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Old 05-31-2013, 9:24 AM
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"passed by the senate" is currently making the rounds as "passed waiting for signature"
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Didn't all 10 of these bills just pass the Senate?
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When? I see in the Senate, they still have the supermajority as of 5/22.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...NEWS/130529955
Except for tax and revenue bills, all they need is a simple majority to ram these laws down our throats.
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Except for tax and revenue bills, all they need is a simple majority to ram these laws down our throats.
True, but should the Governor veto, they would need 2/3 to override the veto.
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True, but should the Governor veto, they would need 2/3 to override the veto.
Do you have any idea how damaging over riding a veto can be to a politician who objects to the Governors Veto? Over riding Vetos is not very good politics for other bills a politician that may need the Governors help on the next go around.

Furthermore the vacancies you have shown i believe have been filled by an R. Just last week or so. The super majority is not what you think it is when the actual over ride were to be attempted. Extremely unlikely in these cases.

The assembly isn't even close in gun bills when it comes to the stuff the Senate passed either. I doubt the Senate will even get half the bills past the assembly.
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this is the worst list of stuff i've seen since i moved to this great state. BY FAR.

if you like what you have, consider taking 2 minutes to click the link in my above post and express your concerns to your representatives
Yeah this is pretty much Armageddon right here. People in rather restrictive countries like France/Germany will be able to own 'cooler' guns than we can if this passes, which is nuts.
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SB 47 by Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco: bans so-called "bullet buttons" used to get around existing laws banning detachable magazines

SB 53 by Sen. Kevin de León, D-Los Angeles: creates new state permits that require background checks for buyers of ammunition

SB 374 by Sen. Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento: bans detachable magazines in rifles

SB 396 by Sen. Loni Hancock, D-Berkeley: prohibits possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition

SB 567 by Sen. Hannah-Beth Jackson, D-Santa Barbara: changes the definition of certain kinds of shotguns to make them assault weapons

SB 683 by Sen. Marty Block, D-San Diego: requires all gun buyers to take a firearm safety class and earn a safety certificate

SB 755 by Sen. Lois Wolk, D-Davis: increases the number of crimes - including drug addiction, chronic alcoholism and others - that result in a 10-year ban on being allowed to own a gun

All of this is coming from Democrats. What percentage of calgunners vote Democrat?
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Some of you who think you are being "realistic" are ver negative and shortsighted. These bills are written by people who don't care about our civil rights at all and are completely ridiculous. While some or even most may pass, they'll have their day in court and I truly believe will be shot down. Especially the ones that re-classify our semi-auto rifles into AW's and don't allow us to transfer our guns to our children. That affects way to many people to stand up in court.
The people who write these bills do not care about our civil rights. The catch is the court system won't care either. If it gets better at all ( it may not) it will get much worse first.
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All of this is coming from Democrats. What percentage of calgunners vote Democrat?
What percentage of Republicans are electable in urban areas of California?
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Sorry if I am repeating any previous posts...
The California Senate lost its Democratic super-majority earlier this year due to vacated seats. However, they regained it after special elections were held in those districts where the seats were vacated. So yes, Dems still hold a super-majority in both the Assembly and the Senate.

This whole thing just stinks. I'm hoping for the best, planning, well just waiting I guess for the worst.
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Very sad how there is so little debate in California media on this. For the most part it is either silent, or tacitly endorsing them. Highly frustrating the lack of critical thinking on civil rights, that people are so willing to put blindfolds on and just jump into the abyss.
The ca media is a joke. They focus on celebrities, they play up any shootings, tell us how great the weather is and give us fluffy stories. It keeps the masses minds numb.
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SB 683 by Sen. Marty Block, D-San Diego: requires all gun buyers to take a firearm safety class and earn a safety certificate
and how will this stop another mass shooting and really ....Im a former Marine I think I can shoot safely
+1 except Army. I've helped teach hundreds of Soldiers to shoot and/or shoot better while my rep, Yee, probably has never shot in his life. How he's qualified to write crap like this blows my mind.

