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Old 05-20-2013, 7:36 AM
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I haven't figured out why people buy $50+ muzzle brakes for their ARs. If recoil is too much for someone with a .223 then you have bigger issues. Flash suppression? For what? Don't want to blind the coyotes or your range mates?

If just for looks, then I can understand the appeal.
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The expensive muzzle brakes are often geared more towards competition shooters. The difference is more on muzzle raise then "recoil". It makes a big difference in follow up shots.
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They're for 3 gun.
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The expensive muzzle brakes are often geared more towards competition shooters. The difference is more on muzzle raise then "recoil". It makes a big difference in follow up shots.
I can certainly understand the need in a competition environment but for the novice shooter? Not so much.
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Because a lot of people claim they are faster and more accurate in their follow up shots at the gun sports (3-gun and maybe other stuff) as well as at tactical classes.

Some people just want a muzzle break that looks like it could be used in place of a bayonet.

Other people don't care and just want to protect the muzzle crown.

Still other people have short barrels and require a muzzle device that is pinned and welded to be legal.
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Helps to keep the target within the field of view of a scope for long range shooting. A decent muzzle brake also allows for much faster follow up shots for timed competitions.





And they also look pretty.
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Your post is a little confusing.

Brake: reduces recoil, INCREASES flash signature
Flash Hider: does nothing to recoil, decreased flash signature.

You can not have both. :P

I use a brake because I like hitting the same spot rapidly...

I don't use a flash hider because I don't generally shoot at night, and I'm not in theatre.
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It keeps people from shooting next to me. Win.
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Your post is a little confusing.

Brake: reduces recoil, INCREASES flash signature
Flash Hider: does nothing to recoil, decreased flash signature.

You can not have both. :P

I use a brake because I like hitting the same spot rapidly...

I don't use a flash hider because I don't generally shoot at night, and I'm not in theatre.
Sorry for the confusion. I understand that muzzle brake and flash suppression are two different things and there are solutions for both. But note that there are combos that one can buy that offer both brake and flash suppression in one component. The point is that outside of competitive shooting or combat conditions, it's really not a major necessity.

As a former Marine and having been a qualified rifle expert and having fired thousands of rounds in combat with a milspec M4, I can say that it mattered little but civilians love to dress up their rifles more likely to make them look more menacing rather than offer functionality. With that, I probably answered my own question.
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Helps to keep the target within the field of view of a scope for long range shooting. A decent muzzle brake also allows for much faster follow up shots for timed competitions.





And they also look pretty.
The use of a loop sling with good shooting position will solve that little problem.
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The use of a loop sling with good shooting position will solve that little problem.
Depending on the competition, slings aren't always allowed.
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Depending on the competition, slings aren't always allowed.
I know. Again, I'm talking about outside of competition or combat.
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Your post is a little confusing.

Brake: reduces recoil, INCREASES flash signature
Flash Hider: does nothing to recoil, decreased flash signature.

You can not have both. :P

I use a brake because I like hitting the same spot rapidly...

I don't use a flash hider because I don't generally shoot at night, and I'm not in theatre.
Excellent response. That's what I'm looking at now.
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Excellent response. That's what I'm looking at now.
There are muzzle brake/flash suppression combos on the market. I can't attest to how affective they are but they exist.
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It keeps people from shooting next to me. Win.
Hahahahaha keeps the brass stealers away, right?
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I don't pay for other people's muzzle devices so IDGAF what they use.
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It's so the zombies don't see the flash when yoy shoot them
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As a former Marine and having been a qualified rifle expert and having fired thousands of rounds in combat with a milspec M4, I can say that it mattered little but civilians love to dress up their rifles more likely to make them look more menacing rather than offer functionality.
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Thank you for your service. No offense, why do you care what people spend their money on. It's there money. If you think about you could apply that same theory to everything.

Do you most people need a 5.0 or 6.2 liter V8. No they don't. Most cars are just fine with 2.0 liter 4 cylinder. If you have the money and want to do stuff to you gun, I say knock yourself out.

However, I do see situations even hear on Calguns where guy spends a lot of money on adding things to a particular gun and then turn around a sell it with very little rounds down range. I think that's a waste of money. Ex. currently for sale on this very site is an M&P that someone sent to ATEI and probably an additional $1,000 worth of work done on the M&P. Now it's on Calguns for sale.

Again, it's there money.

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...dress up their rifles more likely to make them look more menacing rather than offer functionality...
thats a good enough reason since looks scare Feinstein and Bloomberg
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Meh, shoot an A2 birdcage and then shoot a JP brake, and you WILL feel the difference. I was really surprised at how much of a difference it made. I also had the whole LMOS setup for the BCG and it made a huge difference combined with the adjustable gas system.
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Thank you for your service. No offense, why do you care what people spend their money on. It's there money. If you think about you could apply that same theory to everything.

Do you most people need a 5.0 or 6.2 liter V8. No they don't. Most cars are just fine with 2.0 liter 4 cylinder. If you have the money and want to do stuff to you gun, I say knock yourself out.

However, I do see situations even hear on Calguns where guy spends a lot of money on adding things to a particular gun and then turn around a sell it with very little rounds down range. I think that's a waste of money. Ex. currently for sale on this very site is an M&P that someone sent to ATEI and probably an additional $1,000 worth of work done on the M&P. Now it's on Calguns for sale.

