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Old 07-21-2013, 8:54 AM
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I just got a new m44. Matching numbers, clean bore, its really a work of art. I took it to Metcalf yesterday, and had a blast. The problem is, with the ammo I used, I was shooting minute of fat Russian at 100 yards. I'm a halfway decent shot with modern rifles, but I was all over the paper with big5 MFS ammo. My brother also shot it, and had the same problem.

He found half a box of wwb, so we shot that. It grouped way better, still not great, maybe 5 MOA. Then we both shot a 91/30 with each ammo, and the MFS sucked and the wwb was fair. I'm willing to blame my bad accuracy on ammo.

Should I expect terrible accuracy with all steel surplus? If I buy a spam can for $.24 a round, am I going to be all over the paper? Midway has ppu and s&b for $16ish a box, but if I want to spend that much for accuracy I'll just shoot .30-06.

What is the most accurate 7.62x54r ammo that won't cost an arm and a leg?

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Old 07-21-2013, 9:18 AM
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I've only bought 2 kinds of 7.62x54; the '40s on stripper clips in the 300 round cans and Silvertip from various countries.

Silvertip works pretty well -- minute of paper plate at 75 to 100+ yards is plenty good enough.

Our habit has become to bring a Mosin and, last thing before we pack up, each shooter is given a loaded stripper clip and we pick something off in the distance to shoot at. Casual fun with cheap ammo: it's what Mosin does best.
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I have a PSL in AK furniture and the most accurate 7.62x54R for it is the Prvi Partizan. Ammoman has it.
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I'm surprised the MFS shot so poorly for you. I've found it to be better than either the Russian heavy or light ball surplus by a touch. The best ammo I've shot is PPU and some Soviet brass cased "match" ammo. The worst is the new production Russian...it comes in a white box. I think it is made by Ulyanovsk but I'm not sure. It's pretty shoddily made and shoots like it.

With the M44 you may want to try shooting with the bayonet extended. That doesn't really explain the ammo variation, but it will help close up your groups a little bit.

PPU can be found online for about $14/box...a better deal than Winchester in any case.
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Prvi Partizan surplus, aka Yugo M30 ball if you can find it any more.


And notice that someone else is vouching for the modern PPU as well.

Both of these are heavy ball, that's why I like it so much.
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PPU works best for me, a huge improvement over surplus. Although I shoot more surplus than anything.....

I just watched a review of good commercial ammo on youtube by a guy named Iraqveteran
do a search and he will turn up.
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There are way too many factors involved to give a one size fits all answer to what is the best x54 ammo.

Bore size - projectile size - powder variance - bore condition - trigger.. on and on

One ammo may shoot great in one rifle and suck in another

If your using iron sights @ 100 i would say 5moa is about avg for a carbine

That being said IMO the best ammunition by far no question is the Russian Extra Match surplus
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I think all of the spam can stuff is satisfactory. My Mosin accuracy tightened up dramatically when I stopped flinching, closing my eyes in anticipation, and letting go of the rifle when it went off.
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Remember, you are shooting a carbine...
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Remember, you are shooting a carbine...

carbine or not...5-7 MOA at 100 yards...that's still pretty damn bad
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saw a test on a mosin in surplus mag a while back. trhe surplus shot better than the horniday. ?
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I think all of the spam can stuff is satisfactory. My Mosin accuracy tightened up dramatically when I stopped flinching, closing my eyes in anticipation, and letting go of the rifle when it went off.

THIS!!!! Plus make sure those screws are tightened!
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I'm surprised the MFS shot so poorly for you. I've found it to be better than either the Russian heavy or light ball surplus by a touch. The best ammo I've shot is PPU and some Soviet brass cased "match" ammo. The worst is the new production Russian...it comes in a white box. I think it is made by Ulyanovsk but I'm not sure. It's pretty shoddily made and shoots like it.

With the M44 you may want to try shooting with the bayonet extended. That doesn't really explain the ammo variation, but it will help close up your groups a little bit.

