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Old 07-14-2013, 6:19 PM
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well how about a mosin team any body interested?
I plan to shoot my mosin in the scoped class.
any body interested.
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here is a picture of todays ammo test session
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Dave, Since you are a new member you missed our Mosin vs Mauser match a few months ago. Well the Mauser team spanked the Mosin team at every class but one. The best the Mosin team achieved at that match was a tie in the AA class but all other class the Mosin lost by a big margin. If you can gather a group of brave Mosin shooters to go up against either the Swiss or the Mauser team for round II then start working on it.

You are welcome to come out with your scoped Mosin and shoot in the open class. You will be up against outstanding shooters in the open class shooting very accurate scoped Swiss K31s and 1911s, Swedish Mausers, 03-A3s and 1917s. That target you posted looks great and you should do well. Make sure you have at least 65-70 rounds of HP/SP ammo as no FMJ/AP are allowed.

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i need to rent a swede and buy some hand-loads please

I really really want to shoot...I promise I will be there someday.

As far as FMJ..sure you can shoot TRUE FMJ on the steel range..meaning copper over lead and no steal or other hardened metal in that bullet. BUT!!!! The next thing is you will need to also bring your own steel farm animals to plink..that is the tougher part.

...must get a swede..... must get a swede...must get press..ect..
Coincidentally, I'll have a Swede for sale at the match....m38 carbine...
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thanks for the info .
sorry I missed the previous mosin spanking.
I look forward to seeing all the good shooting this next weekend.
i'll try to root for the underdogs, any opinions on which team that will be?
I shot some steel this last Saturday for the first time with some box ammo(I needed to empty some cases anyway).
had a good time but the factory ammo wasn't up to the challenge.
the handloads should help.
174 smk. over 4895
see you Saturday.
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Old 07-14-2013, 9:30 PM
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I can assure you one thing, there will be some good shooting from both the Swiss and the Mauser side. Both sides are loaded with outstanding shooters so this will be a fun match to watch. Unlike the one sides victory of the Mauser team over the Mosin, this will be a very close match.
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Bill:

Brian D. is coming along in my truck. You guys would definitely get along if you shoot together. If you don't get partnered before we get there, you should consider Brian, unless he partners behind my back. "So says Cupid!"

That is a nice 1917 but I gots my own now.

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Hey Ford,

I'd definitely partner up with Brian if he doesn't mind shooting with a newb.

Glad you got a 1917. Thought for a while there that I may not make it back home with my 1917.

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Really enjoying the friendly banter between Mauser and Swiss marksman here! I'm a greenhorn to military weapons and I've managed to pick up 2 Swedish Mausers to get me started.

Is this "event" spectator friendly? It sounds like you all know how to hit the target and have fun at the same time.
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Really enjoying the friendly banter between Mauser and Swiss marksman here! I'm a greenhorn to military weapons and I've managed to pick up 2 Swedish Mausers to get me started.

Is this "event" spectator friendly? It sounds like you all know how to hit the target and have fun at the same time.
Absolutely. Come on out, bring your Swedes and some HP/SP ammo and evenif you don't want to compete there are always enough of us hanging around after to give you some pointers. Really is a great bunch of folks, of course we give each other a bad time but its all in fun.
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Old 07-18-2013, 10:23 AM
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Two days left for the Swiss vs Mauser showdown.

The Mauser team shooting in the as issued class had a good practice on Tuesday. This should be a fun match. Hope to see lots of shooters there.
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The Swiss shooters don't need the practice, their guns are that much better.....
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True but the the Mauser team needs all the help we can get after all we are not shooting a $90 sub MOA Mosin. If we were we would not need to practice and just show up and get a perfect 40...just can't restrain myself.
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Looks like I'm in for the Swiss team - sorry! May be coming out with Dean and just hope I don't stink the place up too badly!
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Old 07-19-2013, 8:33 AM
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Looks like you and Dean are coming back and both shooting K31s? The Mauser Team is in trouble.
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Dang it got called into work tomorrow.

Hope you guys have another match next month.

I may have my SMLE ready by then.

Good luck Mauser team!
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I still think y'all need to have a 91/30 vs 98K match...

Just sayin'.

Time to shoot with some handicaps.
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Old 07-19-2013, 10:21 AM
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Bill, We have the military match every 3rd Saturday of the month. The next one is August 17th. In addition, there is a Garand/semi auto silhouette match August 25th and October 27th. Also Modesto Rifle Club has a monthly match 100 & 200 yards on the bench every fist Saturday of the month.

rojocorsa, As much as members of this board talk about how great Mosins are, they never show up at matches. You see them once and never see them again. It's like pulling teeth to make them show up. Maybe they don't want to show off with their tack driver Mosins? I don't know. Now ushering the 98K crowd to show up well good luck with that.