I know it doesn't add to the topic so to bring it back: I'm guessing they all pass and the courts will decide on the property related ones. That way no legislator or governor has their hands dirty.
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What percentage of Republicans are electable in urban areas of California?
In my area (San Francisco)? Zero. You'd have to be a libertarian on a democratic or green ticket.

I'm a calgunner who voted for a couple dems but mostly because I'm upset at the GOP for unrelated issues. Now I'm rethinking that call...
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In my area (San Francisco)? Zero. You'd have to be a libertarian on a democratic or green ticket.

I'm a calgunner who voted for a couple dems but mostly because I'm upset at the GOP for unrelated issues. Now I'm rethinking that call...
Yup. Time to become a single issue voter.
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I will side on the silence in the media being on purpose.

and people in this state do not care for their rights they have no problem giving them away. in some twisted way I hope it does happen because once they are gone people will wonder why they are getting arrested for something that they thought they had a right to do.

and im not referring to our gun rights I would love to see the 1rst Amendment go here. then people will care.
No, there is no conspiracy there.

It's just that this is about the city/rural divide in California (and in the country in general). The huge majority of media professionals don't live in rural California - they live and often were raised in cities or cozy suburbs. They had little to no exposure to firearms.

It's a subject they know very little about, and they don't really understand what's going on. Furthermore, most gun enthusiasts hate the media. So it's not like they feel much motivation to really investigate or understand what's going on there.

So in the end, it's very much a chicken-and-egg thing.

The media doesn't want to be part of a conspiracy. What the media wants is to sell ads and subscriptions. And those bills right now don't make for a very interesting story to them they can sell ads against, because to them those potential laws are obscure and technical. They don't really understand what's going on.

Which is why we need to keep pressuring officials, but also write to the local and national media. We have to educate them to counter the Brady propaganda, and stop *****ing about conspiracies or bias. Otherwise they'll keep ignoring us.
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SB 47 by Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco: bans so-called "bullet buttons" used to get around existing laws banning detachable magazines

SB 53 by Sen. Kevin de León, D-Los Angeles: creates new state permits that require background checks for buyers of ammunition

SB 374 by Sen. Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento: bans detachable magazines in rifles

SB 396 by Sen. Loni Hancock, D-Berkeley: prohibits possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition

SB 567 by Sen. Hannah-Beth Jackson, D-Santa Barbara: changes the definition of certain kinds of shotguns to make them assault weapons

SB 683 by Sen. Marty Block, D-San Diego: requires all gun buyers to take a firearm safety class and earn a safety certificate

SB 755 by Sen. Lois Wolk, D-Davis: increases the number of crimes - including drug addiction, chronic alcoholism and others - that result in a 10-year ban on being allowed to own a gun

All of this is coming from Democrats. What percentage of calgunners vote Democrat?
of these evil bills, sb374 is the most evil of them all.

beside expanding the aw definition/registration, it also establish new registration for all handguns purchased before 1/1/91, and all rifles with detachable mags including C&R like Enfields, and regardless of caliber.
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In my area (San Francisco)? Zero. You'd have to be a libertarian on a democratic or green ticket.

I'm a calgunner who voted for a couple dems but mostly because I'm upset at the GOP for unrelated issues. Now I'm rethinking that call...
If you don't mind, what were the unrelated issues? If you do, not a biggie.
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If you want to change the tune of the CA democrat party so these bills will not show up as often it will take time. I grew up in the Bay Area and lived there for 20+ years, the best option would be running on a moderate ticket that is socially liberal and moderately fiscally conservative. Running on a Republican ticket is not politically feasible at the moment. It will take a while to win the votes of the people. Over a grand scale you could eventually socialize the public and media to guns but remember that it will be in incremental.
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If you don't mind, what were the unrelated issues? If you do, not a biggie.
I don't mind but doubt others want to hear it. PM sent.
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Jefferson, “Laws and institutions must go hand in hand with the general progress of the human mind”. Since the average California voter doesn’t seem to know or care other than politically correct ideals, our leaders will then take advantage of our freedoms and do what they want without repercussions. Until the average voter once again takes freedom seriously we few have to deal with the tyrants and do gooders as best as we can.
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While we all hope those which make it to the Gov's desk get vetoed, what, historically, is the highest number of vetoes a CA governor has ever issued?

