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Old 07-01-2013, 9:44 PM
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Would it be legal to load Hg in a hollow point bullet sealed with wax?
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Old 07-01-2013, 9:56 PM
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Would it be legal to load Hg in a hollow point bullet sealed with wax?
LoL. Someone been watching The Exterminator (1980) or something?

Trying to make your own DRT rounds?

I would think that if you were to load that up and used it on someone, you could be shown to be a whacko who was just waiting for an opportunity to use it, when and if you ever got to use it. All of this would be shown in court.

Furthermore, WAX? really? I would think that Solder would be a better choice, AND much more closer to the movie.
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one would have to ask why?

Are you such a bad shot that you want mercury poisoning to kill them on their walk home?
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Wax won't seal it, the first time you point your muzzle down it will all run out
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:22 PM
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Yeah, I think you need to ask yourself what it is that you are trying to accomplish. AND, depending on the cavity size, you might have issues if you do not weigh properly.

If you had read a book you might already the danger of modifying the weight of a bullet and match up your charge properly. Some folks might just go, 230gr HP + mercury, hmmm, what kinds of 230gr loads can I find...
then you shoot and get a kaboom and mercury gets in your eye. And you are done. Glad you came here first now huh? Make sure to wear glasses when you pull that trigger.

0o0o they also have those capsules that you can buy that are empty and you can shoot them. Fill them up with mercury, seal them with whatever seals good and weigh and make a load. THAT might be cool. Lead shot on one side and mercury on the other...
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Old 07-01-2013, 10:33 PM
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It would change the bullets center of gravity and likely hurt accuracy.
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I don't like laughing as posts by new members- but jeez- read around on the forum and you might realize that Glock talk might be a better place.
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To answer your question I think I read somewhere making exploding bullets is not legal in ca and some DA will think that your little trick will work... Or he will charge you for trying to make one.


In reality it does not work. Knights Armament did a lot of bullet testing when I worked there in the 80's and we did play with some of the movie myth ideas just for kicks and none of them actually worked. The closest thing I got to something blowing up was a drilled out 45 with flash powder and a primer, although it did do some very impressive fragmentation I think it was due to the lighter weight (I.E. higher velocity) and extra large cavity with a thinner wall construction that
made it fly apart. In one case the bullet jacket landed at my feet... lol


I like Stilly's question; "what it is that you are trying to accomplish?"
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For christ's sake,
its an interesting question all gunners have toyed with,
we all know assassins use this round,
I saw it in a movie!
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Yeah poison, great way to get yourself a 1st degree murder charge.
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http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=639172

also a dumb idea that has no practical application.
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I thought I read that John Hinkley used some kind of .22 'explosive' bullets to shoot reagan? They had a primer in the tip of some kind?

Maybe I'm making it up but I think I remember googling for the info and I think they kinda sorta even worked.

Yeah I remember as a kid the eeeeeevil "dum dum" bullets with the X carved in the nose, and the kid from the Waltons in a MOW putting candle wax in a shotgun shell to make a slug I guess to kill his mom in some kind of mercy killing.

What the heck did I watch as a kid?!?
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Mercury dissolves lead. If you put it in the hollow point it will soften the lead core and that is why the bullet expands better, although it may not be too accurate.
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Mercury dissolves lead. If you put it in the hollow point it will soften the lead core and that is why the bullet expands better, although it may not be too accurate.
That would be bada** to shoot a liquified bullet.

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Wait, is that F*** or S***? Becuase if its one of those? Its illegal to F*** or take a S*** now?! What SB/AB is this?!?! We need to over turn it quick!!
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As F***.

If it makes anyone feel better i've seen mercury tipped bullets loaded into a .38 SPL before.
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Hinkley didn't use exploding anything.. he used standard 22 lr hollow point varmint ammo.. in a very very cheap revolver (RG). It didn't explode in the sense of explosives, it fragmented in the way lead does when very soft lead hits bone (something somewhat harder). If Hinkley had used a 38, George Bush SR would have been president sooner.
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If no companies are making them, chances are it has been tested and didn't work. Bullets are made the way they are for a reason. Even if you could find something that worked and had to use it, chances are you would have extra charges laid against you. No more watching Jaws, or whatever else it was.
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Sheriff are you making more rounds for Jaws!
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Sheriff are you making more rounds for Jaws!
He'd need a garand instead Always been my favorite part of that movie!!!
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That would be bada** to shoot a liquified bullet.

I think they used those in Matrix.

When the agents shot, they filmed them in high speed cameras and they put off liquified shockwaves. It was crazy. Then when the helicopter crashed into the side of the building it created a HUGE ripple, because, you guessed it, Agent Smith filled the gas tank with liquified/mercury tipped 50 A.E. ROUNDS from a DEAGLE IN 50 A.E.! YEAH! GO AGENT SMITH! Then they filmed it but they had only ONE chance to film it so they set up something like 1.5 million cameras to get all possible angles... Crazy, I know.

