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Old 06-14-2013, 2:41 PM
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The Governor of Nevada vetoed gun control legislation, even though Bloomberg was dumping money into it. Yes, NV isn't CA, but it's at least a sign that there's always hope. Never stop fighting.
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can yee ban the BB if a judge already said it was legal?

I Found This In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California
The recent court case Haynie v Pleasanton validated that a Bullet Button is legal and guns that have one installed do not qualify as assault weapons.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=429902

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can yee ban the BB if a judge already said it was legal?

I Found This In http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Gun_laws_in_California
The recent court case Haynie v Pleasanton validated that a Bullet Button is legal and guns that have one installed do not qualify as assault weapons.

http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=429902

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Well that's what bills are for... making things that aren't illegal... well... illegal.
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For those of you not in the know (or who have forgotten), a bill created in the California Senate (SBs) has to then go to the California Assembly, and then be signed by the Governor.

Regarding these links: It's much the same as at the Federal level, but substitute House of Representatives (Congress) for California Assembly (and US Senate for California Senate, and in the Executive branch, the President for Governor).
http://kids.clerk.house.gov/grade-sc....html?intID=17

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Otbml6WIQPo

I don't mean to put anyone down posting those links, but that's how I remember it from grade school (Some good things come out of PBS).

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I feel like I'm going to be forced to move out of California. How depressing, the most beautiful state run by the most illogical lunatics.
I have moved to Texas for these reasons. I'm pissed I had to move out of my home state to get my god given rights back. I loved where I lived and loved my job and had to leave it all because of the idiots running California. Miss my home every day........

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I've been thinking about SB 374 for a while and I think it is important that Brown signs it. We need SB 374 to be reviewed by SCOTUS. The goal is to use Heller to define long guns with detachable magazines a common weapon that the 2nd Amendment protect making the ban on them unconstitutional. Ultimately SB 47 would not even matter as long as the ban on detachable magazine is recognized as unconstitutional.

This is a stretch but it might be our chance to hit a homer.
Sounds like the same logic that some deployed in defense of the one which banned unloaded open carry of handguns. Look where that got us. Its defenders on this board said that needed to pass, so that the court could review it in light of the Peruta (?) decision which stated that we didn't need shall-issue CCW, since we had the ability to "bear" arms in the form of UOC.

Instead, we got a ban on UOC *and* restrictive "may issue" CCW policies in most urban areas of Cali. This is more of the same fail.
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North Korea just needs to nuke Sacramento and LA, and this states problems will be solved!
Please don't advocate nuking me. I don't like these bills either.
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What I don't understand about SB 47 and the like bills is this. BB and 10rds already makes it more difficult to reload, and the frequency at which it needs to be done. Why do they feel that making completely fixed mags is necessary? Nothing has happened in our state to prompt these bills. It is just a bunch of moronic diplomats trying to put another notch in their stock to try and validate their menial lives. (sorry they wouldn't have a gun stock to notch.... walking stick?)
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I have moved to Texas for these reasons. I'm pissed I had to move out of my home state to get my god given rights back. I loved where I lived and loved my job and had to leave it all because of the idiots running California. Miss my home every day........

You should not have bailed if your home was here, I'll be damned if I'm going to let the liberals chase me from my home, I vow to be a thorn in their azz until no longer able. Besides, now the rest of us are a man down.
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You should not have bailed if your home was here, I'll be damned if I'm going to let the liberals chase me from my home, I vow to be a thorn in their azz until no longer able. Besides, now the rest of us are a man down.
Well I'm moving back to California ASAP!!Just waiting on my wife's transfer and will be on my way. I'm letting them run me off WHEN they need to go not me. I also have been active in the fight from Texas!!.I still have my house in California so all is good!!.Got to Texas and it is not all that got here and knew I made a big mistake moving here. I love California and can't move back soon enough!!.So we will be a man up again soon!!