I just don't see Brown throwing that many vetoes, regardless of the content of the bills.

Hopefully, he'll have other means of preventing them from landing on his desk, including influence in the Assembly.
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The days of riding on our forefathers coat tails as far as gun ownership goes is over we need to take action ourselves to protect our gun rights for not only us but future generations before its to late ( if its not to late already ) to many people point fingers or say they think this will or won't happen instead of taking any action write your representatives tell your family and friends to do the same heck tell the guy at Walmart or Big 5 waiting in line for ammo next to you to do so - make them hear us since without our 2A rights we are all bark and no bite if we lose them at least don't let it be without a fight!
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i would like to know why you have so much hope and faith in that the NRA will come to the rescue of some of these bills.. they pick and choose there battles and anyone who tries to battle California over common sense will surely loose.
you just cant stoop to a retards level...
You must have joined just about the time this was happening. AB962 was somewhat similar to the new bill that got dropped (53 I think). Don't lose hope even if the governor signs them into law. It is not the most desirable way to win, but its a win so Ill take it.

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YES! When people are posting false, misleading info, or are so lazy to not read the thread or Google to get info.

Next thing we will hear is "These bills are on the Gov's desk to be signed cause I read it on the bathroom wall at a chevron station yesterday."
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Next thing we will hear is "These bills are on the Gov's desk to be signed cause I read it on the bathroom wall at a chevron station yesterday."
Actually Brown just signed all the bills into law 2 hours ago. I heard that from a very reliable source at McDonald's.

Just kidding, but I couldn't refuse.

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I've been thinking about SB 374 for a while and I think it is important that Brown signs it. We need SB 374 to be reviewed by SCOTUS. The goal is to use Heller to define long guns with detachable magazines a common weapon that the 2nd Amendment protect making the ban on them unconstitutional. Ultimately SB 47 would not even matter as long as the ban on detachable magazine is recognized as unconstitutional.

This is a stretch but it might be our chance to hit a homer.
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SB 47 by Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco: bans so-called "bullet buttons" used to get around existing laws banning detachable magazines

SB 53 by Sen. Kevin de León, D-Los Angeles: creates new state permits that require background checks for buyers of ammunition

SB 374 by Sen. Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento: bans detachable magazines in rifles

SB 396 by Sen. Loni Hancock, D-Berkeley: prohibits possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition

SB 567 by Sen. Hannah-Beth Jackson, D-Santa Barbara: changes the definition of certain kinds of shotguns to make them assault weapons

SB 683 by Sen. Marty Block, D-San Diego: requires all gun buyers to take a firearm safety class and earn a safety certificate

SB 755 by Sen. Lois Wolk, D-Davis: increases the number of crimes - including drug addiction, chronic alcoholism and others - that result in a 10-year ban on being allowed to own a gun

All of this is coming from Democrats. What percentage of calgunners vote Democrat?
i don't know what %, but from what i was reading in this forum prior to the 2012 elections, there would be a significant amount of Californians who voted Democrat. why one member even challenged me and said "what has obama done to curtail my gun rights?"
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YES! When people are posting false, misleading info, or are so lazy to not read the thread or Google to get info.

Next thing we will hear is "These bills are on the Gov's desk to be signed cause I read it on the bathroom wall at a chevron station yesterday."
so inform them...this is the divisiveness of CA on this issue. all i hear is speculation. no one really knows what is going to happen.
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If you want to change the tune of the CA democrat party so these bills will not show up as often it will take time. I grew up in the Bay Area and lived there for 20+ years, the best option would be running on a moderate ticket that is socially liberal and moderately fiscally conservative. Running on a Republican ticket is not politically feasible at the moment. It will take a while to win the votes of the people. Over a grand scale you could eventually socialize the public and media to guns but remember that it will be in incremental.
exactly....this state will always be liberal.
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No, there is no conspiracy there.

It's just that this is about the city/rural divide in California (and in the country in general). The huge majority of media professionals don't live in rural California - they live and often were raised in cities or cozy suburbs. They had little to no exposure to firearms.