The most rifle shot at Sac Valley match by far is the Swiss K31s/1911s and Mausers (Swedish, 1903, 03-A3, 1917, various Mauser contract etc). There are a few Mosins of the Finn type but rare to find a $90 sub MOA Mosins.
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Bill, We have the military match every 3rd Saturday of the month. The next one is August 17th. In addition, there is a Garand/semi auto silhouette match August 25th and October 27th. Also Modesto Rifle Club has a monthly match 100 & 200 yards on the bench every fist Saturday of the month.

rojocorsa, As much as members of this board talk about how great Mosins are, they never show up at matches. You see them once and never see them again. It's like pulling teeth to make them show up. Maybe they don't want to show off with their tack driver Mosins? I don't know. Now ushering the 98K crowd to show up well good luck with that.

The most rifle shot at Sac Valley match by far is the Swiss K31s/1911s and Mausers (Swedish, 1903, 03-A3, 1917, various Mauser contract etc). There are a few Mosins of the Finn type but rare to find a $90 sub MOA Mosins.

As much as I love the banter here on CGN, your bashing on Josh Smith (the "sub MOA Mosins comments) is getting a little old. The man lives in another state, and cannot attend your "special" matches.
Some of us live in other places (like so cal), and work for a living supporting families, making it inconvenient to come to sac valley to watch you stroke your ego.
Ive competed in many vintage rifle matches (and placed as well), qualified expert rifle in the PIR's (Army), and have qual'd with a B4 ASI (look it up).
Below is pics of a $89 (thats what I paid for it from WG&A a decade ago) MOA 10 shot group with an M39.

Please grow up, or STFU

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Howie44, what was your best distance grouping for your ASI? In the meantime don't get your panties in a ruffle with the guys here. Its all part of the shooting match world. You know what I mean. Even on base we would all razz each other on our scores. Practice your breathing, relax and get a laugh out of some of these threads. It's all good. Other than that, I'll see you guys at the match tomorrow.
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Easy Howie, he's just poking fun and no where have I seen him stroking his ego on Calguns. In fact, every score sheet he's posted has had the names redacted. Relax dude.
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Old 07-19-2013, 5:16 PM
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I've never stroked my ego here or in person as I have none due to poor performance at each match. I'm not in the shooting level of Vern or Paul. I'll be the first one to admit I suck all the time and some days suck more than others. If you've read my post where I was "stroking my ego" please quote me and post it here for everyone to read.

I'm sure with your shooting ability if you ever come to our matches you will just dominate us mortal shooters and I'm sure will win each and every match. So I'm glad you like in SoCal so us mortal will have a chance at winning. My goal for each match is not to go below 18 which is my lowest score. If I can do that then it is a good day.

I believe is was Josh Smith who said he can beat any Mauser and can beat me with his $90 sub MOA Mosin and said "I promise". What a blatant and irresponsible statement as he don't know who I am as we have never met. He could have been challenging the legend in high power David Tubb.

In any case it's all for fun. If you ever show up for our matches it's always mentioned the "sub MOA rifles" and all in plain fun. The people that know me like 0321jarhead and 1-M-42 knows better.

Dean are you all loaded up for the K31? I hope I have enough ammo as all I loaded up for the M96 is 60 rounds. Praying to get dialed in on the swingers within a couple of shots and no shoot off and I should have enough.

I know Bob is leading the Swiss team and he is ready to bring out that monster high dollar ZFK55 with that funny looking thing (I had to restrain myself Bob from calling it something else) at the end of the barrel.

I just hope we have enough Mauser shooter to represent each class. This will be a more even match and each team will do well. This will be lots of fun. See you Swiss team in the morning.
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I think I am shooting the Swede Mouser so the low class is covered. I have a hundred Swiss loaded with 41.5 AA 4064 and 175 Bergers. CCI BR-2s. They will be in the small crane truck if you guys need some. Bergers because that was what was available.
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Dean are you all loaded up for the K31? I hope I have enough ammo as all I loaded up for the M96 is 60 rounds. Praying to get dialed in on the swingers within a couple of shots and no shoot off and I should have enough.

I know Bob is leading the Swiss team and he is ready to bring out that monster high dollar ZFK55 with that funny looking thing (I had to restrain myself Bob from calling it something else) at the end of the barrel.

I just hope we have enough Mauser shooter to represent each class. This will be a more even match and each team will do well. This will be lots of fun. See you Swiss team in the morning.
I am ready for the firing line. I am going to have to shoot some commercial (PPU 7.5X55 SP) at the match. As being new to reloading I made 20 rounds that I would like to try after the match if possible. Mine is 180 BTHP Sierra, OAL 2.90 w/ 37.0gr of H4895. The PPU I will be able to reload for the next match.

