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Old 06-20-2013, 3:14 PM
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Default Nice score of guns. But not sure what they all are?

I am more into handguns and just started collecting rifles. I scored this great group of guns for what I think is a fair price. Can someone shed some light on them as to anything special or are these just run of the mill? They appear to be in excellent shape!

The semi auto carbine is not part of what I got.

As far as I know these are...

303 Endfield
303 Endfield jungle
mauser
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Ljungman
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Old 06-20-2013, 3:29 PM
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Nice score! Nothing super duper rare that can be told from these pics, but all look to be in nice condition. You have a pretty good grasp already on what you have; No1 MKIII, No5 Jungle, Swedish M38, FN49, and a Ljungman. The FN49 depending on caliber and country of origin may be worth the most, with the Ljungman a close second. The Ljungman is probably the hardest to come by. If you paid less than $2,500 for the lot, I'd say you got a fair deal.
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I am more into handguns and just started collecting rifles. I scored this great group of guns for what I think is a fair price. Can someone shed some light on them as to anything special or are these just run of the mill? They appear to be in excellent shape!

The semi auto carbine is not part of what I got.

As far as I know these are...

303 Endfield
303 Endfield jungle
mauser
FN
Ljungman
No1 MKIII Enfield....303 caliber
No5 "Jungle carbine Enfield .303 caliber
M38 Swedish Mauser, possibly a Husqvarna... 6.5x55 caliber
M1 carbine, unknown make....30 carbine caliber
FN49, possibly Egyptian...if so, 8x57 caliber
AG42B Swedish Ljungman 6.5 x 55 caliber.

They look like great guns, but need better pics to tell you any more.
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Yes, that is a nice score!

You looking to sell any?

Someone will be along shortly to tell you more. I however am just interested in that first Enfield. Let me know!
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Beautiful. Love the enfield. I used to train with those.
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They all look real nice! Get us some pics of the receivers and we can tell you more.
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Great way to start a collection of rifles. Each of them would be a good choice to take shooting.
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Dude that fn49 is sick. Hope it's in 8
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Sorry, that's not a real Enfield #5. The action and sights are wrong.
Nice FN-49. They are great shooters.
Ha, I hope it's in 30-06! (The most rare caliber.)
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Lee-Enfield No. 1 Mk. III SMLE Rifle in .303 British.

Fake Jungle Carbine, chopped down from a No. 1 Mk. III, probably .303 British.

M38 Swedish Mauser Short Rifle in 6.5x55 Swedish.

M1 Carbine in 30 Carbine. Looks like a post-war reroduction.

Fabrique National Model 1949 (FN 49), could be any of a variety of calibers.

Swedish AG 42B Ljungman in 6.5x55 Swedish.


Very nice score. The Swedish M38 looks like it still has the adapter for firing wooden rounds.
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Old 06-20-2013, 4:58 PM
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Wow! That was fast. A ton of info! I really appreciate it guys.

I don't have the guns yet in my hands, he is delivering them in the next few weeks. Its a friend of mine and he knew I loved guns so he offered them to me. The price was under 2k and I thought that was fair for such clean looking guns, but trying to research them brought back a lot of information that was confusing. That's why I thought I would just ask the experts!

I have no intentions on selling any. We just want them for our collection. I am really just interested on what I have as I don't want to go out shooting something that may be special in some way.

I don't have close up pictures other then these ones and I don't know if they really tell anything. I will have much better pics though when I get them so we can nail down exactly what is going on with these!

thanks for all the comments so far!
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Old 06-20-2013, 5:09 PM
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Yeah, the FN looks to be a Egyptian in 8mm.
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The disc on the buttstock certainly suggests the FN-49 is Egyptian.
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And where did you score these? I am jelly!!!

