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Old 05-19-2013, 8:14 PM
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Stupid question but does anyone foresee in the near future, due to Obama signing the UN arms treaty BS (I dont want to get into the pro's and cons' argument), does anyone foresee in the near future AK-47 ammo being hard to come by? Are there many American 7.62x39 ammo manufacturers? And UN arms treaty aside, would 7.62x39 be hard to find, lets say, compared to 5.56 or .223?

I have a friend who is thinking about trading an AR15 and some ammo for an AK47.
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I don't see it happening. So many AKs out there that somebody would fill the demand even if it did happen
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there are domestic producers for the 7.62x39 round, Winchester and Hornady come to mind. it's hard to tell if ammo will be severely impacted, best option may be to stock up on it now. it's still relatively cheap compared to 5.56/.223

AKs are also made in 223 and 308.
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Thanks for the responses...I told him how cheap AK's were about a year or two ago. Wish he would have bought then but what can you do?

I think he has multiple AR's so he is definitely looking for the traditional "AK47". But if he only has one AR, I wonder if it would be worth the trade? Maybe he should just buy one? Either way, its Better to have both

Yeah Im going to tell him to do this now before its too late. Either pull the trigger or dont.
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it's better to have both or multiples of each. A good entry level choice is the WASR 10/63, but prices have steadily increased. All AKs function the same, there is no one that is "better" than the other, just personal preference of the end user.
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Look at it this way... When cities like Boston get put under martial law or schools get put on prison style lockdowns, or when a veteran investigates a strange noise in his home when America's paramilitary forces that were formally known as peace officers respond to so much as a kitten stuck in a tree, they're decked out with AR-15's and a ton of 5.56.

Now, I don't know about you, but I see all that as a bunch of free rifles and ammo not chambered in 7.62x39.
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it's better to have both or multiples of each. A good entry level choice is the WASR 10/63, but prices have steadily increased. All AKs function the same, there is no one that is "better" than the other, just personal preference of the end user.
I don't know about that. Aren't WASR's initially single stack and were modified by Century Arms to accept double stack mags by dremeling out the mag well. They don't have the mag retention dimples which gives a seated mag more lateral movement. Canted sights and gas tubes are common with these rifles. I'd rather have a converted Saiga IZ-332, Norinco, Vepr, or SAM7r.

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well, the key words were "entry-level." earlier versions of the WASR had everything you mentioned, QC on later models seems to have improved.
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Look at it this way... When cities like Boston get put under martial law or schools get put on prison style lockdowns, or when a veteran investigates a strange noise in his home when America's paramilitary forces that were formally known as peace officers respond to so much as a kitten stuck in a tree, they're decked out with AR-15's and a ton of 5.56.

Now, I don't know about you, but I see all that as a bunch of free rifles and ammo not chambered in 7.62x39.
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I don't know about that. Aren't WASR's initially single stack and were modified by Century Arms to accept double stack mags by dremeling out the mag well. They don't have the mag retention dimples which gives a seated mag more lateral movement. Canted sights and gas tubes are common with these rifles. I'd rather have a converted Saiga IZ-332, Norinco, Vepr, or SAM7r.
1st part is correct.
Mag dimples arent there for lateral movement, which is a none issue anyways.
(fun fact, the original AKs dont have dimples - quote me on this paper pimp and pretend you knew it already)

Canted parts are RARELY a functional issue but rather a cosmetic one.

WASR is probably one of the ugliest AKs out there, sadly its also arguably the closest you can get to a factory combloc rifle (that isnt in some neutered sporting configuration). Functionally, its as good as anything else true to what is crucial to an AK.

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There are numerous ways we could see imported ammo go bye bye. Take a look not too far back as to what happened to the Chinese x39 ammo out there. But as mentioned the caliber has become fairly popular domestically. Worst case scenario is you get stuck with the much more expensive domestically produced ammo, which I will be the first to admit kills a lot of the appeal of x39

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Look at it this way... When cities like Boston get put under martial law or schools get put on prison style lockdowns, or when a veteran investigates a strange noise in his home when America's paramilitary forces that were formally known as peace officers respond to so much as a kitten stuck in a tree, they're decked out with AR-15's and a ton of 5.56.

Now, I don't know about you, but I see all that as a bunch of free rifles and ammo not chambered in 7.62x39.
Cool, now I have both. (well.. I already do but thats not the point)
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Canted parts are RARELY a functional issue but rather a cosmetic one.

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Wrong. canted parts like sights are a functional issue--you can't shoot accurately if your sights are off.
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MrPink, I'm right with you buddy. I have 5 AKs and a Russian SKS (including a milled AK, yay!) as well as an AR. woo hoo!
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Canted parts are RARELY a functional issue but rather a cosmetic one.

Wrong. canted parts like sights are a functional issue--you can't shoot accurately if your sights are off.[/QUOTE]

well get ready to S your pants, and maybe if you actually ever shot an AK (or any firearm for that matter) you would know that AKs have fully adjustable sights! Turns out those crazy Russians thought of everything back in the mid 40s!