And am looking forward to checking out Bob's beautiful rifle too.
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Darn Ford you are styling with the Berger bullets. Are you shooting that Swede you stole for $250 that you shot Tuesday? It was shooting well at the Rams so shoot for the Mauser team as we need all the help we can get.
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Bill:

Brian D. is coming along in my truck. You guys would definitely get along if you shoot together. If you don't get partnered before we get there, you should consider Brian, unless he partners behind my back. "So says Cupid!"

That is a nice 1917 but I gots my own now.

I partner with my old butcher shop mate cuz we know the cost of stainless staples.
I had the pleasure of shooting with Brian today, and a better partner you couldn't find. Way better than Ford that's for sure.

Great day guys, thanks for letting me join in, Tom
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Good job Tom on the shootoff. Arnie's fist shot was about 3 minutes high as his dope was from a hot barrel.

I will have to wait till I get the score sheet from Tom and I will post the scores here on Calguns for everyone to see sans the names. I do believe the Mauser won just about each class. Agree?

So what is the next grudge match going to be? The Mosin fell first in a big way to the Mauser and now the Swiss is the latest victim of the Mauser. So who will be the next victim of the Mauser?

These are the top three rifles in the As Issued Class. Outstanding performance from these top three rifles. Far left is the Match Winner (Vern) with 34, middle Fist in AAA class with 32 and far right second in the AAA class (Paul) with 31. Do you see something in common with these top three scoring rifles? Notice the guys in the background analyzing the trio?


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What's the deal with the rubber bands? Is it to keep the barrel bands from getting pushed forward and gouging e wood when shooting off a bag?
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I am personally willing to shoot with one of my 91/30s or 91/59 OR my K-98.

I just need range appropriate ammo. That steel core light ball won't do and I've run out of 8mm surplus. I also still need to get my Dillon machine set up. I haven't even built its bench yet.

IMO, the K98s and the 91/30s are of similar accuracy in general. I think if we shot a match with those two on opposing sides, it would come down to the shooters.

Aside from getting my ammo situation squared away, I wouldn't know if I'd want to shoot my Mauser or Mosin. I still haven't shot my latest 91/30, but it has an impeccable bore with rifling all the way to the crown. This is a good sign IMO.
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had a great time at the match today shooting my 91/30.
thanks to my shooting partner charles for showing me the ropes and spotting for me.
and just for the record it definitely isn't a 90.00 one.

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Dave, is your 91/30 the one in the target stock?
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Not Dave but yes that is the rifle with that rail gun looking stock. It was classified wrong and should have been in the "sporter class" and not in the "open" class with the scoped military rifles.

Steve you did a great job with the Ayatollah today. Vern was hot too like he always is.
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Had a great day at the match yesterday! Accidently met some other CGers there as well.

What was really cool is that us Swiss shooters were a TEAM. We even dressed the part with these nice white Swiss T-Shirts that a CalGunner had on hand...Thanks! Just that alone meant we were serious for are competitors. But, we still won with team spirit.

Bummer for those that could not make it out to the match. For sure I plan on being there next month. I met a lot of real good shooters out there and really enjoyed myself though I didn't score so high. Now its time to reload for next month.
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Hi all
yes my gun was the one with the walnut stock. i'm pretty sure railgun isn't the way I would describe it. they are usually made out of tube and mostly metal,at least the ones I am familiar with. I tried to make it fit me while shooting prone, it actually isn't all that comfortable shooting it off a bench, buts that not what I made it for.
I actually made that stock from a walnut plank I had left over from another project.
the red cheek pieces were cut from a hardwood called "purple heart", I thought that was appropriate for a military rifle (even if I'm the only one that gets it). I was pretty happy with the way it turned out for my first attempt at making a stock.
I'm not sure about the wrong class. can anybody tell me where the rules are?
the only thing I found was some references on the ncpprc site pathfinder posted and on the fsc site. where there was reference to open class being modified scoped but no synthetic stocks. so that's what I went by.
i'm not trying to stir up anything just want to know what the rules are for next time
my rifle has a handmade stock, timney trigger, and hand made scope mount.
the only permanent mods are the holes in the top of the receiver for the scope mount. the action and barrel are 1933 Tula with a counter bored muzzle.
the first shots out of the stock rifle didn't even hit paper at a hundred yards so I figured it wasn't going to remain stock.
I plan to come out and shoot some more .
Dave.