But essentially, if you shoot someone with liquid bullets then you have to hit them in the ankle apparently and that will keep them from jumping out a window on their own and into a helicopter...

OH, are these for JAWS? They will not work on Jaws. He has eaten a lot of mercury tuna and is immune to mercury or any effects. It is best just to stick with sodium or lithium embedded in the lead.

Now THAT would be cool, to have a sodium or lithium infused bullet so when it hits and gets exposure to water it can blow up...
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You don't need mercury filled bullets for Jaws, just a 10mm.
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Lol wtf. You hunting vampires or something? Get out of fantasy land. This is ridiculous and probably highly illegal.
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You will also be breaking several state and federal hazmat laws.
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Just bite the bullet so to speak and buy some Glaser Safety Ammo. Unmatched devastation when used correctly and not stopped by armor or really heavy clothing.
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Which ones are those?
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Which ones are those?
California for one. Liquid mercury is considered a Title 22 environmental hazard here. We just had to pull all the floats from a job because they were mercury contact switches.

http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/hazardouswaste/mercury/

Technically, you're not even legally allowed to throw flourescent lights in the trash here due to mercury vapor.

http://www.dtsc.ca.gov/hazardouswast...ubes-trash.pdf
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Has anybody here, besides me, ever tried this? I've tried it, and it works. When I was a teenager, my buddy and I shot a variety of pistol and rifle ammunition into a fifty pound block of clay in the desert and measured the resulting "wound cavities." We started with .22 LR fired from a bolt action rifle. We tested .22 LR solids, hollowpoints, mercury-tipped, and exploding. We made the mercury tipped by drilling out a .22 LR hollowpoint bullet to make a bigger cavity, then filling it with mercury, and capping it with wax. The exploding .22s were made in the same way, except that powder from a firecracker was used instead of mercury. Both the mercury and exploding bullets made much larger cavities in the clay than solids or hollowpoints. So, it does work with .22 LR. We didn't try it with larger calibers.

Is it legal? Probably not. Many of the experiments we did as teenagers were not.

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The exploding .22s were made in the same way, except that powder from a firecracker was used instead of mercury.
How was the powder from the firecracker ignited on impact?
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it seems like it would destablilze rather quickly and start to tumble if it has any space to move around. and you would have to weigh it out so you dont make too much pressure due to the weight of the mercury. one cubic inch of mercury weighs just about 8oz one cubic inch of lead weighs just about 6.5oz. so you would have to be very careful with pressures. It could also shift the weight and make the bullet tumble.
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I think I read somewhere on the ATF site that you can't modify bullets. IIRC?


I had a hair brained idea for something and looked it up.

They spoil all kinds of fun stuff.
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Alright, you made me look it up. NYTIMES link

Who knows if it's true or not, but it was in the paper of record.

"WASHINGTON, April 2 The Federal Bureau of Investigation has determined that special explosive bullets, called Devastators, were fired at President Reagan on Monday."

AR15.com says Devastators had a small pistol primer inserted into the hollow point, take it FWIW, but IIRC that's accurate.



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I think I read somewhere on the ATF site that you can't modify bullets. IIRC?


I had a hair brained idea for something and looked it up.

They spoil all kinds of fun stuff.
Maybe they should pass a law then...

Cause you know, if you pass a law, then nobody would break it...
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Apparently there are some Mercury tipped bullets:

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come on rookie... get more practical.

UV infused bullets, playa

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How was the powder from the firecracker ignited on impact?
Firecracker powder is apparently pressure-sensitive at moderate velocities. By "firecracker powder," I'm referring to the silver-colored powder inside commercial firecrackers, which used to be plentiful when I was a kid. I believe it's a mixture of aluminum dust and very fine blackpowder. We first tested the sensitivity by putting firecracker powder in the base of an air rifle pellet, capping it with wax, inverting the pellet, and loading it backwards (kind of like a big hollowpoint). When fired against a brick wall, the pellet exploded every time with a bang. When we later used firecracker powder in the .22 LR vs. the clay block study, there was evidence of explosion in the resulting wound cavity, e.g. singed clay and many small lead fragments.

Not that I would advocate anybody to actually do this. I was just a devious teen at the time, having fun. I did all sorts of stupid things that I would never do now. .... but I did learn how to make silencers, zip guns, thermite, and pipe bombs. The nitroglycerin never worked out, and I still have a small scar from the nitric acid to remind me how stupid I was.

Those were the days when kids did stuff like that and got away with it!
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