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Old 08-20-2013, 2:15 PM
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Was up at the Eagles Nest private ranges Sunday with a friend for Stan Lee of TASC's shotgun 202 course

We arrived alittle early before the 1230 pm start time and we had never been to the particular C range where it would be scheduled so we parked in the lot for A range to look for a map or ask directions.

As soon as we got out of the car we were confronted by a man we later learned was most likely an instructor from another course. He demanded to know why we were there and his body language, demeanor, and posture was indicative of hostility or just rude at the least

I stated calmly that we were here for shotgun 202 with TASC. We already paid in advance for use of the range so we were authorized to be there. He stated curtly that there was no such class here

I said that it was to be at C range

He says C range is not here

I ask if he knows where it is

He says he does not know

I forget what else was said just that we were both off put by the apparent hostility

We walked over to the sign then figured C range was on the other side and drive and parked there

When we got to C range, we looked over to see the guy staring at us from his side

Creepy

We told Stan about it and he said it was not the first time it had happened
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Wonder what he was up to that he didnt want you to see behind him....
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If it was on the A Range, the only other person teaching up there would have been Uncle Scotty Reitz of ITTS.
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We were in the parking lot only between

We did not enter any ranges that we did not belong in
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If it was on the A Range, the only other person teaching up there would have been Uncle Scotty Reitz of ITTS.
If it was then that's too bad, we wanted to take his class at ITTS in the future. If he didn't like us because we were taking Stan's class instead that day and was unwelcoming, that's too bad for all of us. We would have been good students and benefited from his instruction. In before the fan boys start saying he doesn't need my business anyway.
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Ive trained with both up there and would recommend them both. Having said that, Uncle Scotty has been doing this awhile so maybe old age is making him even more crusty. Who knows.
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Ive trained with both up there and would recommend them both. Having said that, Uncle Scotty has been doing this awhile so maybe old age is making him even more crusty. Who knows.
Yeah, Stan said the same thing.

But I don't know what Uncle Scotty looks like so I can't say with certainty who it was.

While we certainly would not expect a hearty warm welcome, a polite/reserved "Hi guys" followed by "what brings you two up here/can i help you find your class" is something I would have expected from an instructor. But who knows.
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My guess is lead poisioning. Trade hazard when working at a range. Sympts include:
1.Headaches, irritability, fatigue, difficulty sleeping, difficulty learning or concentrating, aggressive behavior.
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People do that to you, turn it around.

"Who are you?"
"Do you work here?"
"Are you the rangemaster?"
"Show me some credentials"

You don't get to demand answers from me until I know who the **** you are.

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But I don't know what Uncle Scotty looks like so I can't say with certainty who it was.
Well, in the video I saw him in, he was sporting the sweet permed mullet.
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Was up at the Eagles Nest private ranges Sunday with a friend for Stan Lee of TASC's shotgun 202 course

We arrived alittle early before the 1230 pm start time and we had never been to the particular C range where it would be scheduled so we parked in the lot for A range to look for a map or ask directions.

As soon as we got out of the car we were confronted by a man we later learned was most likely an instructor from another course. He demanded to know why we were there and his body language, demeanor, and posture was indicative of hostility or just rude at the least

I stated calmly that we were here for shotgun 202 with TASC. We already paid in advance for use of the range so we were authorized to be there. He stated curtly that there was no such class here

I said that it was to be at C range

He says C range is not here

I ask if he knows where it is

He says he does not know

I forget what else was said just that we were both off put by the apparent hostility

We walked over to the sign then figured C range was on the other side and drive and parked there

When we got to C range, we looked over to see the guy staring at us from his side

Creepy

We told Stan about it and he said it was not the first time it had happened
Could he have been profiling you?
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You should have done him a favor and told him to make sure he wasn't off his meds.
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Well, it is LA, people are rude and inconsiderate all over LA. But still, what a great way to welcome new shooters to the fold. It takes more effort to be a wanker than to be nice.
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seems like a great time to tell him to pound sand
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People do that to you, turn it around.

"Who are you?"
"Do you work here?"
"Are you the rangemaster?"
"Show me some credentials"

You don't get to demand answers from me until I know who the **** you are.



Well, in the video I saw him in, he was sporting the sweet permed mullet.
That was something I forgot to ask

Also he had a sidearm holstered and his demeanor suggested he was fast on the draw must have subconsciously made me want to get out of that situation ASAP rather than escalate and piss him off. He was pretty intimidating.
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Could he have been profiling you?
Maybe he doesn't like Asian Americans?

I am Chinese, my friend is Japanese, and Stan is also Asian. But we are also all American citizens
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Caught him jerking off in his car?
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How is this even thread worthy? Cry me a river someone was rude.
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How is this even thread worthy? Cry me a river someone was rude.
It was enough to generate enough of a negative response from you.

How would you feel if you weren't doing anything wrong and MYOB and I came up to you demanding to know what you are doing here in a intimidating manner with a gun on my hip?

I consider Stan of TASC to be a friend but he is and although he is not the only instructor and recipient of my business, I have found him to be down to earth, honest, professional, and worthy of my time and according to him, this is not the only time his students have been intimidated or rudely treated by so.

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It could be his hemorrhoids...
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I'd react the same way I would with anyone else. Seems like everyone has feelings of a 14 year old girl.
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What is it with firearms instructors? So many of them think they're some kind of god for being one.

