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Old 06-08-2013, 3:00 PM
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So I decided to play around with my AR15 and 1911. Just to clean and inspect. I haven't been out shooting in a few months, due to the whole ammo situation. Well I clean my guns after every range trip. a few weeks ago, i cleaned and inspected my guns, just to get it ready for another range trip next month. When I went for my guns, they all had surface rust and flash rust... I don't know what caused it, so what can I do to clean it all up? Is there a place I can go to get it re-coated in orange county ca? I threw some frog lube on it, hoping to whipe it all away...

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Old 06-08-2013, 3:07 PM
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Wow....... That's really bad do you store your guns outside in the rain?
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Have you always used frog lube?
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Old 06-08-2013, 3:11 PM
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^ lol no, It's in my Rifle bag. Like I said, I take care of my guns, But have not clue when they rusted like that. So I want to re-coat it, just in case. Yes, I love frog lube, it works very well. The last time I cleaned my gun, I didn't wipe the exterior of the gun down with it. Thats probably why it rusted this time around.
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Wiped dry and remove any excess oil and stored in an open storage? That looks like you left them wet and in a foam case.
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Applying Froglube to that isn't going to do anything.

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Old 06-08-2013, 3:24 PM
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I know it won't take off the rust, just looking for some advice on how to get rid of the rust.
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Fine wool. Oil.
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Old 06-08-2013, 3:28 PM
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Don't keep your guns in a bag meant to get them from your safe to the range, pretty simple really.
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You'd be surprised how well Coke Cola will work on that.
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^ lol no, It's in my Rifle bag. Like I said, I take care of my guns, But have not clue when they rusted like that. So I want to re-coat it, just in case. Yes, I love frog lube, it works very well. The last time I cleaned my gun, I didn't wipe the exterior of the gun down with it. Thats probably why it rusted this time around.
Let me guess. Foam padded rifle bag? This would be why you shouldn't use those for long term storage. Get some proper clp and scrub that off. Then re-oil them and store them in a better location.
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Damn, that looks like you tossed them in bay for a week. Get a safe. Get a dehumidifying rod.

Bead blast/media blast and re-blue/parkerize/cerakote the parts again is about it. It was an expensive lesson.
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You never store steel items in foam or cloth containers. It will hold moisture and cause the rust you see. You neec to store them in a safe with a golden rod in it, or a bag of decassent. I would also leave them a coat of CLP on them. Not dripping wet, but wiped down with a patch with CLP on them.
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^ lol no, It's in my Rifle bag. Like I said, I take care of my guns, But have not clue when they rusted like that. So I want to re-coat it, just in case. Yes, I love frog lube, it works very well. The last time I cleaned my gun, I didn't wipe the exterior of the gun down with it. Thats probably why it rusted this time around.
those bags will attract moisture and speed up the rust process..
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did you have a boating accident? seriously though if you keep them in cases get some of those moisture absorbing bags in there as well.
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A secure safe (such as a Sentry Fire Safe locked box) is sure to cause rust. Any bag is not as bad. But not good. Indoors out in the open is better than either. In a closed area (e.g. a locked box = a safe) that has ventilation and a decassent box is a sure fire prevention of rust, absent harmful chemicals (such as those in black powder or worse Pyrodex).

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http://www.amazon.com/Hydrosorbent-S...rds=silica+gel
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I wasn't quite ready to see that photo of yours. I'm sorry that happened to you.
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^ lol no, It's in my Rifle bag. Like I said, I take care of my guns, But have not clue when they rusted like that. So I want to re-coat it, just in case. Yes, I love frog lube, it works very well. The last time I cleaned my gun, I didn't wipe the exterior of the gun down with it. Thats probably why it rusted this time around.
Yo Bro, that frog lube obviously must not work if a failure to reapply it let rust occur.
Gun oil is the best, as I have used out for years on guns that can sometimes be stored for years.....with no rusting. IMO
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i bought those single handgun cases from big 5. One type is Brown suede outside with wool (I think) and the other type nylon with a thin foam liner on the inside.

Is thus safe to store hand guns in?

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i bought those single handgun cases from big 5. One type is Brown suede outside with wool (I think) and the other type nylon with a thin foam liner on the inside.