Nice find!
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Old 06-20-2013, 7:24 PM
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my friend purchased these 20 years ago and never shot them. been sitting in a safe.
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Lucky you! Congrats!
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pretty choice grab there man. while the jungle carbine is a faker, as was said, it'll probably shoot ok and will surely be fun. I call the flash-hider a LOUDENER! anyhow, the fn49 and ljungmann are VERY nice pieces as well as the mauser, which sure looks like an m38, awesome. i'd say you did well for the money although I know that's not what you're about, i'm the same way. all very good examples of very nice rifles. if you don't intend to shoot and enjoy them, sell them to those of us who will. if you want a look at collection, get stamps or some other nerd crap that's not fun to use. sorry about the rant, I love shooting old rifles. great post and nice guns!
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Finally get these this weekend. Cant wait!
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I keep seeing these threads and wonder 'how in the hell?' How do people get this lucky? Still waiting for that mystery friend to show up saying, "Hey man, my grandma has a buttload of guns in the attic...you want them?" All I have right now is Calguns lol...
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Old 07-16-2013, 6:39 AM
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I have never had a gun score before. All I can say is network. I met this guy because I have a couple cobra kit cars I have been building and he is part of that community. I am not shy about telling everyone how nuts I am over guns
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Old 07-21-2013, 10:18 AM
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finally got these in my hands. I love them all, not totally sure what I have here, but they all look great and I am very pleased. Time to get another gun safe I tried to take some detailed shots, so if you guys have any comments, please post. Interested in basically any info you can provide.

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second gun... scratched out number? I know a lot said it was fake.. but it does say jungle on the side although the quality of the print looks modern to me. Also I see the rear sight is probably in the wrong location? Wood looks to be in too good of a condition too. **update*** during some research. looks like a Federal ordnance parts gun?










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Old 07-21-2013, 10:26 AM
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3rd gun.... Very cool gun. The way the slide works is very unique. The sight adjustment is really cool too. Kinda like a scope.








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4th gun... Plate on the stock has no info like the other ones do?










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5th gun...





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Old 07-21-2013, 10:33 AM
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a random? Bayonet? Don't know about these. Bunch of ammo. I know what the 303 goes too and I assume what is in that belt and bag is 303. But I am not 100% sure on the rest of the ammo.







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Old 07-21-2013, 12:05 PM
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The bayonet is Swedish so it can fit on the M38 or the Ljungman.

The 6.5 Swedish ammo goes to the M38 and Ljungman.

The Egyptian FN-49 shoots the 8mm.
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Very nice. It pays to let folks know your into guns. Same way I have gotten some "old guns" that friends don't want.
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Wow, what a score! Better than it appeared at first, even. Love that Enfield...you will, too. The "Jungle Carbine" looks like a reproduction, but will probably be fun to shoot, especially after dark.

The Ljungman and Fn-49 are going to turn a few heads, I expect. The Swede should be able to castrate a gnat at 100 yards if the bore is good.

I would treat all the bagged ammo and surplus as corrosive, so read up on the little bit of extra cleaning with water you'll be doing after shooting it.

And keep me in mind if you decide that Enfield isn't your cup o' tea.
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yessir, a few different companies did "jungle" carbines out of 1mk3's and I've seen 4mk1's cut down before too. nothing wrong with it aside from not being a genuine. the untrained eye wouldn't note the difference and as said, they are a blast to shoot. the ljungmann may be picky about ammo. there's lots of good info on gunboards and surplus rifle forum about these things. good luck and enjoy those rifles. you made out well.
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Gotta say I'm jealous! Nice guns!
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The shorty Enfield is built on a No. I Mk. III, so no question about it not being the real deal. There were outfits that produced these replicas, because the real deal were so pricey. In any case, you can still probably get a couple of hundred for it.

The real No. I Mk. III is a 1941 Australian Lithgow. Bolt has the early flat striker, so is from a much earlier rifle.

The M1 Carbine has a ventilated steel handguard, which was used on post-War commercial carbines. However, much of the metal looks parkerized, so there could be some GI parts there. What markings are on the receiver (beneath the rear sight) and barrel (way out by the front sight)? Any markings on the stock?

The SAFN 1949 is Egyptian. The good news is that it appears to be an original rifle, not one of the Century Arms parts built rifles.

The two Swedes are really nice. The M1938 should be a tack driver. Be real careful with your thumbs and fingers while fooling around with that interesting Lungmann bolt release. It will bite, hard.

Congrats on a nice haul!
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OP, be sure to remove the adapter off of the M38. That is for firing wooden rounds, so advise to remove it. It should just screw off. Pun not intended.
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thanks for the comments guys!

Emdawg. What do you mean by adapter?
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Excuse me. The adapter you have on the rifle is a muzzle brake.

They are usuall after-market items.


You see many M96 rifles and M38 short rifles have a threaded barrel that was meant to take an adapter for firing blanks. The one on yours is a muzzle break.

It should be fine to fire. Got myself confused there.
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