Stan is an exception, very personable.

Never met Reitz, though he has a great rep as an instructor. I'd train with him if not for the pricing.

Doesn't mean he isn't a complete a** outside of that scope.
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If the guy worked there he would have known where range C is.
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As soon as we got out of the car we were confronted by a man we later learned was most likely an instructor from another course. He demanded to know why we were there
Tell him you're there because you are all out of bubble gum.
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I don't go there becouse all the people that work there are jerks.
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Was up at the Eagles Nest private ranges Sunday with a friend for Stan Lee of TASC's shotgun 202 course

We arrived alittle early before the 1230 pm start time and we had never been to the particular C range where it would be scheduled so we parked in the lot for A range to look for a map or ask directions.

As soon as we got out of the car we were confronted by a man we later learned was most likely an instructor from another course. He demanded to know why we were there and his body language, demeanor, and posture was indicative of hostility or just rude at the least

I stated calmly that we were here for shotgun 202 with TASC. We already paid in advance for use of the range so we were authorized to be there. He stated curtly that there was no such class here

I said that it was to be at C range

He says C range is not here

I ask if he knows where it is

He says he does not know

I forget what else was said just that we were both off put by the apparent hostility

We walked over to the sign then figured C range was on the other side and drive and parked there

When we got to C range, we looked over to see the guy staring at us from his side

Creepy

We told Stan about it and he said it was not the first time it had happened

Sounds like someone has gone "Full Retard" ... in all places a gun range -- were everybody who has a *purpose* there has... guess what, a gun..!

Common sense (especially from an Firearms Instructor) should dictate that one should never go Full Retard in a Gun Range... Like an OP stated, things can escalate and this is something you just don't want to hear in the news now.

If there were threats made whether explicitly stated or implied by aggressive posturing in a gun range, it can get ugly fast. It just takes 2 hot heads to escalate things way out of control.

For that instructor to aggressively confront you with a visible side arm to me is no joking matter and I myself won't take that lightly. This is not in the same league as arguing for a parking spot at a shopping mall during Christmas holidays (though shootings I hear has happened!).

There is a right way and a wrong way to confront a person for a grievance you may have. Belittling, screaming and treating someone *you don't know* like a juvenile is, in my opinion, especially if they can be armed --> STUPID!

Like Mama always said, it always pays to be polite...

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How is this even thread worthy? Cry me a river someone was rude.
How is this even post worthy? Cry me a river someone posted something I don't deem worthy.

Always cracks me up when people take the time to add to something they don't think is worhty of talking about.

It's even funnier when they post in old threads to say "Let this thread die already!"
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If you're reporting that this is not the first time, have you talked to Angeles management or Alex at the front desk?
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Should have asked him if he even lifts!

Have your buddy get his camera out, tell the instructor to pound sand, then post the result here for our enjoyment, entertainment and comments.
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People do that to you, turn it around.

"Who are you?"
"Do you work here?"
"Are you the rangemaster?"
"Show me some credentials"

You don't get to demand answers from me until I know who the **** you are.

Well, in the video I saw him in, he was sporting the sweet permed mullet.
This.
Unless you're wearing a uniform with LEO badge and carrying a gun, I don't answer anyone unless you show me some ID.

Never answer any questions by anyone unless they can show some proper id.
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There is a right way and a wrong way to confront a person for a grievance you may have. Belittling, screaming and treating someone *you don't know* like juvenile is, I my opinion, especially if they can be armed... STUPID!
That's what the internet is for. No FTF contact = much safer to be rude.
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Just complain to Alex. He is the range employee with all the tattoos
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Maybe he doesn't like Asian Americans?

I am Chinese, my friend is Japanese, and Stan is also Asian. But we are also all American citizens
Shoulda said in your worst Chinese accent, "We here, buy guns, you sell, no tell police".
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That was something I forgot to ask

Also he had a sidearm holstered and his demeanor suggested he was fast on the draw must have subconsciously made me want to get out of that situation ASAP rather than escalate and piss him off.
Sometimes it's better to remove yourself from the situation and deal with it through other means, rather than escalate a situation with someone whose status and mental state you don't know.

I've made the wrong call on that type of deal once or twice, and it can be an expensive lesson.
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I am Chinese, my friend is Japanese, and Stan is also Asian. But we are also all American citizens
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Shoulda said in your worst Chinese accent, "We here, buy guns, you sell, no tell police".


He's probably angry that Stan's getting good business from you guys and he's not. You probably pulled up in a pretty nice car like a Lexus or BMW I suspect?
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Sometimes it's better to remove yourself from the situation and deal with it through other means, rather than escalate a situation with someone whose status and mental state you don't know.

I've made the wrong call on that type of deal once or twice, and it can be an expensive lesson.
Definitely... by now George Zimmerman can attest to that statement for sure !
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Definitely... by now George Zimmerman can attest to that statement for sure !
As can Trayvon.
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More info about Scott Reitz.

http://www.internationaltactical.com/scott.html

[...
Scott has been involved in five officer involved shootings that were ruled justifiable with not a single resultant lawsuit. He has taught hundreds of officers that have subsequently been involved in gunfights and to his knowledge, not a single one has resulted in an out of policy shooting.
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Hmmm... as the saying goes, "There's always the chance for a first time ..."
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