Is thus safe to store hand guns in?

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This thread has a half dozen posts explaining that using fabric or foam storage is bad for long term since it holds moisture. Why would a handgun case be any different?

The answer would be no, you should not store your handguns in fabric or foam long term.
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i bought those single handgun cases from big 5. One type is Brown suede outside with wool (I think) and the other type nylon with a thin foam liner on the inside.

Is thus safe to store hand guns in?

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This thread has a half dozen posts explaining that using fabric or foam storage is bad for long term since it holds moisture. Why would a handgun case be any different?

The answer would be no, you should not store your handguns in fabric or foam long term.
Thanks...but then what and how do you store your handguns?
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Do you leave it open (no container or case) in the gun safe?
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Do you leave it open (no container or case) in the gun safe?
Yes.
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Do you leave it open (no container or case) in the gun safe?
On a gun rack inside a safe with a dehumidifier.

This:



Inside of this:



With on of these inside the safe:

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i've long termed guns in bags before and even foam, never an issue as long as they are properly coated in oil.

That is serious rust. Where do you live, a jungle?
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I made this mistake once with a shotgun in a regular foam gun case for about two weeks. the rust I got was waaaaaay less than what you have, just a few spots of surface rust. I just put some Hoppes Elite gun oil on it and gently worked at the rust with an old wire barrel brush, then cleaned off the gunk with an oiled rag and checked for more rust. Got rid of it in less than 10 minutes and no "pock marks", pitting or scratches showed up. It looked just as it did before the rust. If I had to estimate, the intensity of my rust was about equivalent to what is on the portion of the barrel between the two attachment points of the front sight.

As far as storage goes, I would think you could stick the guns in an oiled "gun sock" and then put them in the foam case. I can't vouch for the validity of this because I have a safe, but I believe that was the intended purpose of gun socks right? Best bet is obviously to get a safe, but in the meantime I think that would work.
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Do you leave it open (no container or case) in the gun safe?
That's what I do. Guns oiled properly and placed inside safe. Safe has a dehumidifier and a couple silica packs.

I previously kept my 870 in a shotgun bag and after a few months, it had very light rust on it. Haven't put it back in that case ever since.
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I never had a issue with this amount of rust, i usually wipe it down with frog lube. But I didn't I guess i learned my lesson.
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It is not rust ! It is patina!!!!
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coating the gun with frog lube and using a bristle brush got the job done. Thank you for all your inputs.
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...As far as storage goes, I would think you could stick the guns in an oiled "gun sock" and then put them in the foam case. ...

No. The best storage is with air circulation, a dry environment and a steady temperature. Anything that is less than that is not ideal.
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i bought those single handgun cases from big 5. One type is Brown suede outside with wool (I think) and the other type nylon with a thin foam liner on the inside.

Is thus safe to store hand guns in?

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I have the suede/wool type for a couple hand guns. No issues, but the wool on mine are sprayed (lightly soaked?) with Tri-Flow. Been like that since the 80's.

YMMV.

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I've never seen it that bad before.
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Odd, before I purchased a Stack on 8 gun cabinet recently Ive always stored my remington 870 and 1964 Marlin .22 in a foam padded double gun (2 sides) hard case and have never had a rust issue, even without a desiccant!
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Odd, before I purchased a Stack on 8 gun cabinet recently Ive always stored my remington 870 and 1964 Marlin .22 in a foam padded double gun (2 sides) hard case and have never had a rust issue, even without a desiccant!
It's not that using cases is a guarantee of rust. It depends entirely on environmental conditions, and how much oil is involved. High humidity and then a drop in temp, guess what that moisture is going to condense on? The gun inside the case. How absorbent the material is can also make a difference. Sure, lots of people can get away with it for extended periods of time, but if it ever does end up rusting in the case... that's the reason.

As far as gun socks, a well oiled gun stock with a well oiled gun in it, in a safe with some sort of dehumidifier/dessicant will keep that gun from getting dinged up(or it from dinging up other guns) if things get bumped around.

Some guns come in foam cases from the factory, but you'll also note that they're coated in packing oil/grease.
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