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Old 05-11-2013, 12:20 AM
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Update on Post # 51 if anyone is interested. Thanks for all the advice I received. This site rocks!



Situation:

I currently have $1,500 and 14 firearms and feel/think/believe that I need/want more. Yes, I have the bug, no doubt, and feel stuck!

I don’t want to get the “This thread is worthless without pictures” comment so please see pictures below.


A Few Considerations:
I acquire guns to experience and enjoy them, not to make them safe queens - also not to carry
Open to saving up some more to get something costing over $1,500
Open to using towards something else other than a firearm
Open to adding a new caliber (have shot .40 S&W and 10mm) but prefer not to (better be worth it)
Not planning to sell/trade any of what I currently own
Recently eliminated the following options:
.22LR handguns – I don’t enjoy the lack of recoil
.44mag revolver and CZ97B – I feel that I can satisfy my itch by just renting one instead of owning one
Sig and RIA 1911’s
9mm or 38 Super 1911’s
.223 Rem/5.56mm AR
Open to SSE but better be worth the hassle/additional cost
Would like to try something new – preferably handguns but compelling rifles OK
My current stable

What Would Your Advice Be?

a) Get this gun: _________ because __________
b) Save some more and get this gun: _________ because ____________
c) That’s enough. Might even want to consider seeking help for that addiction
d) Get this non-firearm instead: __________ because ___________
e) Other: _________

Looking forward to your advice.


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How much instruction have you had?
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Took a private lesson once. Planning on doing a tactical lesson in a few months... Have fired close to 15k rounds total.
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You need an old C&R bolt action, like a 1903... iron sights.
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Took a private lesson once. Planning on doing a tactical lesson in a few months... Have fired close to 15k rounds total.
I'd spend money on competent training than just buying more stuff. Check out Grey Group and Alias, spend your money there. Better to be the master of 1 than just the owner of 100.
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I would say it really depends what you're into (other than 1911's, that's obvious)

If it's a semi auto pistol, I would say Beretta M9/92fs because it's a beautiful gun and not a bad shooter (but it is fairly common). Or a Sig 226/229 for some of the same reasons, I personally like the Sig 229 scorpion if you're willing to SSE I think it looks fantastic and is a good shooter

It looks like you're missing a bolt action rifle, you could go with a Remington 700 and really trick it out for doing 500 yard + shooting

If it's semi auto rifles you're into, get an AK since you don't have an AK and we may not be able to buy anything cool like that in California in the near future

If it's shotguns, I'd look at something like an Over/Under, one of "B" guns Browning/Beretta/Benelli for shooting trap/skeet
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Alternative, if you have $1500, do you need the money for something else non-gun related? Investment? Pay down any debts?

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Bolt rifle. Or a nice target pistol.
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IMHO no gun collection is complete without a bolt gun of some kind. I would say an R700 custom because good reliable rifle that you can do so much to with after market parts. Though a FN Ballista in .338 lapua would be a sexy gun to get.
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I'd spend money on competent training than just buying more stuff. Check out Grey Group and Alias, spend your money there. Better to be the master of 1 than just the owner of 100.
Thanks for the links. I will do a 1-day tactical training in August/September time frame I think. Planning to bring my G17.

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It looks like you're missing a bolt action rifle, you could go with a Remington 700 and really trick it out for doing 500 yard + shooting

If it's semi auto rifles you're into, get an AK since you don't have an AK and we may not be able to buy anything cool like that in California in the near future

If it's shotguns, I'd look at something like an Over/Under, one of "B" guns Browning/Beretta/Benelli for shooting trap/skeet
Good suggestions, thanks! I have the 20-gauge pump action for clay shooting with the wife but was curious about O/U ones, too... And bolt-action and AK are good ones to consider for sure. Good point on the AK.

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Alternative, if you have $1500, do you need the money for something else non-gun related? Investment? Pay down any debts?
I can surely use it somewhere else I just designated the funds as "gun funds" for now so wanting to get some advice. I can also invest in some stocks. Did that before for a little bit...

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You need an old C&R bolt action, like a 1903... iron sights.
Good one. I googled this and looked interesting. You meant the 30-06 right?

