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Basically tube vs. holo sight. What is your deciding factor. I know Holo have better field of view.. but i keep going back to traditional RDS.

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If you are talking FOV with RDS units… you aren’t using them correctly…

My deciding factor is size and weight… which is why I often default to an Aimpoint micro.

Both brands make quality units, both have their own pros and cons, but for me it has nothing to do with tube vs holo…
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FOV isn't an issue if you're using them correctly. Keep both eyes open.

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This. I've used both and prefer my Aimpoint by far. EO Tech battery life is what ultimately killed it for me. I keep my aimpoint on 24/7/365 and never had to replace the battery (over 2 years now). EO Tech would literally be dead if left on over night.

Also, I prefer the plain dot of the aimpoint but that is personal preference.
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This. I've used both and prefer my Aimpoint by far. EO Tech battery life is what ultimately killed it for me. I keep my aimpoint on 24/7/365 and never had to replace the battery (over 2 years now). EO Tech would literally be dead if left on over night.

Also, I prefer the plain dot of the aimpoint but that is personal preference.
I believe newer models of Eotech's have an auto-off feature.
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I believe newer models of Eotech's have an auto-off feature.
They do. Power on with up button = 8 hour shutoff. Down button = 4 hour shutoff. I bought a 517 in January and have played with it a bunch, it's still on the batteries it shipped with. I'm using an Aimpoint CompM4 now though and decided to sell the EOTech.

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This. I've used both and prefer my Aimpoint by far. EO Tech battery life is what ultimately killed it for me. I keep my aimpoint on 24/7/365 and never had to replace the battery (over 2 years now). EO Tech would literally be dead if left on over night.

Also, I prefer the plain dot of the aimpoint but that is personal preference.
Umm, dead? That's the auto shut-off. It's supposed to do that. Sure they don't have the 30,000 hour battery life of an aimpoint, but they do last a pretty long time.
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My bad, didn't know the newer models had the auto shutoff. I had one before this. Even then, I'd rather not have to turn it on before being able to use it. I'd rather have all of my gear 100% ready to go at any time.

Also, not sure if battery life got longer on the newer ones, but even with an 8 hour auto shutoff that would've drained a huge portion of the battery in the one I had. Like I said though, newer models may be different. I still vote for the Aimpoint though.

You could also search this topic on google or even this forum and find endless amounts of opinions on EO Tech vs Aimpoint...
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Depending on the model, eotech battery life is somewhere between 600-1000 hours depending model and type of batteries you're using. That's plenty for most situations, and it's not as if they take some complicated or lengthy procedure to turn on.
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I looked at both and the AimPoint Pro offered the best balance of features for target shooting and hunting out to 200 yards since I wear glasses. If I were a LEO or Mall Ninja I’d probably gone with an EoTech for closer in work. Having spent three years in Afghanistan I can also attest to the durability of the AimPoints that our soldiers used. There were plenty of EoTechs around too but mostly with the Special Forces types.
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I tried the micro and didn't like the small field of view... said screw it and bought a pro...LOVE IT! I don't feel like my field of view is restricted anymore... great sight.
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The venerable James Yeager recommends Aimpoint and claims that Eotech's sucks because they break.
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The venerable James Yeager recommends Aimpoint and claims that Eotech's sucks because they break.
The guy who got in trouble with his gun permit for running his mouth?
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what about trijicon? same price and no batteries
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I have an Aimpoint and 2 Eotechs. I like them both. The oft mentioned 3 year battery life of the Aimpoint is great, but not a big deal unless you are deployed downrange. I think most Eotech owners carry spare batteries.

The Eotech, for me, is better for snap shooting and the Aimpoint is better for slow, deliberate aimed fire.

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eotech for me. I like the 65/1 reticule
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thanks for throwing that into the mix.
I have two RX01, on an A2 carry handle (MOA dot) and also another changed to picatinny riser (triangle). Absolutely love them for speed challenge on steel plates.

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Have 2 nikon monarch red dots (tube), a vortex razor red dot (holo) and had a trashco accudot (tube)

Starting out, you quickly get used to either, but with both available, I quickly started preferring the holo style.

The nikon are variable dot size, and variable brightness which is nice!!!!!

The vortex razor is a 3 moa dot which is a good size. Big enough/bright enough for daytime, and small enough for accuracy. Brightness adjustable, auto off.

Nikon 1 year? warranty? Vortex lifetime warranty even on red dots and electronic devices...

Nikon $230 ish
vortex razor $480

The nikons are fine. They work well with great features. The vortex is amazing. It's direct competitor is an RMR. Then consider the warranty on the razor, and the warranty on the RMR....

