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Old 07-11-2013, 11:59 AM
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Default M&P9 USPSA and IDPA with trigger job

As the title states, is it legal? Im getting an APEX trigger job done as we speak. Can I still use it with the aftermarket trigger at both USPSA and IDPA competitions? Will be new to the whole thing and will be trying my hands at a practice session next month.
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Old 07-11-2013, 12:01 PM
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IIRC as long as all the safties are still in place, and their is no external modification ( this is for USPSA production ).

You need to be a bit more specific on the division you plan on shooting.
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Does removing the magazine disconnect affect classification? Those M&Ps in free-states are sold w/o mag disconnects...
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Does removing the magazine disconnect affect classification? Those M&Ps in free-states are sold w/o mag disconnects...
Not in IDPA.
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In USPSA, the Apex FSS, or the polymer trigger, takes you out of Production

In IDPA, the FSS moves you from SSP to ESP

Internal action work has no affect on the class you compete in
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In USPSA, the Apex FSS, or the polymer trigger, takes you out of Production

In IDPA, the FSS moves you from SSP to ESP

Internal action work has no affect on the class you compete in
So in USPSA that would put me in what division? And in IDPA what is SSP to ESP?

Sorry I am a newb to all this. Maybe I shouldntve done the trigger job, just didnt like the way the stock trigger felt. Now it feels awesome, I mean I can literally feel it!!!

I have never shot in any competition. If this moves me up, will it be more difficult?
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In USPSA, it would move you into Limited-10 (L-10) or Limited...depending on your magazine size. You'd be shooting against highly customized 1911s; but without optics or compensators. The biggest disadvantage is that in shooting 9mm, you'll be scored Minor, which is a pretty big handicap.

In IDPA, SSP is Stock Service Pistol and ESP is Enhanced Service Pistol. ESP shooters usually shoot customized SAO pistols. I shoot ESP and like it better than SSP...I think there are fewer sandbaggers
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Ok....been looking at other forums and websites and videos. It'll be competitive in either category Im in. Think I'll be ok.
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Tagged. Thanks 9mmepiphany
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Op, were you the guy I was speaking to in Outdoor Sportsman in Stockton on Friday? Did you get a chance to shoot it this weekend, and if so, how did it go?
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Yes Im the guy, and will be heading to the range tomorrow in the morning to try it out. Got real busy over the weekend and signed up for IDPA clinic and competition August 3-4.
I will let ypu know how it feels.

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If you're down in that area, you should also check out the IDPA match at Winton on the 3rd Saturday of each month
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I have never shot in any competition. If this moves me up, will it be more difficult?
Not really a big deal in IDPA. but in USPSA, being bumped to Limited or Limited-10 with that gun will put you at a severe disadvantage.

Remember that you can always put the factory trigger back in. You still get the smoother trigger pull from the trigger job, but you lose the reduced take-up/reset that the FSS trigger provides.
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Yes Im the guy, and will be heading to the range tomorrow in the morning to try it out. Got real busy over the weekend and signed up for IDPA clinic and competition August 3-4.
I will let ypu know how it feels.
Do you have more info on the clinic/competition. I may be interested.
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There's a USPSA match in Oakdale every 3rd Sunday and a "newcomer" match on the 1st Sunday.
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Do you have more info on the clinic/competition. I may be interested.
Here you go
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Have fun!

Gear won't make you competitive.. it's all about the user.

USPSA has their rule book online.. just click to the Appendix D, they have the Division Rules and Gear Laid out nicely.
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As 9mmepiphany posted.....just email and you should get a response. Im signed up and ready.

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Do you have more info on the clinic/competition. I may be interested.
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That trigger pull is close to nothin from what it was stock....very nice, and can actually feel it. Wish I was on private property or BLM to really try it out.


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Yeah, I think thats the most important thing....I already have fun going out and shooting paper, but with this, itll make me think.

I do have a tendancy to research a subject till I can no longer research it. With this case looking at other leagues/associations/clubs etc. And also looking at equipment wise. I mean who doesnt like a new item for there range/shooting bag.

Im going in there with my m&p9 and a couple of mags, a galco paddle mag holder and a cheap fobus paddle holster. Belt Im gonna be using is a red wing leather belt measured at 1 1/2 inches going through dickies. Itsd the only beltr I own!!

I may upgrade my belt, to get a lil stiffer one, but other than that Im good.



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Gear won't make you competitive.. it's all about the user.

USPSA has their rule book online.. just click to the Appendix D, they have the Division Rules and Gear Laid out nicely.
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Thanks kmca......I was actually first thinking of doing that one, then talked to a couple of guys I know at my local gun shop and are all headed out to Sac for IDPA. I would like to try both to see which one Id like more. Ammo count IDPA might be good for I do not reload handgun ammo nor am I filthy rich. And with my current setup on my M&P from what Im hearing on here is that it wont be too awesome in USPSA. But I do like how you can use speed holsters and mag holders for USPSA.

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From a beginnerís perspective, action pistol is so much fun! I just started shooting IDPA/USPSA this year, also with an M&P9. Mods I have done are just Apex sear block, Apex USB kit, and front Dawson Precision FO sight. I was just doing IDPA matches at first, but when I tried out a USPSA match, I was instantly hooked and prefer it over IDPA.

I would suggest getting a drop offset holster. I bought an OWB Bladetech holster and now looking to get the DOH attachment for it. No race holster for production (L10 too?) in USPSA, DOH not allowed in IDPA. I gave a 5.11 leather belt, but quickly realized that a race belt from CR Speed or Double Alpha is much more convenient in a USPSA match. I have Bladetech double mag pouch but would like to change to CR Speed Versa pouch soon. IDPA legal is usually USPSA legal but not the other way around.
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Thanks for the info on IDPA. I was shooting USPSA in Oakdale but have run out of time lately. Need to get back into it and may try this class.
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