If POA =s POI, guess what? The amount of canting required to throw off POI from POA is rather immense, even for a WASR.
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not if the cant is severe (which some WASRs and IOs had). if it is, then a wrench and a vise would come handy.

just like education comes in handy
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MrPink, I'm right with you buddy. I have 5 AKs and a Russian SKS (including a milled AK, yay!) as well as an AR. woo hoo!
I see you have added another one since... yesterday less then 10 hours ago?

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... I have 4 stamped AKs as well including a preban Egyptian. ...
Including means included in that number, it does not mean plus. You claim to be a professional writer you should know better...

So which one is it?
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I missed a comma in there.
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I missed a comma in there.
I know its hard to keep track of the huge arsenal you must have being such an AK expert but which is it? 4 or 5?
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it doesn't matter
Sure it does.
You have been dispensing advice all over this web site like you are Mikhail's right hand man.
But overnight the number of AK's you own grows, despite being in a state with a 10 day waiting period.
You also claim to own a "preban Egyptian" (AK) but previously claimed less than two months ago "I have a few old bolt action rifles and a shotgun, nothing major"
What model "preban Egyptian" do you own?

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nothing is amiss. my advice is just opinion based on observation and experience, you can take it or ignore it.

the number of AKs grows? lol. because I missed a comma?

nothing is amiss, I'm just a gun enthusiast like anyone else on here.
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nothing is amiss. my advice is just opinion based on observation and experience, you can take it or ignore it.

the number of AKs grows? lol. because I missed a comma?

nothing is amiss, I'm just a gun enthusiast like anyone else on here.
Again which is it? 4 or 5?
And what model "preban Egyptian" do you own and when did you acquire it?
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Unlocked the pre ban Egyptian AK in CoD?
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Unlocked the pre ban Egyptian AK in CoD?
What is CoD? I've had to sell 5 AK's and it kills me everytime. I've built 100's of AK's and Saiga conversions and I don't claim to be an expert.

As for Obama signing the UN treaty, I see him doing it. He would need the Senate to agree as well. Who's in charge of the Senate... Buy,it cheap and stack it deep.
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Sure it does, what is this pre ban Egyptian AK you speak of?
Hint, it should have paperwork.
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I've been shooting my WASR out of the box with zero sight adjustment as I'm a bad AK owner and have been too cheap to buy the sight tool I want - the AKMFST.

I read all of the scary stuff about canted sights and the like before I bought it. I get no mag wobble with Tapco or steel surplus mags. And my unadjusted sights are windage correct which is where the can't problem would manifest. All I need is a couple cranks up on the front sight post and I'll be right on at 100 yards.

All of that being said, with the insane prices right now, I might just spring for an Arsenal if I was in the market. I got my $500 WASR at Turners right before the panic and even that price hurt.
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OP, if we had a discussion on the UN treaty on this site it would all be con.

Once I decided to buy an AK I started stocking up on ammo, it took 3.5 months to get it so I was able to gather a few rounds while I waited. I've seen AK ammo vary in price lately from about .35 to .28 a round. Brands that I have bought were Wolf, Tulammo, Golden Tiger and Hornady. The Hornady was the upper end ammo and it was well above .35/rnd and it had A-Max bullets. JHP and FMJ are all available.

Atlantic Firearms has a very nice selection of AKs in stock. Many countries and types of AKs are in stock. You should be able to find what you need or want.
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Can there be a unilateral treaty on the innerwebz to ban the canted sight issue from any WASR thread? The sights are adjustable for a reason. I personally have never seen a sight or gas tube issue on a WASR, that doesn't mean it's not out there.

Pimp, here's a clue, one of the " pre ban egyptian AK's" rhymes with Maddy.
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paperwork is in the safe and goes with the rifle every time it leaves the house. if post pix, but I'm on my phone and don't know how to do that from an iPhone.
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Look at it this way... When cities like Boston get put under martial law or schools get put on prison style lockdowns, or when a veteran investigates a strange noise in his home when America's paramilitary forces that were formally known as peace officers respond to so much as a kitten stuck in a tree, they're decked out with AR-15's and a ton of 5.56.

Now, I don't know about you, but I see all that as a bunch of free rifles and ammo not chambered in 7.62x39.

Which is a good reason why everyone should have a black rifle that shoots 5.56.
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That was my point.
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762, no big deal, PMC,REM and FED all make it but not cheap.

5.45 on the other hand, well hornady is the only company that makes it domestically. heavy import restrictions in the future wouldnt surprise me.
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What is CoD? I've had to sell 5 AK's and it kills me everytime. I've built 100's of AK's and Saiga conversions and I don't claim to be an expert.
CoD = Call of Duty

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OP - I saw this from a while back when everyone was talking about Exec. Orders. I figured the first to go would be the imported x39, especially the non-magnetic Yugo/Serbian stuff. I had put a priority on that just before the panic. Even then, that stuff was starting to dry up.

The price on domestic x39 is worse than 5.56/.223 at today's prices. If I were you I would put priority on acquiring as much x39 as possible. Despite the ammo shortages, 5.56/.223 and .308 will bounce back to pre-panic stock levels. However, all the cheap imported x39 can go away overnight with just one signature.
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