I do prefer the holo style though. It's quicker to aquire, and just seems more natural to me. But thats really a personal preference.
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Eotech for me....prefer the view, prefer the look. I have another tube-style red dot on another firearm and wanted something different. Battery not an issue for me. Hell, if a guy was inside my house I wouldn't need a red dot "ON" to take a stance (don't worry, no family here )
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There is a simple solution for this... get an Eotech XPS, and then mount an Aimpoint T1 on top of it.
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voted holo b/c i prefer them more often, but it depends on what platform its on for me mostly. ak = rds, ar = holo, other platforms vary. if they could fit holo in say a t1 or h1, i'd probably use holo exclusively, but the small package would probably defeat the whole point of going holo anyways where you don't have to line up exactly to see the reticle/dot. from my limited experience, im a tiny bit faster with holo b/c of the larger viewing area (not limited field of view, but getting the optic lined up properly for a shot in something other than a static position)

other than that, the only reason i like holo (eotech in this case) a little bit more is b/c i find it easier to see/use quickly for a close quarter optic while still being able to utilize the small dot for an occasional longer range shot. i prefer magnified optics for longer ranges and can work with a little extra magnification a little easier than i can w/o enough magnification at longer ranges, especially if its something like an acog.

battery life is largely moot for me b/c i probably don't shoot enough to where i need to worry about the battery dying before i perform regular maintenance and check them. do like how a rds can be lighter though and how aimpoint in particular is that much more durable than an eotech - both in the physical structure and internals. i would check an eotech on top of say an ak gas tube every so often whereas i wouldn't worry about an aimpoint.

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Army Ranger buddy of mine carried an EOTECH through two tours of Iraq and two tours of Afghanistan. They are all he uses. That being said, I am more of an Aimpoint guy. Had a bad experience with a 512, but would love to play with an XPS.

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It depends. For close work and fast acquisition I prefer Eotech. For distance within 100 to 200 and for the long haul Aimpoint. More distance a scope.
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Aimpoints are usually lighter, and have amazing battery life.

EOTechs seem faster to me to shoot with, and don't give you the looking-through-a-tube feeling.

I suppose if I had two GOOD eyes and kept both of them open, the tube may disappear? I couldn't tell you, functionally blind on the left since birth.

I like to mount the EOTech close to the rear, gives a huge field of view and the reticle looks like it's 50 feet ahead of you.

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Recently saw something with EAG Tactical and Pat Rogers was shooting a students AR and the Eotech failed. He basically called Eotechs turds. He made it seems like it was not unusual for Eotechs to fail. Get an Aimpoint.

I've got 2 and never had a problem.
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Aimpoints are usually lighter, and have amazing battery life.

EOTechs seem faster to me to shoot with, and don't give you the looking-through-a-tube feeling.

I suppose if I had two GOOD eyes and kept both of them open, the tube may disappear? I couldn't tell you, functionally blind on the left since birth.

I like to mount the EOTech close to the rear, gives a huge field of view and the reticle looks like it's 50 feet ahead of you.

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You really don't notice the tube with both eyes.
I'll take your word for it

It's what I figured. I still remember some gun show guy trying to sell me a solid black with red LED Russian sight you were supposed to use with both eyes open. I said, WTF it's PITCH BLACK?!? haha

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That's an occluded optic, been arround forever. US forces used em as far back as Vietnam.!
Armson still makes them. Cheap and very reliable.
Certain models can only be used in daylight though.
But yeah, if you only have one functional eye it wont do you much good
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I have a EXPS3 and a G33. Great for quick shots on the AR and longer distance with the G33.
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Not even a comparison. Aimpoint is way better cuz I have 2. Lol. Seriously they're way more sleek and slim than a big clunky eotech which is what I had b4 my Aimpoints. Teach yourself to shoot both eyes open and the whole tube vs holo arguments become alot less valid. Also battery life on a t1 is 50,000 hrs so I mean come on.....
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I would not mount the sight at the rear, that will be the slowest to pick up in your field of view. The farther forward the better. There's a reason you see them mounted towards the front of the receiver on most peoples rifles. Heck, I've even seen some people put them out on the handguard a little ways. Just don't bridge the gap.
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I would not mount the sight at the rear, that will be the slowest to pick up in your field of view. The farther forward the better. There's a reason you see them mounted towards the front of the receiver on most peoples rifles. Heck, I've even seen some people put them out on the handguard a little ways. Just don't bridge the gap.
And it leaves room for a magnifier.
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I own an Eotech EXPS2-0 and an Aimpoint T-1. Both have their own pros and cons. For me, most of the pros for the Aimpoint are related to its construction (light weight, durable, long battery life) while most of the pros for Eotech are related to its actual performance (better reticle, large window, smaller MOA dot).

I much prefer the Eotech in actual use. I'm faster to acquire the reticle with its 65 MOA ring, which calls more attention to my eye. Its 1 MOA center dot is more accurate for me at 200 yards. Its large window also makes it easier to get on target in certain positions such as rollover prone when I have a less than perfect cheekweld. The Eotech would be the perfect optic for me IF it were lighter and could last 5 years of continuous use on a single battery.

If I ever buy another Aimpoint, I would get one of the 30mm versions since a larger lens will be more forgiving of improper cheek weld (very useful for training classes).
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I vote neither. Both are limited. I use my ACOG as a RDS and a magnified optic and wouldn't have it any other way. Tried the aimpoint thing... sold it after 1 use, no way no how. Had an XPS for a year, and also a aimpoint magnifier... could not compare with a simple ACOG. Take a look at them all.
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I vote neither. Both are limited. I use my ACOG as a RDS and a magnified optic and wouldn't have it any other way. Tried the aimpoint thing... sold it after 1 use, no way no how. Had an XPS for a year, and also a aimpoint magnifier... could not compare with a simple ACOG. Take a look at them all.
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Love the eotech,to bad they dont make them with the battery life of an aimpoint
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