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Old 06-08-2013, 8:29 PM
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I'm looking for any info on the arak-21 uppers made by faxon firearms, i like the ability to change caliber and barrel length. do any of you have one ? tell me what you like /don't like
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Old 06-08-2013, 8:36 PM
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I would shy away from Piston uppers. But thats just me.
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I have reservations about new companies and proprietary technology.

Here is an earlier thread:

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So who wants to lend me 1200 bucks? Cause that would be a sexy build.
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I would shy away from Piston uppers. But thats just me.
why is that?
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[QUOTE=Arkangel;11542220]I have reservations about new companies and proprietary technology.

i do also but this design fascinates me its the best of both designs
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why is that?
Unless you are getting an HK416 or LMT piston upper then you are gonna be dealing with a lot of problems for almost no benefit. ARs are built to be DI guns, and with the price you are paying for a piston upper you are getting close to a SCAR price level anyways.
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I would shy away from Piston uppers. But thats just me.
In case you have trouble understanding what he wrote... he's asking if anyone has it, not if YOU would buy one.
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Unless you are getting an HK416 or LMT piston upper then you are gonna be dealing with a lot of problems for almost no benefit. ARs are built to be DI guns, and with the price you are paying for a piston upper you are getting close to a SCAR price level anyways.
You read too much internets.
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You read too much internets.
Maybe, maybe not. It really depends on the staying power of the company. If something breaks in 2 or 10 years will there be support for the product. Parts are hard to come by with extinct companies unless your a machinist. Not saying that's what may happen but you never know.
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My 2 LWRC piston uppers have had zero problems, and I think this company's not going anywhere.

Oh, and after an afternoon at the range? About 5 minutes to clean. Yay for piston system!
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I'm looking for any info on the arak-21 uppers made by faxon firearms, i like the ability to change caliber and barrel length. do any of you have one ? tell me what you like /don't like
You need to use the search function. A forum member has one and posted about it. You also need to go to ar15.com as there are more actual owners there.
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I am a new (this morning) and very proud owner of a Faxon ARAK 21 chambered in 5.56mm with a 12.5" barrel. (yes i have a tax stamp for this lower, and no it is not in CA)

let me make some corrections to this thread, first off Faxon machining is not a new company, they have been in business for over 30 years making precision parts for the automotive and aerospace industry. the owner is a "gun guy" who set out to perfect the AR15, (and in my humble opinion i think he has done it) I have personally met the man and i talk to him on the phone occasionally, you will not find a more honest and sincere person on the planet. because the firearms side of the business is a "side venture" for this company, even if he decides to discontinue the uppers, im sure you can call them up and they would gladly make spare parts for you, seriously, these are very nice people, cant stress that enough.

with regards to the quality, this is a long stroke gas system, not a short stroke system which relies on the buffer tube, which causes infamous "Carrier tilt", in fact the faxon does not use the buffer tube at all so you can outfit it with a folding stock (like i have), anyways here are some pictures for you to drool over, and i will provide a range report in a separate thread with more pics and a video.



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How's the cheek weld with your stock? From the pictures it looks like you'll need a cheek riser to get a proper cheek weld. All my rifles are piston operated. SKS, Mini 30, XCR and AK. I would like to add another long stroke GP gun to my collection.


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I am a new (this morning) and very proud owner of a Faxon ARAK 21 chambered in 5.56mm with a 12.5" barrel. (yes i have a tax stamp for this lower, and no it is not in CA)

let me make some corrections to this thread, first off Faxon machining is not a new company, they have been in business for over 30 years making precision parts for the automotive and aerospace industry. the owner is a "gun guy" who set out to perfect the AR15, (and in my humble opinion i think he has done it) I have personally met the man and i talk to him on the phone occasionally, you will not find a more honest and sincere person on the planet. because the firearms side of the business is a "side venture" for this company, even if he decides to discontinue the uppers, im sure you can call them up and they would gladly make spare parts for you, seriously, these are very nice people, cant stress that enough.

with regards to the quality, this is a long stroke gas system, not a short stroke system which relies on the buffer tube, which causes infamous "Carrier tilt", in fact the faxon does not use the buffer tube at all so you can outfit it with a folding stock (like i have), anyways here are some pictures for you to drool over, and i will provide a range report in a separate thread with more pics and a video.
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south coast targets thanks for the info i look forward to your range report
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Looks like a very cool upper, but the fact that it takes a screwdriver to strip is a major turn-off.
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Looks like a very cool upper, but the fact that it takes a screwdriver to strip is a major turn-off.
No tools are needed to strip, you do need an allen wrench to remove the guard that allows you to swap the barrels
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How's the cheek weld with your stock? From the pictures it looks like you'll need a cheek riser to get a proper cheek weld. All my rifles are piston operated. SKS, Mini 30, XCR and AK. I would like to add another long stroke GP gun to my collection.
i dont know if its the fact that i have a "big face" or what but i can use a proper cheek weld as is and its more comfortable than a regular AR where i feel i have to get unnaturally close to the stock to use the sights. most people would need a riser though
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I got a big face as well so I think I'll be OK.

I'm waiting for them to release one in 7.62x39.

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i dont know if its the fact that i have a "big face" or what but i can use a proper cheek weld as is and its more comfortable than a regular AR where i feel i have to get unnaturally close to the stock to use the sights. most people would need a riser though
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I got a big face as well so I think I'll be OK.

I'm waiting for them to release one in 7.62x39.
i know they are working on other calibers but i don't know if they will do 7.62x39; And honestly since they already make .300 blk (which is an improved 7.62x39) I don't see why they would. what would be really cool is if they do a 6.8 / .338 spectre combo since .338 spectre is on a cut down 6.8 case.
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i know they are working on other calibers but i don't know if they will do 7.62x39; And honestly since they already make .300 blk (which is an improved 7.62x39) I don't see why they would. what would be really cool is if they do a 6.8 / .338 spectre combo since .338 spectre is on a cut down 6.8 case.
I think it would be a bit silly if they do not make an ARAK upper in 7.62x39. The .300 blk is still pretty expensive. Also if you are in a free state you can get a RRA-47 lower that takes AK mags to make something pretty awesome.
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No tools are needed to strip, you do need an allen wrench to remove the guard that allows you to swap the barrels

Ah. Well then. I'm turned on again.

I like how the bolt carrier rides on steel rails.
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Ah. Well then. I'm turned on again.

I like how the bolt carrier rides on steel rails.
those steel rails make it so smooth to charge, not like an ak where its like crunch-crunch-crunch
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I too am a proud new owner of the ARAK-21. I opted for the left hand version. The machine work and construction is amazing. The parts fit together perfectly. Cant wait to get out and shoot it!




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That looks really nice! I think I'll hold off on my 7.62x39 AR build until ARAK releases one in that caliber.
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Gah! I always flip flop on if I want to get one of these. If get one purely because they look cool.
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is there more muzzle climb with those uppers? just wonderin
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I loaded 3 rounds just to test fire my arak. First round I knew I was not shooting an AR anymore. The second shot gave the gun its own definition. The third shot, I said to myself 'This is real', lol. I couldn't wait to hand it over to my two friends shooting their ARs. All I said was, 'Dude, you have to try this'. If you've been shooting an AR for some time. The first shot will shock you. It's that different.
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They should do one in .308 as well. I may get one eventually i have too many projects as it is and a sig 556 to tide me over until i get to it. Definitely wanna try one out eventually.
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