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Bolt rifle. Or a nice target pistol.
Thanks. Care to specify a model so I can look up?
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IMHO no gun collection is complete without a bolt gun of some kind. I would say an R700 custom because good reliable rifle that you can do so much to with after market parts. Though a FN Ballista in .338 lapua would be a sexy gun to get.
Thanks! Looking into these 2 now... Esp the Remington 700 as this has been mentioned a few times. Bolt-action seems to be a recurring theme.
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Bolt rifle for sure. For that money you could get a very accurate rifle and scope. But I'm guessing since you don't have one you don't hunt.

Honestly though get a garand. Trust me you get it and shoot it you'll understand why.

Come to think a out it. Definitely a garand.
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Bolt rifle for sure. For that money you could get a very accurate rifle and scope. But I'm guessing since you don't have one you don't hunt.

Honestly though get a garand. Trust me you get it and shoot it you'll understand why.

Come to think a out it. Definitely a garand.
No, I don't hunt... Or not yet at least. Thanks for the tip on garand.
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As others had mentioned, it doesn't seem you own any tack driving bolt actions for super long range shooting. A solid choice would be the .308 in a Remington 700 or Savage 10.

If you wanted to go exotic and try for 1000+ yard shots, I recommend looking at the .338 Lapua. There are a bunch of lower priced ones out there, but I find the Sako TRG 42 a nice middle of the road between the low and high end. The best is probably made by Accuracy International.

I am guessing with all those firearms, you probably reload - but if not, Lee Turret and Progressive presses are in stock with reasonable prices. Also a Lee Load All 2 for your shotshells if you dont already have one.
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You've got a great collection, I'd be happy with any of those. But they all look new. Try something from a few generations back.

A Garand or 1903 with iron sights will be a lot of fun, and really help your shooting skills. Shooting with a semi and scope is great, but it's very rewarding to shoot accurately with iron sights out of a gun 3x your age... Even an old Mauser.
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If you're unsure why don't you hold off, spend some money on ammo and training and master what you've got?

There'll be plenty of opportunities to buy more firearms.

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Since you already have a collection of sorts, at this point I would consider spending that $1500 (not much money really) on a superior Reloading set-up with piles of components. Focus on .45ACP and 9 for starters. Expand to other calibers (rifle) in time.

With the Politics being what they are here in Kalifornistan, I can see more and more ammo restrictions, ammo shortages and possible ammo bans, ammo taxes, ammo permits etc. It won't be long before internet sales of ammo will be banned if some of these Politicians have their way. We need to be independent of these restrictions and one way (besides stock piling) is to be able to manufacture your own ammunition.

Sure, have 14 guns in your collection but also have the ability to make 15,000 rounds of your three favorite caliber. Also, always have 10K of .22 in stock.

I recommend a Dillon machine.

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Very good points on the above. Thanks CalGunners!

Older rifles are appealing to me, too, so the specific recommendations do help. The 1903 and Garand are outstanding.

The reloading suggestions are also great. I have looked into Dillon 550 and will compare against the others above. Looked at Brianenos.com and a complete starter kit for one caliber is $1,400+. This is without components. Sounds about right? Steep?

Please keep the suggestions coming. I am learning a lot from looking up your recommendations.

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How about a hand cannon, S&W 500, or a S&W .460V, Ruger Super Red Hawk .454 Casull. These are on my wish list.
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If you're looking into a bolt gun I wouldn't overlook the savage 111 with acutrigger either.

I know I recommended the r700 but I have a savage which shoots just as well for half the price.

I love the way McMillan stocks look and they're quality pieces.

Then get a quality scope. Leopold is really good but would most likely put you over budget. There's some quality Nikon or Simmons glass too. This is a whole separate topic by itself.
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Ruger blackhawk, it is fun as hell, and well within your price range.
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Unfortunately since you want recoil, i was going to suggest "Maybe get a *****'n airgun and shoot indoors all the time and more trigger time = more fun time"









got more..but you get the idea.

But as I said..too bad that you want more recoil.
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These are all airguns? Like BB airguns? As you can probably tell, I don't know much about rifles.
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The blackhawk seems interesting with its single action only.

With regards to savage, do they come with wood stocks version? Very good price on them btw!
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The blackhawk seems interesting with its single action only.