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I've visited Texas (west TX, hill country mostly). Nice place .... to visit, but CA is my home. I ain't going anywhere.
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Well I'm moving back to California ASAP!!Just waiting on my wife's transfer and will be on my way. I'm letting them run me off WHEN they need to go not me. I also have been active in the fight from Texas!!.I still have my house in California so all is good!!.Got to Texas and it is not all that got here and knew I made a big mistake moving here. I love California and can't move back soon enough!!.So we will be a man up again soon!!
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they'll wait till after mid term elections, just like obamacare. there is so much mistrust in govt at this point. but, this is CA and they know what's best for our health and well being....
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The Governor of Nevada vetoed gun control legislation, even though Bloomberg was dumping money into it. Yes, NV isn't CA, but it's at least a sign that there's always hope. Never stop fighting.
that's very idealistic and i commend you, but this is CA. this left leaning state will never stop trying to disarm the people.
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Please don't advocate nuking me. I don't like these bills either.
Certainly! Because as long as we have San Francisco, our civil liberties will be safe!
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Certainly! Because as long as we have San Francisco, our civil liberties will be safe!
Counter SF with the Central Valley. Make the Central Valley a pro 2A stronghold. We can start this July by helping pro 2A candidate Vidak get elected. http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=787392
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IT is more than the Second amendment and a 10 to 30 round clip.
For every battle they can win...-it gets them closer (on gun rights)to winning the war.
If you watch the Fox news-you ARE loosing yours/mine and everyone's Bill of Rights. Right to speak freely-how many only do FTF and no third party...when you talk...Under a cement floor/or inside.
second amendment-just a stop on their road.
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If all these bills are signed into law how long until they go into effect? Will I still be able to buy a lower and a complete upper? Or do I need to panic buy now?
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that's very idealistic and i commend you, but this is CA. this left leaning state will never stop trying to disarm the people.
IMO this state will be the first to disarm their residents by force if necessary.
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It seems to me that the California Democrats in Sacramento want to upstage the NY Democrats as the state with the most restrictive state gun laws. Give them a few more years and we can only imagine if there will be any 2nd amendment left at all in California. I would be surprised if any of these laws that have already been passed by huge margins in the state senate do not also pass in the assembly. I guess there is not a big enough constituency of Democrats who are also gun enthusiasts for the Democrat politicians to care about their 2nd amendment rights. In addition, I am confident there will be weasel amendments to enable the powerful and connected their exemptions from the law the rest of us will be under. I would be optimistic about a court challenge to these thinly veiled laws that are obviously intended to be punitive towards any law abiding citizen's rights while falsely purporting to be about "public safety", however, with courts increasingly abandoning the rule of law in favor of the rule of politics, especially here in California, I am not optimistic on the chances of the rule of law prevailing.
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IMO this state will be the first to disarm their residents by force if necessary.
There are chilling stories of a lot of people who had there weapons confiscated during Katrina, some at gun point, for no legal reason at all.
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The Governor of Nevada vetoed gun control legislation, even though Bloomberg was dumping money into it. Yes, NV isn't CA, but it's at least a sign that there's always hope. Never stop fighting.
Perhaps all of us gun owners should move to Nevada and bolster the resistance there while it is not too late. California is looking like a lost cause in which it is too late.
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North Korea just needs to nuke Sacramento and LA, and this states problems will be solved!
You forgot the SF Bay Area
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Screw that, I live in Sac (well, just south). I don't want a nuke in my backyard.

Now, if you said, LA and Berkeley, that's some thing I'd be ok with. LOL J/K.. sorta.
I'm in the SF Bay Area and I'm fine with them nuking us. Just give me a few hours heads up please.
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I've written, called, faxed, e-mailed and donated all the money I can afford. And still we lose. I fully expect the assembly to vote yes on all of these and that moonbeam will sign them. Even of he doesn't, the libs have a veto proof majority. I don't have the $$$ to hire the lawyers needed to fight this, but I'll join a lawsuit as a plaintiff. Who is going to sue, CALGUNS or the NRA? Someone had better, or I won't be donating anymore- I'll just buy the rifles I want before January 2014 and wait until my grandson is old enough to fly on a plane alone so he can come visit me in my new home- which is potentially any state that has a more gun friendly atmosphere. Too bad, I was born here and I feel like I'm giving up.
I'm with you brother. Why do the worst amongst us get to lay political hold to the best real estate in the country? It's not right. The good people deserve better than that. And the courts are supposed to be where the little guy can get justice because the rule of law is supposed to trump the dictates of the mob. But as we see far too often, the mob has increasingly gained control of the courts so that now the courts often abandon the rule of law in favor of the rule of politics(i.e. the ninth circus court of appeals.)