PPU can be found online for about $14/box...a better deal than Winchester in any case.
Bayonet retracted/extended makes a huge diff with my M44. Usually shoot Bulgarian silver tip (pretty sure its '72 Bulgarian) and some brass case stuff (cant remember, prebably was the Partizan stuff) but had best results with the surplus. The biggest factor for my accuracy is the bayonet and having it extended when shooting. 7 inches left @ 100 yards unextended, extended back to tight groups. For WIW...
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Old 07-22-2013, 11:11 AM
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There are way too many factors involved to give a one size fits all answer to what is the best x54 ammo.
^^^ This.
As for the most consistent and accurate milsurp ammo, the Czech silvertip has yet to be equaled, even by the so called "sniper" ammo. Unfortunately, that's why you can't find it any more.
Every Mosin I have, or have had, preferred one flavor of milsurp ammo. Three M39's, one likes Russian lightball, another shoots 2" groups at 100yrds with Czech practice ammo, another prints a 6" pattern at 100yrds with lightball, but will make consistent hits at 800yrds in a 16" circle, with Bulgarian heavyball.
"Most" carbine versions shoot better with lightball, mainly because "you" will shoot better. Heavyball will pound you and make you flinch. The Wolf 200+grn hunting loads will beat the snot out of you. Privi PPU lightball is your best choice for commercially loaded ammo.
M44's were sighted in with the bayo extended. On some rifles, this makes little to no change in point of impact. On others it's dramatic, I have one when the bayo is extended, the grouping will move 8-10" to the right.
If you are are all over the target, try loosening the action screws, tighten the front one first, then the rear, and see if that tightens up your group.
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Old 07-22-2013, 9:31 PM
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I thought it was heavy ball in m44s and light in 9130?. I've only shot heavy ball in m44 so far and I smacked 9 inch plates fairly regular at 90yds
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Bayonet retracted/extended makes a huge diff with my M44. Usually shoot Bulgarian silver tip (pretty sure its '72 Bulgarian) and some brass case stuff (cant remember, prebably was the Partizan stuff) but had best results with the surplus. The biggest factor for my accuracy is the bayonet and having it extended when shooting. 7 inches left @ 100 yards unextended, extended back to tight groups. For WIW...
I have always heard they were sighted with the bayo fixed, that may be why.
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I ordered some assorted flavors from Midway this morning. I ended up with PPU 182gr FMJ, PPU 150gr soft point, S&B 180gr FMJ, and silver bear 174gr FMJ. I guess I'll see how these work.

I'm hesitant to spend $100 on a case of ammo that may suck, because it'll take years to shoot 440 rounds through a mosin at the rate I shoot. Does anybody want to sell me a couple boxes worth of various surplus ammo that I can try? I'm in the Bay Area.

Re: Bayonet, I shot it both extended and folded. Made no discernible difference. I will make sure the screws are tightened in the proper order.
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I've had opposite experience out of a psl and 91-30 the ppu ammo is absolutely horrible just awful compared to the silver tip Russian surplus.
It seemed like every round of ppu ammo was 6in off in every direction with both rifles.
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Surplus is my flavor, 91/30 70s-80s productions and yellow tip for the M39
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There are way too many factors involved to give a one size fits all answer to what is the best x54 ammo.

Bore size - projectile size - powder variance - bore condition - trigger.. on and on

One ammo may shoot great in one rifle and suck in another

If your using iron sights @ 100 i would say 5moa is about avg for a carbine

That being said IMO the best ammunition by far no question is the Russian Extra Match surplus
^^^THIS

In general, most of my MN's (particularly M39's, M44's) like:

1. LVE Extra 203gr (No longer imported)
2. Russian Extra Match 203gr (Hard to find)
3. Russian Match 182gr (Available online)
4. PPU Match 182gr (Available online)
5. Russian Heavy Ball 182gr (Yellow Tip) (Hard to find)
6. 7N1 Russian 152gr (Hard to find)

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I personally use Prvi PPU Match and Russian Surplus Match getting sub-1MOA
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Hi Mosin experts,

I just picked up about - conservative estimate - 1000 rounds of this 7.62X54mm for the Maxim - just in case we get invaded by the Ottoman Empire.

I was told it was a reliable round - my only concern is the odd hot round that will damage the mechanics.
*I have a German Semi, that shoots 8mm - there is a strain of Turkish 8mm that apparently (according to the MG42.forums) has sent more of my make of semi to the repair shop than anything else.

There is little on the web about the Maxim - any of you had powder inconsistencies with this silver tip (different sound report, recoil, fliers, etc.,) - case in focus markings:
"79" at 6 O'Clock, "21" at 12 O'Clock.



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Hi Mosin experts,

I just picked up about - conservative estimate - 1000 rounds of this 7.62X54mm for the Maxim - just in case we get invaded by the Ottoman Empire.

I was told it was a reliable round - my only concern is the odd hot round that will damage the mechanics.
*I have a German Semi, that shoots 8mm - there is a strain of Turkish 8mm that apparently (according to the MG42.forums) has sent more of my make of semi to the repair shop than anything else.

There is little on the web about the Maxim - any of you had powder inconsistencies with this silver tip (different sound report, recoil, fliers, etc.,) - case in focus markings:
"79" at 6 O'Clock, "21" at 12 O'Clock.
IIRC the 21 is Bulgarian, 79 is the manufacture date.
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The best? Tough call but if I had to pick I would go with Norinco ball 150g brass cases 480in a tin 20 rd packets wrapped in paper and tied with string, $34. Best, what does best mean? What do you expect from a carbine?

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Thanks Brian - with that info. I can research further - cheers!
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That's actually Hungarian light ball. It was around en mass a few years ago. I got a few tins.

Very nice looking cartridges. Good stuff, about avg as far as accuracy

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I'd be happy with pie plate accuracy at 100 yards.
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Thanks Vlad!

It will be heading quite quickly towards the range backstop shortly

Got me a few quarts of Castrol 10w 40 to pour into the mechanism and were off.
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Best I've tried is 147gr Brown Bear Match.

Worst is that '47 vintage heavy ball in strippers that was going around awhile back. I could actually hear and feel a difference from round to round. Like they said, though. You bought the strippers and got free ammo!

Here's everything you need to know about x54R ammo.

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