I looked up rail gun definition just to sure I didn't misrepresent my stock.
Wikipedia defines it as a benchrest rifle mounted to an adjustable rest made to return to battery. (paraphrased)
mine definitely doesn't return to battery and is not mounted to a rest. I shot it off a cheap sand bag with wood shims underneath.(actually some of it was scrap leftover from the stock).
although the whole return to battery thing might have helped my shoulder on a few shots.
this was my first time shooting silhouettes and had a great time.
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Dave, No matter the class, your Mosin was still stellar. Glad you had a good time yesterday, Charlie was a good choice for a spotter on your first match.

Juanito, don't claim victory just yet, wait for the scores and work out the average like we talked about, I think its going to be closer than you think. My S-R 1911 shot well yesterday, 27 in as issued with those sights is pretty darn good. The ZFK was doing well also, I just struggled with the mirage through that 3.5 power Kern at 500 meters.

Jarhead, glad you liked the shirt and welcome to the crew. Its always great to get new folks up our way, hope the hospitality was ok. The October match is something you won't want to miss, great time with all the military vets and some of the best ribs and chili you'll ever have.....(yep, I'm bragging). See you next month
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so where is info on the October meet.
I have several vet. friends who might enjoy a day at the range.
unfortunately my usmc son in law wont be avail then, so i'll have to go with a friend instead.
unless my daughter can stand(prone)in for her husband while he is busy?
that would be fun if we can talk her into it.

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Dave, if you change the stock to "non military" or "sporterized" it in anyway like what Dan had which was an 03-A3 receiver and everything else is aftermarket. I'm not the match director so confirm with Tom on this but I'm pretty sure what I said is correct. If you had an original configured rifle with just a scope then you were int he right class which is open scope.

You did a good job on that stock I like it. Don't look as ugly as the toothpick looking stock on a standard military Mosin.

Bob/Swiss Team Captian, you cant be changing the rule after the fact. Just like the Mosin vs Mauser, we will determine the winning team by the match winner and the winner of each class if both team is represented. Like at every match, the Mauser shooters were outnumbered by the Swiss shooter. Remember it's quality and not quantity that counts. Lots of Swiss on the line especially scoped ones like your high dollar rifle. Gery's scoped K31 is gorgeous. I feel like taking my K31 out and I would if I ever lean how to shoot the thing.

Once Tom send out the score I will sanitize the names to protect the innocent and the guilty and post it on a new thread for all to digest. Start getting ready for next month.

Bob Modesto's match is in a couple of weeks. I might join you with a Garand and harass those Garand shooters there. That is all I'm good for harassment of fellow shooters as I could not shoot worth a damn. Speaking of good shooting what about Vern with a 34? He is old enough to be my father and I look up to him as a father figure. Damn he and Paul can sure shoot. Us mortal shooters can just continue to practice I guess.
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Dave, that is a fascinating stock. I was impressed with it when I saw it and wondered where you got it. I'm more impressed with it now that I know you made it yourself, although I'm also disappointed I can't buy one.

Pro-nra was mentioning the classes for various rifles in the match.

The "as issued" class is pretty much what it says...as the rifle was issued for standard military duty (although some think that the Swedish Mauser shooters push the envelope a little hard with their various adjustable rear sights.)

The "open" class is for "as issued" rifles that have had a a scope added and also for period-original military sniper rifles (Swiss ZFK 55's, Swedish M41-b's, 1903A4's, etc). Generally they are expected to be in military stocks with military profile barrels and other than the scope, to be "as issued".

"Vintage sporter" is the class for military rifles that have been sporterized. These are rifles that have a vintage era military action and usually a sported stock. The stock must be wood and the barrel and caliber may or may not be original military. Many of the "vintage sporter" rifles have "heavier than military profile" barrels and target stocks. Also included in this class are actual vintage sporting rifles, like the Remington model 30.

The "target sight" class are for rifles that have match sights, like the Swedish FSR rifles, Swiss K31's and other military rifles with Lyman, Redfield or some other match sights.

This is my explanation of the classes and is not binding...if you have a question, Tom Lyons is the match director and can give you official information as to which class your rifle would fit in.

Here is the "clubs" page from the Sac Valley Shooting Center website that has Tom's email address.

http://www.sacvalley.org/clubs.html

Hope to see you out there next month
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I was apparently on the phone with Tom when you posted this.
he confirms that I was in fact in the wrong class. I apologize for the error.
at the sign in I said it was scoped but did not know there was a sporter class.
had I known that that was where I should have been I would have shot in that class.
I will gladly return the 2nd place $ to the club at the next match if someone will remind me.
those mosin stocks are about the most hideous thing I've ever seen by the way.
so I wont be putting it back on.
I will have to eventually find a good mauser or swiss to shoot in the as is class,or maybe one with a scope on it.
sorry for the mix up
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