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Old 07-06-2013, 10:41 PM
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55/56 with no markings on the receiver cover (no dates, no manuf) and all stamped matching. I'm still trying to figure it out, since the K is supposed to be a '58 according to the survivor boards. In any case, it's a matching Russian that IO marked as Chinese on the import stamp. May have been in China (or VN if you want to believe that), but it seems to have certainly been made in Russia.

You guys are going to be happy when you get yours! The reports of this batch are really, really good.

I'll put pics of the other one up tomorrow. No characters, no factory. Only SN with a couple acceptance marks.
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:12 PM
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Sounds like this is an interesting batch, whats the import stamp look like?
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Old 07-06-2013, 11:17 PM
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looks like it. Certainly not a Sino-Soviet. Nice catch
That is one heck of a catch. I have a 55-56 Tula Letter Gun that has the same prefix.

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Sorry, man. But that's not......really......the same prefix.......
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Sounds like this is an interesting batch, whats the import stamp look like?
Import stamp is small dot matrix on the barrel.
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Russian:



Check out the sling keeper hack job. Pretty trick.



Import mark:

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Chinese?



Heel repair:



Crack 1 of 2:



No factory mark, not scrubbed:



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I guess the question is, as I said, whether or not to return this one. It's pretty interesting with no markings, but that crack is gigantic!
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Old 07-07-2013, 8:53 AM
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Ok guys these don't look too bad and I think I'll for the hand picked

Who in the Riverside area will do the transfer???
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If you don't have an FFL03 I don't think these are worth the hassle and cost of FFL01 transfers.

Just watch the FS boards and some will come up for sale very soon I'm sure. Prior to next year you can still do FTF on these.
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Ok guys these don't look too bad and I think I'll for the hand picked

Who in the Riverside area will do the transfer???
You asking about an FFL03 or 01? Turner's off McKinley prob would do it
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If you don't have an FFL03 I don't think these are worth the hassle and cost of FFL01 transfers.

Just watch the FS boards and some will come up for sale very soon I'm sure. Prior to next year you can still do FTF on these.
Agreed!! Going thru an 01FFL will add at least $85 to the price. Just keep an eye out Marketplace. I'm sure many 03's bought several to add to their collection and will sell off any extras. FTF is the best way to go if you don't have an 03FFL.
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Check out the sling keeper hack job. Pretty trick.



Import mark:

It's weird that the cutout was already there for the proper side swivel. Just either never drilled the holes or were filled in. Must not have had any proper side mount swivels left and just decided to use a bottom swivel? Maybe done in the field, after import, certainly not as an arsenal refurb.??
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You asking about an FFL03 or 01? Turner's off McKinley prob would do it
Last I talked to them they do not do out of state transfers...
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Oh. Well, I know Annie's in Corona does coz they took an order from Classic from me
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I got an honor guard! But someone stripped off all the chrome. Tell me how awesome I did.
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It's weird that the cutout was already there for the proper side swivel. Just either never drilled the holes or were filled in. Must not have had any proper side mount swivels left and just decided to use a bottom swivel? Maybe done in the field, after import, certainly not as an arsenal refurb.??
According to the stories, these are not arsenal refurbs. They are from Albaninam. Some people carved crosses and names into the stocks while they were bored out of their gourd. The Vietnamese gentleman that was born in Albania that carried my Russian rifle that was imported, then exported from China, was actually a wood worker before being enlisted. The screw from the top of the original sling keeper was digging into his clavicle. He decided that rather than claim a worker's comp deal, or contact OSHA telling them that the ergos on his rifle were not ideal, he fixed it.
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Oh. Well, I know Annie's in Corona does coz they took an order from Classic from me
Thanks I give Annies a call Monday. Figuring the out of state transfer s are all the same.
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According to the stories, these are not arsenal refurbs. They are from Albaninam. Some people carved crosses and names into the stocks while they were bored out of their gourd. The Vietnamese gentleman that was born in Albania that carried my Russian rifle that was imported, then exported from China, was actually a wood worker before being enlisted. The screw from the top of the original sling keeper was digging into his clavicle. He decided that rather than claim a worker's comp deal, or contact OSHA telling them that the ergos on his rifle were not ideal, he fixed it.
I love it!

True to the current rage here in Cali.. the SKS is "fusion" armory.
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Old 07-07-2013, 6:08 PM
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I just put one up for sale if any one wants something from Uncle Mao :P

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Okay I'm home now. The answer is Vietnam...

After the war sometime they were shipped to Albania, where some were used. After a period of years Century was able to import them, but not sell them until now. Thats why some of the rifles bear the old style small Century import marks.



Century was not "kind" to the rifles, as they were very cruddy and covered in grease. There rifles were stacked on pallets. Century used a chemical grease stripper, and thats why the stocks have the whitish coating. It's partially removed grease which, combined with the degreaser left the whitish coating.
SVT-40 - I just found this post and think that you might be confusing last year's batch of Chinese type 56 rifles with a recent batch brought in by IO and being sold by Classic. What you are describing are the Century rifles.

I'd also respectfully suggest that the Century rifles did not get shipped from Vietnam. They were shipped directly from China during a short-lived attempt at Communist co-operation between mainland China and Albania's Enver Hoxha.
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Old 07-07-2013, 6:52 PM
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If you have anything super rad from Uncle Stalin, I may be interested! Since you are switching platforms and all.
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If you have anything super rad from Uncle Stalin, I may be interested! Since you are switching platforms and all.
hehe O No saving that one...that rifle is in a free state already But if your lucky maybe I can help find you one
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I guess the question is, as I said, whether or not to return this one. It's pretty interesting with no markings, but that crack is gigantic!
Before you send it back, pull the butt plate off and see if there are two holes drilled underneath it. Yours looks like it may have an Albanian stock that was cut down a bit to make it fit. It would be good to get some data points on this batch.
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Old 07-07-2013, 9:16 PM
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Before you send it back, pull the butt plate off and see if there are two holes drilled underneath it. Yours looks like it may have an Albanian stock that was cut down a bit to make it fit. It would be good to get some data points on this batch.