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SB 47 by Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco: bans so-called "bullet buttons" used to get around existing laws banning detachable magazines

SB 53 by Sen. Kevin de León, D-Los Angeles: creates new state permits that require background checks for buyers of ammunition

SB 374 by Sen. Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento: bans detachable magazines in rifles

SB 396 by Sen. Loni Hancock, D-Berkeley: prohibits possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition

SB 567 by Sen. Hannah-Beth Jackson, D-Santa Barbara: changes the definition of certain kinds of shotguns to make them assault weapons

SB 683 by Sen. Marty Block, D-San Diego: requires all gun buyers to take a firearm safety class and earn a safety certificate

SB 755 by Sen. Lois Wolk, D-Davis: increases the number of crimes - including drug addiction, chronic alcoholism and others - that result in a 10-year ban on being allowed to own a gun

All of this is coming from Democrats. What percentage of calgunners vote Democrat?
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I've been thinking about SB 374 for a while and I think it is important that Brown signs it. We need SB 374 to be reviewed by SCOTUS. The goal is to use Heller to define long guns with detachable magazines a common weapon that the 2nd Amendment protect making the ban on them unconstitutional. Ultimately SB 47 would not even matter as long as the ban on detachable magazine is recognized as unconstitutional.

This is a stretch but it might be our chance to hit a homer.
That would be fantastic and also supported by the rule of law, however, who would have thought CJ Roberts could be bought or intimidated, yet that is what appeared to have happened when he abandoned the rule of law on the Obamacare ruling and instead rewrote it with convoluted logic to fit a nonsensical definition of conformity with the Constitution. You can bet that Obama will remind him who his daddy is if this kind of case (which would blow apart assault weapon bans) ever made it to the SCOTUS which is where it would end up after the 9th circus ruled against us. It would be a homer though if it happened, but it is a stretch, quite a stretch. Roberts would have to find his gonads and I kind of doubt that is going to happen.
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All this is saddening. Asked the Mrs. this week, so, which state do you want to move too. Both of us are CA born and raised. Beautiful State... f'd up politicians and media!

We need to split the state!!! East and West (aka Blue and Red) Why can't the CAGOP sponsor propositions like that? How how about a proposition about 2A? Or How about a proposition to change our electoral college, so my fricken vote is represented? Is it 100,000 signatures to get a proposition on the ballot? I'll stand infront of Safeway and collect signatures. Where do I sign up to do that?

Instead our CAGOP sucks ballz. Have you seen their FB page? https://www.facebook.com/CARepublicanParty look at the depressed people in the banner picture. No wonder we can't attract voters!

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I've thought the same thing, but I'd like to split it into three states. Northern (North of SLO and 30 miles inland)Southern( South of Santa Barbara and 30 miles inland) Central (the balance of the state- we deserve a little coastline too.)
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Based on ca gov website there are 11 rep out of 39 senators which means 28 deems which is over 2/3.
25 rep out of 79 assembly members again 2/3 is deems.
It's called "gerrymandering." The voting districts were gerrymandered to give the Democrats eternal control of CA( see some voting districts. They are shaped like cancer tumors) ( I believe Gerrymandering was ruled illegal twice by the Supreme Court.) Arguably, we do not have a legitimate state government, but then, the rule of law has been replaced by the rule of politics in this state.
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I have never felt so helpless. I've been writing for months and this crap still turns into ABs and SBs. I'm afraid I'm on a few lists.

What do we do now? Wait to see if they pass senate and Brown?

I think I agree with Hotwls13...this state is lost. And it sucks, because aside from politics, I love this state. Second generation Californian here.
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These bills are only about bills that passed the Senate. Most of these bills will not pass in the assembly in their current form. There is no way a veto override on any of these bills occur. There is not enough support in the assembly to override a JB Veto.


Even trying to think that far ahead at this point is being intellectually dishonest with yourself and the system. I have no idea why so many of you think that just because then senate passes something, both assembly and governor will also pass the same language.

On the gun issues here is appears the assembly is not comepletely falling in line with the senate and doubt the governor is either.
I hope you are right. I really hope you are right.

