affects what an FFL dealer can sell to the public. It has nothing to do with possession or future person to person transfers.
The future ability to PTP off-roster handguns may be in jeopardy with the one bill currently in the legislature...AB 169 passed the Assembly and is currently in suspense in the Senate Appropriations Committee, but it could still move forward.

Dang...this was one pistol I was thinking would make a good trainer for my son in a year or two. I'm thinking that it won't reappear, either, due to the microstamping requirement for all new submissions for testing. My local dealer also has 6 of these that he'll have to sell to LEO's or out of state.
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Is there a way to single shot these SR22's i have? im a dealer and am now stuck with a product that on 7/25 was a legal item to sell in CA, on 7/26 CA says no more!!!! I dont want to send them back to my distributor but i have to, then so be it. Thanks for your help.
Sounds like you are ripe for a lawsuit. Kamala Harris ring a bell?
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Not unless it has micro-stamping capability now. Ain't gonna happen on a $300 gun. It's gone for good.
Yeah no more SR22s here unless microstamping gets overturned.

Glad I got mine a year ago.
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Sounds like you are ripe for a lawsuit. Kamala Harris ring a bell?
Actually it sounds ripe for an added party or parties to Pena V Cid. I remember hearing about this at my LGS and we both thought it was weird because the DOJ had never sent a letter explicitly saying gun X was removed from the roster.

If the DOJ just removed a gun, can they legally really do that? I don't think the law says they can. The only way a gun is removed is if the manufacturer fails to pay the yearly roster tax or it fails specific and limited retesting. I don't think the state has the legal ability to revoke a gun that has passed the safety testing because of a slide change.

They could qualify it saying all guns made after date X are considered a new model but as long as Ruger paid the fee the old gun stays on the roster. Why does this matter? First the obvious bit now the DOJ has screwed dealers who had SR22 inventory. They also potentially inflicted economic harm on every SR22 owner in CA since they can no longer sell the SR22 to dealers for inventory. Fewer buyers = lower demand = lower pricing. In short your CA SR22 just lost value.

Reading the code again the only explicit way the DOJ can remove a model from the roster is if they retested it and it failed testing per 32020.

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32020. (a) The Attorney General may annually retest up to 5 percent
of the handgun models that are listed on the roster described in
subdivision (a) of Section 32015.
(b) The retesting of a handgun model pursuant to subdivision (a)
shall conform to the following:
(1) The Attorney General shall obtain from retail or wholesale
sources, or both, three samples of the handgun model to be retested.
(2) The Attorney General shall select the certified laboratory to
be used for the retesting.
(3) The ammunition used for the retesting shall be of a type
recommended by the manufacturer in the user manual for the handgun.
If the user manual for the handgun model makes no ammunition
recommendation, the Attorney General shall select the ammunition to
be used for the retesting. The ammunition shall be of the proper
caliber for the handgun, commercially available, and in new
condition.
(c) The retest shall be conducted in the same manner as the
testing prescribed in Sections 31900 and 31905.
(d) If the handgun model fails retesting, the Attorney General
shall remove the handgun model from the roster maintained pursuant to
subdivision (a) of Section 32015.
Note the retesting actually ignores any requirements specified in 31910 such as LCI, magazine disconnects or microstampting. Lack of any of those features won't cause a firearm to fail retesting.

In short I want to know what grounds they are claiming removal? A dimension change is not grounds for removal...they can say it's a 'new model' but the old model would still remain on the roster so long as ruger paid and it didn't fail retesting.

If the DOJ doesn't show the SR22 failed retesting under 31900 and 31905 then it sounds like anyone who owns an SR22 or carried SR22 stock could have grounds to bring a class action lawsuit against the AG.
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Effective July 26, 2013, the Ruger® SR22® pistol (Model Number 3600) was removed from the Roster of Handguns Certified for Sale in California and, as a result, these pistols may not be legally sold there. This decision was due solely to a routine manufacturing change to the slide (unrelated to the function or performance of the pistol) that, under the law in California, may require re-testing. We are continuing to manufacture and ship SR22® pistols as before, though not for sale in California.
There was one more sentence that Ruger had added to this memo that went out to the local gun shops:

"Anticipating your question, we do not know when the SR22 pistol will again be available in California, but we will advise you when it is.

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There was one more sentence that Ruger had added to this memo that went out to the local gun shops:

"Anticipating your question, we do not know when the SR22 pistol will again be available in California, but we will advise you when it is.

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Some of the guys at turners had told me that they won't be retesting till next year.
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Some of the guys at turners had told me that they won't be retesting till next year.
Wow. Hope this is not right. Hope the microstamping issue does not prevent the gun from getting back on the Roster.
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I'm new to Calguns. Here's a question to any FFL owner. I've been caught in Ruger SR22 linbo. Purchased the pistol at Turners on 7/22. Paid for in full including DROS fee and started 10 wait. Pick-up window 7/30-8/19. Turners calls and says "there is a problem". He goes on to say it has been de-listed as of 7/26 and he can't sell it to me. I tell him you already have, you are just holding it for me. He says their policy is the transaction is completed when you pick it up. Offers to refund or sell me another firearm. Other FFLs in the area were delivering on all SR22s DROSed before 7/26. Any advice???
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I'm new to Calguns. Here's a question to any FFL owner. I've been caught in Ruger SR22 linbo. Purchased the pistol at Turners on 7/22. Paid for in full including DROS fee and started 10 wait. Pick-up window 7/30-8/19. Turners calls and says "there is a problem". He goes on to say it has been de-listed as of 7/26 and he can't sell it to me. I tell him you already have, you are just holding it for me. He says their policy is the transaction is completed when you pick it up. Offers to refund or sell me another firearm. Other FFLs in the area were delivering on all SR22s DROSed before 7/26. Any advice???
If you did it through turners you might have to get a refund, I think by this time they already sent their stock back to ruger.

I drosd mine through turners also, same exact problem as you,got dropped during my 10 day wait. I got a refund then drosd an sr45 instead.
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Doesn't someone make a threaded barrel for it? Threaded barrel, extension, and magwell block and you have SSE capability, right?
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Thanks for the reply. A friend purchased theirs the same day from another FFL and they delivered on day 10. Feel as if Turners is pulling a fast one on us. Their paperwork/contract clearly states " All sales are final, no returns or refunds" Seems as though I owned that pistol on the day I paid for it in full including DROS fee. Turners was just holding it for 10 days. I wonder if Turners would have waived their contract terms if I had not performed. It should go both ways.
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