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Old 05-29-2013, 5:17 PM
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Exclamation UPDATE! Which bills will stand a chance and why/why not?

I think there will be quite a few veto's. Those that are not are clearly taking by the government without due process.


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SB 47 by Sen. Leland Yee, D-San Francisco: bans so-called "bullet buttons" used to get around existing laws banning detachable magazines

SB 53 by Sen. Kevin de León, D-Los Angeles: creates new state permits that require background checks for buyers of ammunition

SB 374 by Sen. Darrell Steinberg, D-Sacramento: bans detachable magazines in rifles

SB 396 by Sen. Loni Hancock, D-Berkeley: prohibits possession of magazines that hold more than 10 rounds of ammunition

SB 567 by Sen. Hannah-Beth Jackson, D-Santa Barbara: changes the definition of certain kinds of shotguns to make them assault weapons

SB 683 by Sen. Marty Block, D-San Diego: requires all gun buyers to take a firearm safety class and earn a safety certificate

SB 755 by Sen. Lois Wolk, D-Davis: increases the number of crimes - including drug addiction, chronic alcoholism and others - that result in a 10-year ban on being allowed to own a gun

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47 dies Its a Yee thang. If passes, Yee will be responsible for putting hundreds of thousands of AW's on the streets too. (Merged with 374)

53 dies at the hands of the Governor. (been there done that Kevin) (back to committee probably dead) DEAD

374 dies at the hands of the Governor. Or is met with an injunction via NRA (waiting till end of day) VETO!!!

396 dies at the hands of the Governor. Pure and simple, illegal taking.(dead)

567 toss up (passed awaiting gov sig) VETO!!!

683 May withstand scrutiny (passed awaiting gov sig) Passed governors desk

755 May withstand scrutiny (passed awaited gov sig) VETO!!!

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Thats rosy thinking. I say they all get signed. If not, remember this post and make me eat crow.
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I hope you're right with those predictions.
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they will all stand. why wouldnt they?
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I figure there's no chance in hell ALL of them will get vetoed, and pretty likely that all of them will be signed.

Even if we could be sure a couple of the more odious ones got vetoed, what remains is still intolerable.
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they will all stand. why wouldnt they?
Certainly anything the government "takes from you" that was legally yours to begin with is a taking of property.

Mags for instance will be a taking with no compensation. (completely illegal)

Banning semi autos and creating an AW out of them with no ability to transfer is also a taking. (completely illegal as is the current AWB which has not met its real day in court)

The biggest problem with these bills for the most part is forcing an American to part with their legally owned and purchased possessions. I don't see how almost any of these bills can stand up in court. JMO
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I also predict that the NRA will take each and every one of these bills if passed into law to court and asking for an immediate injunction based on taking of property.
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Taperxz, that's a good list.
Some of these bills (shenanigans)have been tried before and failed.
Many never made it to court, but they will now if they do go through.
Brown would be ill-advised to sign them all, because one by one they will be shot down based on existing case law and all he will get is bad publicity.
We wlll see if logic and law prevails.
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I generally agree with taperxz.

And Gov. Brown won't ban guns he owns. :-)

I think he'll see/be shown that Dickinson's Roster bill also stops legitimate transfers of the bulk of handguns in CA, making any practical disposal for cash near-impossible. [It would also make it difficult for him to transfer his dad's (Pat Brown's) legacy Colt 32 revolver. ;-)]

Brown recognizes that semiauto stuff is "in litigation", plus I believe he owns some one or two semiauto rifles at his ranch in NorCal. I don't see him signing anything confiscatory. He's a good lawyer with a good legal mind - we may not always agree with him, but he does understand problems with takings, compensation, etc.

Unsure about the "revolving shotgun matter". That could be argued as a 'clarification' of past law confusing cylinder vs magazine and shotgun/rifle. The actual worry is the details leaking out to affect other gun classes, not just a single weird Taurus/Rossi rifle shooting 410.

I see him signing as a "split the baby" + "public safety" issue the SB683 training bill (Block) - the 'average Joe' nonanalytically sees that as a "good thing".