It's a subject they know very little about, and they don't really understand what's going on. Furthermore, most gun enthusiasts hate the media. So it's not like they feel much motivation to really investigate or understand what's going on there.

So in the end, it's very much a chicken-and-egg thing.

The media doesn't want to be part of a conspiracy. What the media wants is to sell ads and subscriptions. And those bills right now don't make for a very interesting story to them they can sell ads against, because to them those potential laws are obscure and technical. They don't really understand what's going on.

Which is why we need to keep pressuring officials, but also write to the local and national media. We have to educate them to counter the Brady propaganda, and stop *****ing about conspiracies or bias. Otherwise they'll keep ignoring us.
what conspiracy in my post? have you seen these videos on the stupid people of this state? apparently you have not. now while the person giving the so called petitions are fake it shows how people are so will to give it up. so flame away oh ignorant one.

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Old 06-04-2013, 8:26 AM
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YES! When people are posting false, misleading info, or are so lazy to not read the thread or Google to get info.

Next thing we will hear is "These bills are on the Gov's desk to be signed cause I read it on the bathroom wall at a chevron station yesterday."
Insults are still not necessary and serves to divide at a time when we need to be united.
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Old 06-04-2013, 8:38 AM
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Insults are still not necessary and serves to divide at a time when we need to be united.
Exactly. Now is the time to stick together and educate, not talk down to others who are trying to be involved in the pro-gun fight, many for the first time. Let's not scare them away, teach them how it works so they can spread the correct information.
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There are too many in this forum that do nothing. Don't vote, don't belong to the NRA, don't donate time and or money, etc etc so the anti-gun bills will just keep coming and coming. You are right. Us doing nothing at all won't help.
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Old 06-04-2013, 8:54 AM
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All this is saddening. Asked the Mrs. this week, so, which state do you want to move too. Both of us are CA born and raised. Beautiful State... f'd up politicians and media!

We need to split the state!!! East and West (aka Blue and Red) Why can't the CAGOP sponsor propositions like that? How how about a proposition about 2A? Or How about a proposition to change our electoral college, so my fricken vote is represented? Is it 100,000 signatures to get a proposition on the ballot? I'll stand infront of Safeway and collect signatures. Where do I sign up to do that?

Instead our CAGOP sucks ballz. Have you seen their FB page? https://www.facebook.com/CARepublicanParty look at the depressed people in the banner picture. No wonder we can't attract voters!

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Old 06-04-2013, 8:55 AM
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I think there will be quite a few veto's. Those that are not are clearly taking by the government without due process.





My predictions:

47 dies Its a Yee thang. If passes, Yee will be responsible for putting hundreds of thousands of AW's on the streets too.

53 dies at the hands of the Governor. (been there done that Kevin)

374 dies at the hands of the Governor. Or is met with an injunction via NRA

396 dies at the hands of the Governor. Pure and simple, illegal taking.

567 toss up

683 May withstand scrutiny

755 May withstand scrutiny
Even if it's vetoed, won't 2/3 votes of both houses make the bills become law?
Check this out
http://www.leginfo.ca.gov/bil2lawx.html
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Old 06-04-2013, 9:21 AM
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When? I see in the Senate, they still have the supermajority as of 5/22.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...NEWS/130529955
Based on ca gov website there are 11 rep out of 39 senators which means 28 deems which is over 2/3.
25 rep out of 79 assembly members again 2/3 is deems.
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Old 06-04-2013, 9:43 AM
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According to Discount Gun Mart in San Diego the following bills are sitting on the governors desk waiting to be signed/veto. Hopefully he veto's them all.

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List of bills:
SB 47 (Yee) Firearms: assault weapons - passed as amended
SB 53 (de Leon) Ammunition: purchase permits - passed as amended
SB 293 (DeSaulnier) Firearms: owner-authorized handguns - passed as amended
SB 374 (Steinberg) Firearms: assault weapons - passed as amended
SB 396 (Hancock) Firearms: magazine capacity - passed
SB 567 (Jackson) Firearms: shotguns - passed as amended
SB 683 (Block) Firearms: firearm safety certificate - passed as amended
SB 755 (Wolk) Firearms: prohibited persons - passed
What happens next
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