Only one set of screw holes:


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Interesting, the paper says dedicated to Mao Zedong, then Type 56 with the serial number(?) underneath.
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Old 07-07-2013, 9:56 PM
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Now that's real interesting, dont believe ive seen a serialized tag under the plate before. Very curious as to what it says

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Not so much the screw holes, an albanian stock would have two cleaning kit holes. One for the kit and one for an oiler. And of course the plate has two trap doors

Ive gotten several of the earlier batch sino-banians that have the crudely whittled retrofit stock. Always its been a beech stock, single kit hole.
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Old 07-07-2013, 10:06 PM
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Uhhhhh.......I was pulling off the rear plate to check this and found something......something straight for Bobby. I'm sure he'll love it.

I pulled off the buttplate, and Found something reminiscent of a troop tag underneath? Is this your certificate of inauthenticity? Unauthenticity?





Anyone able to translate what that says? Bobby, you're a man of knowledge. Tell me how awesome I did! I know it has my SN on it.



My Chinese is a little rusty, but the loose translation basically says "This rifle is a busted up mess, handpicked from a Vietnamese dumpster by a Russian scavenger riding a Chinese moped. You should return it for a refund immediately..."

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Not so much the screw holes, an albanian stock would have two cleaning kit holes. One for the kit and one for an oiler. And of course the plate has two trap doors

Ive gotten several of the earlier batch sino-banians that have the crudely whittled retrofit stock. Always its been a beech stock, single kit hole.
This makes sense. I was kind of wondering why the wood on the splice and the main stock look like the same chunk of wood. Almost like the wood wasn't wide enough, so they added girth, like some of the Mosins.

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Old 07-08-2013, 5:31 PM
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Ok so I received the first of my 2 Classics today. Sort of a mixed bag..... The stock is in very good overall shape and has matching ## to receiver. Unfortunately it has a hairline crack that I am in the process of repairing.

Overall bluing is about 50%. This rifle has been there and done that. I believe it is a Sino-Soviet because it has a 2 letter prefix followed by the numbers. No Chinese factory stamping. The bolt is electropenciled with the matching serial number. The dust cover is a mismatch. The magazine cover is lined out and force matched.

I will post some pictures of this rifle shortly. I haven't decided yet whether I like it or not. I think the bore is good but I have put 40-50 swabs rough it wilth solvent and it is still cosmo'd up. This rifle had more cosmoline than I have ever seen in a rifle.

More to follow.....
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Mine is about the same. I have the NH prefix with 4 digit serial, does that make it a sino-soviet? The wood was in decent shape with bluing around 50%. It took me hours to get all the cosmo off I still need to run a bore brush down the barrel.
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Was this a hand pick Bobby? Pictures when you can please. From the sound of it along with others, I'm glad I put my money into one of their k31s.
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Here is a pic of my handpick. Speaking of which what is the best way to oil the stock after cleaning? Mine is really dry after getting the cosmo off.
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Old 07-08-2013, 6:29 PM
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Here are pics of mine as posted in #151 This was a handpick.


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The stock is in very good overall shape and has matching ## to receiver. Unfortunately it has a hairline crack that I am in the process of repairing.
Where's the stock cracked? Receiver looks to be Russian, not Sino-Soviet, the Sino-Soviets had a single letter followed by 4 numbers. Is it suffering from droopy bayo syndrome?

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Is the bayonet not folding in tight or is it a stock made for the spike? Do they both have cracked stocks?

If they are both true sino-soviets then I think you did well and the same for others who ordered these.

That Cosmo looks pretty dry and chewy. I'd take the stock off and soak the metal for a bit in mineral spirits before going at it with any brushes.
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I agree with Lurch. People are trying to make assumptions that this is the same as the last batch was, not looking at these as separate imports. What we have so far is:

Russian SNs, no Chinese factory marks, no Chinese characters. This tracks to about 5 different purchases.

None of this points to Sino-anything. Everyone is thinking they are still getting Sino-soviet because that was what was in the last batch. The last batch had dry looking chalky wood that was dry as all heck, with single letter followed by numbers, followed by triangle 26. These rifles are not the same. They aren't even the same importers.

Russian rifles through the last century are done with the line-outs as well. I don't see that in the Chinese guns. They didn't care about numbers, they just pieced things together. Look at the T53s. Typical is to have a mixmaster bunch of parts. Russians were always lined out to make right, or EPd.

This one appears to be a batch of Russians that probably went somewhere for export or aid, and got mismarked upon import as Chinese. Now.......How do I get more! haha

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BTW, it's super rad that your Sino-Soviet has the same prefix as my Russian letter gun.
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I wish I had money! I want an SKS so damn bad!
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If these are Russian then that's a score but they seem to be marked differently than most and lacking the markings on the topcover...what is under the wood? Anything that can tell a tale?

How do these differ from known sino-soviet examples? Wouldn't those be of mixed parentage?

Or are they some mix masters that have been around the block one too many times?

Seems like a good number of people ordered these so there should be plenty to compare over the next couple of days as they get delivered.

All I know is that I love it when a new batch of C&R come in and the debate kicks off!
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