I see some handwaving on Wolk's 10yr ban given due process arguments - I think some even in legislature see this as issue. (Adjudication? Rights restoral? etc.) If this were addressed somewhat rationally Brown may sign.
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SB 683 by Sen. Marty Block, D-San Diego: requires all gun buyers to take a firearm safety class and earn a safety certificate
and how will this stop another mass shooting and really ....Im a former Marine I think I can shoot safely
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Taperxz and bwiese, I sure hope your both right, since my current career is in firearms, this could literally put me out of work.
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Taperxz and bwiese, I sure hope your both right....
Me too, but we must remain vigilant.
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Taperxz and bwiese, I sure hope your both right, since my current career is in firearms, this could literally put me out of work.
Once I got over the initial shock at the scope of all these bills, this is my second thought. They are going to pretty much kill gun business in this state, at least anything ebr or the like related, which is pretty much everything these days.
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Taperxz and bwiese, I sure hope your both right, since my current career is in firearms, this could literally put me out of work.
Governor was the California AG prior to being Governor (again) I find it hard to believe he will spend money on losing in court laws created by the ignorant.

Regardless of your opinion of him, he is not stupid! HE IS ALL POLITICAL! Not stupid. If i am wrong then maybe age has set in on the old guy. His ranch is right down the road from mine so....
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I don't trust the guy period. actions speak louder than words. if he vetoes the bills that are worming their way through the legislative process then I will think otherwise. until then I don't trust him at all.
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SB 683 by Sen. Marty Block, D-San Diego: requires all gun buyers to take a firearm safety class and earn a safety certificate
and how will this stop another mass shooting and really ....Im a former Marine I think I can shoot safely
that law won't stop anyone period.

while I think training is a good thing I believe it should be strongly encouraged not mandated by government.

besides what good is that law if you can't get any ammo for the class.

I've been in the Army for more than 20yrs. I don't need a safety class to have a firearm.
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that law won't stop anyone period.

while I think training is a good thing I believe it should be strongly encouraged not mandated by government.

besides what good is that law if you can't get any ammo for the class.

I've been in the Army for more than 20yrs. I don't need a safety class to have a firearm.
and your right I havent bought ammo in months

Im also a Rifle shooting merit badge counselor and I cant even find 22 for my boys to train with. Have to resort to BBguns and they suck
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Thats rosy thinking. I say they all get signed. If not, remember this post and make me eat crow.
Fiveohmike, I hate to say it (not because of you) but I agree with you. The assembly will pass all of them and brown will sign all of them. Plus, there are more coming and those will all be passed and signed as well.

I'm just wondering if we can get a class action suit going for several of these? I know that several of these bills will prohibit me from using several of my firearms.
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I think he'll sign AT LEAST 2 of the bills...his record sides with the anti's and uninformed.
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Very sad how there is so little debate in California media on this. For the most part it is either silent, or tacitly endorsing them. Highly frustrating the lack of critical thinking on civil rights, that people are so willing to put blindfolds on and just jump into the abyss.
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Does anyone have any info on whether there is a chance of a recall of these individuals?
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Very sad how there is so little debate in California media on this. For the most part it is either silent, or tacitly endorsing them. Highly frustrating the lack of critical thinking on civil rights, that people are so willing to put blindfolds on and just jump into the abyss.
I will side on the silence in the media being on purpose.

and people in this state do not care for their rights they have no problem giving them away. in some twisted way I hope it does happen because once they are gone people will wonder why they are getting arrested for something that they thought they had a right to do.

and im not referring to our gun rights I would love to see the 1rst Amendment go here. then people will care.
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Hmm? Glad I load my own. I'll probably have to start picking up components out of state and bring them back here. 1 hr 20 min to Reno from here.
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Does anyone have any info on whether there is a chance of a recall of these individuals?
Existing thread on that; summary: the people that elected the current legislators like them and what they are doing - if one could be successfully recalled, the replacement would be similar in behavior.
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Existing thread on that; summary: the people that elected the current legislators like them and what they are doing - if one could be successfully recalled, the replacement would be similar in behavior.
Yep. They are interchangeable. Talking heads. Ultimately, their name means nothing. Merely actors playing a role. Don't forget that.
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I agree with traperxyz on the bills with taking without compensation - the state and the embarassment the legislature would suffer and could not stand having to payout to gunowners a reasonable value of the taken 'article' bottomline Brown will not waste his money on those.

The certification will pass, the other one NEEDS to address restoration in order to be signed.

And finally, brown is a smart politician going along with the anti's will not make his legacy, there is an equal opportunity that if he did sign all of them he knows they will be tied up in court for years so again no legacy.

Additionally Brown is seeing the blowback in the other states that were quick to act and the citizens have responded - Dems should have listen better to Willyboy (Bill Clinton) he gave due respect to the gun community and the NRA. Obama bet his hand they he could beat them, his boots soiled his house and then all the past shenanigans 'broke'. Obama's legacy is s***. Brown will not get close too the mess the legislature is trying to give him.

Brown wants a legacy in the bullet train and the new aqueducts, not being know as the Gov that got beat-up on guns.