Again, it's there money.
You're correct. It IS their money and I understand that building a badass rifle is a hobby for many. If not a rifle, then it would be something else, right? We all have to have things for our wives to ***** about....
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TAgain, it's there money.
'Their money'
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thats a good enough reason since looks scare Feinstein and Bloomberg
If we just painted our rifles pink, then they'd be legal.
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Good one. It wasn't an attempt at self promotion and I'm no badass, but I do know how to put a round downrange once in while.
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Ok. Here is my way of looking at it


1. Some guys are like yourself, former service, and want something similar to what they used in the military. Call it nostalgia, call it familiarity, call it whatever you want.

2. Some guys just use whatever came on the damn gun. A very, very large chunk of AR uppers come with a2 or similar hiders already installed. Many AKs come with slant brakes, 74 style brakes, AMD brakes, etc etc.

3. Some guys like to shoot fast, little groups, so a brake works well for them.

4. Some guys buy rifles for home defense/shtf/whatever. They find benefit for having a flash hider.

5. Some people like to spend money.


In all, who cares. their money, their choice.
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If you buy an aftermarket brake that's "eye candy," you did something really wrong.
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it's really not a major necessity.
Sounds like what the politicians have been saying about civilians owning AR's in general.

Just busting your balls...

Nevertheless, aside from a designated use its however the owner feels best about their set up, whether their a comp shooters, military, benchrest, etc. Who cares?

Different story when someone tries to push A or B as being the ULTIMATE SUPERIOR MUZZLE DEVICE.

Me, I love my AAC Flashiders to accommodate my Inert Suppressor (Mall ninja stuff) and I like the Triple Tap (Mall Ninja) but it completes my KAC Upper.
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It was either Shooting Times or G & A that did a test on brakes, flash hiders and compensators in the last 6 or so months. Some were effective but many were not. More of the Bad a** looking ones for entry situations etc were all show, little go. But they do look wicked.

There is a muzzle device you can buy that will give you a big muzzle flash on purpose. I think it is for one of those nights in the country when after a few too many drinks someone thinks it would be fun to go night shooting.
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There are muzzle brake/flash suppression combos on the market. I can't attest to how affective they are but they exist.
The combos are not effective.

If it's built to be a brake, physics will not allow it to suppress the flash.

I've got one that starts off as a brake, then has the vortex flash hider thing in front of it... while there is no flash in "front" of the rifle... there's a huge flash that comes out of the brake.

Then theres the Battlecomp, and while they tout it as the best of both worlds... it's actually the opposite. The flash signature is big, not full on brake big, but it's big... it's louder... and it doesn't do a great job as a brake.

So bottom line, it's either a flash hider or a brake.... or if you live in a free state, a brake with a can.
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Your post is a little confusing.

Brake: reduces recoil, INCREASES flash signature
Flash Hider: does nothing to recoil, decreased flash signature.

You can not have both. :P

I use a brake because I like hitting the same spot rapidly...

I don't use a flash hider because I don't generally shoot at night, and I'm not in theatre.
I too wanna thank the OP for his service. But just like Dave, i also use a brake. Surefire mb556k to be exact. I'm a firm believer in buying the proper equipment for the application you choose to put it towards. I use a brake because i want the gun to stay as flat as possible so i can throw mulitple rounds at muliplte targets extremely fast and accurate with the drills I like to run. THIS IS JUST WHAT I LIKE But if the time ever comes, (FOR THE RECORD; IM NO PROFESSIONAL DOOR KICKER) but translate this equipment and these techniques over into the real world, that means putting down more bad guys down range.
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I too wanna thank the OP for his service. But just like Dave, i also use a brake. Surefire mb556k to be exact. I'm a firm believer in buying the proper equipment for the application you choose to put it towards. I use a brake because i want the gun to stay as flat as possible so i can throw mulitple rounds at muliplte targets extremely fast and accurate with the drills I like to run. THIS IS JUST WHAT I LIKE But if the time ever comes, (FOR THE RECORD; IM NO PROFESSIONAL DOOR KICKER) but translate this equipment and these techniques over into the real world, that means putting down more bad guys down range.
Fair enough. That being said, which one do you recommend?
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It keeps people from shooting next to me. Win.
THIS!

Also Barrels under 16" are no fun in PRK, so I had mine pinned
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Observation about the idiocy of our dear leaders that I realized while reading this thread.

Ban flash hiders that literally do almost nothing to actually hide the muzzle flash and be perfectly okay with muzzle breaks that make it easier to perform quick follow up shots with a high powered (I'm talking about 308 in this case) semi-automatic rifle.

As for why I like flash hiders... because they scare Progressive Liberals. Also, because that's what I'm used to from my brief experience in the Army, not to mention they're a dime a dozen and cost just about as much. And just for good measure, I like them because there are people out there who think I shouldn't have them.
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I haven't figured out why people buy $50+ muzzle brakes for their ARs. If recoil is too much for someone with a .223 then you have bigger issues. Flash suppression? For what? Don't want to blind the coyotes or your range mates?

If just for looks, then I can understand the appeal.
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Observation about the idiocy of our dear leaders that I realized while reading this thread.

Ban flash hiders that literally do almost nothing to actually hide the muzzle flash and be perfectly okay with muzzle breaks that make it easier to perform quick follow up shots with a high powered (I'm talking about 308 in this case) semi-automatic rifle.

As for why I like flash hiders... because they scare Progressive Liberals. Also, because that's what I'm used to from my brief experience in the Army, not to mention they're a dime a dozen and cost just about as much. And just for good measure, I like them because there are people out there who think I shouldn't have them.
Well, they ARE scary looking.
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Fair enough. That being said, which one do you recommend?
Surefire usually gets my money.
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Surefire usually gets my money.
For muzzle brake. I don't care about flash suppression.
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