Eventually though, the handwriting is on the wall that they will get all of it and even more in the years to come as larger Democrat majorities take control of Sacramento. The state is on a downward trajectory. The state has built a hostile business climate and has unmanageable debt that they want the business community and the well to do to pay for which is chasing same out of the state. Meanwhile, they are attracting the indigent from all over the world here with free handouts in return for voting for Democrats. It appears to be an irreversible death spiral in the long run.
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It seems to me that the California Democrats in Sacramento want to upstage the NY Democrats as the state with the most restrictive state gun laws. Give them a few more years and we can only imagine if there will be any 2nd amendment left at all in California. I would be surprised if any of these laws that have already been passed by huge margins in the state senate do not also pass in the assembly. I guess there is not a big enough constituency of Democrats who are also gun enthusiasts for the Democrat politicians to care about their 2nd amendment rights. In addition, I am confident there will be weasel amendments to enable the powerful and connected their exemptions from the law the rest of us will be under. I would be optimistic about a court challenge to these thinly veiled laws that are obviously intended to be punitive towards any law abiding citizen's rights while falsely purporting to be about "public safety", however, with courts increasingly abandoning the rule of law in favor of the rule of politics, especially here in California, I am not optimistic on the chances of the rule of law prevailing.
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Perhaps all of us gun owners should move to Nevada and bolster the resistance there while it is not too late. California is looking like a lost cause in which it is too late.
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I'm with you brother. Why do the worst amongst us get to lay political hold to the best real estate in the country? It's not right. The good people deserve better than that. And the courts are supposed to be where the little guy can get justice because the rule of law is supposed to trump the dictates of the mob. But as we see far too often, the mob has increasingly gained control of the courts so that now the courts often abandon the rule of law in favor of the rule of politics(i.e. the ninth circus court of appeals.)
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A man bashes his head into a wall until it hurts and then complains his head hurts. He thinks about it and concludes he isn't bashing his head hard enough into the wall and continues doing it hoping for different results.
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ZERO !!!!
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That would be fantastic and also supported by the rule of law, however, who would have thought CJ Roberts could be bought or intimidated, yet that is what appeared to have happened when he abandoned the rule of law on the Obamacare ruling and instead rewrote it with convoluted logic to fit a nonsensical definition of conformity with the Constitution. You can bet that Obama will remind him who his daddy is if this kind of case (which would blow apart assault weapon bans) ever made it to the SCOTUS which is where it would end up after the 9th circus ruled against us. It would be a homer though if it happened, but it is a stretch, quite a stretch. Roberts would have to find his gonads and I kind of doubt that is going to happen.
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I've thought the same thing, but I'd like to split it into three states. Northern (North of SLO and 30 miles inland)Southern( South of Santa Barbara and 30 miles inland) Central (the balance of the state- we deserve a little coastline too.)
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It's called "gerrymandering." The voting districts were gerrymandered to give the Democrats eternal control of CA( see some voting districts. They are shaped like cancer tumors) ( I believe Gerrymandering was ruled illegal twice by the Supreme Court.) Arguably, we do not have a legitimate state government, but then, the rule of law has been replaced by the rule of politics in this state.
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Me too
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I hope you are right. I really hope you are right.

Eventually though, the handwriting is on the wall that they will get all of it and even more in the years to come as larger Democrat majorities take control of Sacramento. The state is on a downward trajectory. The state has built a hostile business climate and has unmanageable debt that they want the business community and the well to do to pay for which is chasing same out of the state. Meanwhile, they are attracting the indigent from all over the world here with free handouts in return for voting for Democrats. It appears to be an irreversible death spiral in the long run.
Ever tried the "Edit" button at the bottom of your posting? THIRTEEN in a row???
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What I don't understand about SB 47 and the like bills is this. BB and 10rds already makes it more difficult to reload, and the frequency at which it needs to be done. Why do they feel that making completely fixed mags is necessary? Nothing has happened in our state to prompt these bills. It is just a bunch of moronic diplomats trying to put another notch in their stock to try and validate their menial lives. (sorry they wouldn't have a gun stock to notch.... walking stick?)
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Been trying to search around but can't find where exactly the state is with these. Trying to figure out what point I need to buy a lower before panic really sets in.
I've been following this thread to do exactly that
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You should be buying now........and as many as your bank account can afford. Seen this many times before.......
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