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Weird, who could have predicted the NRA would hang California gun owners out to dry yet again?

Brown will sign them all and let it get worked out in the courts.
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I foresee CA losing it’s super Dem majority next voting cycle over this if all these bills get passed. I’m pretty sure all the CA politicians have their eyes on Colorado to see what happens with the recall efforts. Only the big metro cities are mostly blue but overall there is a lot of red in this state that will take action if their rights are threatened. So we will see... maybe it is just wishfull thinking on my part but we will see how it plays out.
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I agree with traperxyz on the bills with taking without compensation - the state and the embarassment the legislature would suffer and could not stand having to payout to gunowners a reasonable value of the taken 'article' bottomline Brown will not waste his money on those.

The certification will pass, the other one NEEDS to address restoration in order to be signed.

And finally, brown is a smart politician going along with the anti's will not make his legacy, there is an equal opportunity that if he did sign all of them he knows they will be tied up in court for years so again no legacy.

Additionally Brown is seeing the blowback in the other states that were quick to act and the citizens have responded - Dems should have listen better to Willyboy (Bill Clinton) he gave due respect to the gun community and the NRA. Obama bet his hand they he could beat them, his boots soiled his house and then all the past shenanigans 'broke'. Obama's legacy is s***. Brown will not get close too the mess the legislature is trying to give him.

Brown wants a legacy in the bullet train and the new aqueducts, not being know as the Gov that got beat-up on guns.
HIS MONEY? when did Brown started to issue his own currency?

most of CA electorate either don't care, don't know or support him, so there's little to no risk for him and his legacy...
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HIS MONEY? when did Brown started to issue his own currency?

most of CA electorate either don't care, don't know or support him, so there's little to no risk for him and his legacy...
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Considering SB47 and SB347 invariably go after the same class of guns with 347 being all encompassing, I can see one of the two going through. If I were to guess, 347 gets vetoed with 47 going through and all the antis get their "compromise" without actually having to compromise with anyone. At least that is the thought in my head
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Weird, who could have predicted the NRA would hang California gun owners out to dry yet again?...
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I think there will be quite a few veto's. Those that are not are clearly taking by the government without due process.





My predictions:

47 dies Its a Yee thang. If passes, Yee will be responsible for putting hundreds of thousands of AW's on the streets too.

53 dies at the hands of the Governor. (been there done that Kevin)

374 dies at the hands of the Governor. Or is met with an injunction via NRA

396 dies at the hands of the Governor. Pure and simple, illegal taking.

567 toss up

683 May withstand scrutiny

755 May withstand scrutiny



My prediction: Even if Brown vetoes, it doesn't matter. Democrats have a supermajority in BOTH houses. They can override any veto.
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Old 05-30-2013, 7:09 AM
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I'd be in favor of 683 if passing their lame tests allowed me to have a carry license, but that will never happen.

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Very sad how there is so little debate in California media on this. For the most part it is either silent, or tacitly endorsing them. Highly frustrating the lack of critical thinking on civil rights, that people are so willing to put blindfolds on and just jump into the abyss.
You're kidding, right?
I work in the media, and aside from the small percentage of conservatives or people who actually work for a firearms magazine or the Sportsman Channel, they are a very hard left gang of fools...
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Old 05-30-2013, 7:23 AM
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My prediction: Even if Brown vetoes, it doesn't matter. Democrats have a supermajority in BOTH houses. They can override any veto.
No they don't. they lost that recently.
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Old 05-30-2013, 7:35 AM
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Whatever happened to that bill that taxes each cartridge component 5 cents??? That POS bill basically doubles the price of any 22LR round....
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Old 05-30-2013, 7:45 AM
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Some of you who think you are being "realistic" are ver negative and shortsighted. These bills are written by people who don't care about our civil rights at all and are completely ridiculous. While some or even most may pass, they'll have their day in court and I truly believe will be shot down. Especially the ones that re-classify our semi-auto rifles into AW's and don't allow us to transfer our guns to our children. That affects way to many people to stand up in court.
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No they don't. they lost that recently.
When? I see in the Senate, they still have the supermajority as of 5/22.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...NEWS/130529955
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When? I see in the Senate, they still have the supermajority as of 5/22.

http://www.recordnet.com/apps/pbcs.d...NEWS/130529955
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State assembly
Party As of May 2013
Democratic Party 54
Republican Party 25
Vacancy 1
Total 80

68%

State senate
Party As of May 2013
Democratic Party 27
Republican Party 11
Vacancy 2
Total 40

71%
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