With regards to savage, do they come with wood stocks version? Very good price on them btw!
I think there are 1 or 2 models that come with a wood stock. But there are also a ton of aftermarket wood stocks. One of the beautiful things about the savage is it is very easy to work on and a ton of aftermarket support/products/accessories. Plus with the starting price point, you can afford to modify it the way you want
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Ak-47 in 7.62
Bolt action in .308
Cz75 SP01 in 9mm (i know, i know)
Sig p229 in .40
Beretta 92fs in 9mm (yes, again).
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Thanks cc426! Trying to find out more about it now

And thanks all for the advice. Please keep them coming. I'm appreciative of the ideas and suggestions you are giving.
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leads me to believe that you could use a little more high quality training. It always makes me chuckle when I see attitudes like this. I know the shooter probably is a newer male shooter in his 20's or early 30's and is trying to prove he's macho and/or compensating for something. There are multiple reasons that competitive shooters and professional shooters use muzzle brakes, compensators, low recoil ammo, etc. to minimize recoil. But, hey, what do they know? I mean, shooting is for chest pounding, testosterone filled youngin's who need to experience as much recoil as possible to feel like a real man, right?

Anyway, $1500 would buy a nice flintlock since, you don't want a .22lr. Or, save it until a great deal comes along. Another member here recently contacted me about a 50cal rifle that was in his local shop (in two pieces). He ended up picking it up for $2000 or less after, without seeing it, I told him that I could help him flip it for at least $2500 even if the barrel was shot out! Now he owns one of the best 50BMG uppers ever made. I can't wait to see it in a few weeks to see how good of a deal he actually got. Yes, we'll put his upper on my registered lower to shoot it in CA. If you don't want to save for some future deal, at least, save your money until prices come all the way down and availability goes back up.
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Put the $1,500 down on a really good safe, if you don't have one yet.

And if you have one already, and it only fits the 14 guns, buy a bigger one.
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You need a good hunting rifle or precision bolt gun.
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These are all airguns? Like BB airguns? As you can probably tell, I don't know much about rifles.
Yea, like "BB guns", LOL. Airguns were being used as military arms back in the 1700's. In fact, one mil surplus air rifle is probably the single most important gun in the History of the USA. Do a little research on the air rifle that Lewis and Clark took on their expedition. It could drop large game with a single shot, kept different Indian tribes in check due to it's magic, etc.
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I know the shooter probably is a newer male shooter in his 20's or early 30's and is trying to prove he's macho and/or compensating for something.

...need to experience as much recoil as possible to feel like a real man, right
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Anyway, $1500 would buy a nice flintlock since, you don't want a .22lr. Or, save it until a great deal comes along. Another member here recently contacted me about a 50cal rifle that was in his local shop (in two pieces). He ended up picking it up for $2000 or less after, without seeing it, I told him that I could help him flip it for at least $2500 even if the barrel was shot out! Now he owns one of the best 50BMG uppers ever made. I can't wait to see it in a few weeks to see how good of a deal he actually got. Yes, we'll put his upper on my registered lower to shoot it in CA. If you don't want to save for some future deal, at least, save your money until prices come all the way down and availability goes back up.
Thanks for making me smile on this comment (bolded)

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You need an old C&R bolt action, like a 1903... iron sights.
Better yet, get a K31 with matching numbers and the soldier's tag.
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Put the $1,500 down on a really good safe, if you don't have one yet.

And if you have one already, and it only fits the 14 guns, buy a bigger one.
Good one! Already have a safe, but could use more room. Thanks!
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Thanks for making me smile on this comment (bolded)

And thanks for your input on the latter part of your post!
As I posted that, I figured that you would be one of the exceptions. How far off my stereotype are you? You did notice that I said "probably", didn't you? There are exceptions. I once taught a very petite 14 year old girl how to handle firearms and shoot some of mine. She loved my .44mag Redhawk and could outshoot me with it in her sleep. Also, there's something known as a "50 grin" that appears on the face of every first time 50 shooter. But, that probably has more to do with the concussion than with the recoil of the big 50s. Yea, I do shoot large calibers but, .22lrs are definitely one of my favorites. Besides, I can shoot .22lr all day without bothering the neighbors.

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Better yet, get a K31 with matching numbers and the soldier's tag.
That's a great suggestion. $1500 can still buy a couple nice K31s or a K31 and a K1911, boxer primed ammo and a complete reloading set up with money to spare. It's pretty hard to go wrong with a Swiss military rifle of any kind.
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revisit the .22lr and consider a quality handgun. consider a Ruger 10/22, as well. there will come a time that you'll appreciate both.

quality training is priceless.

if there are bills that you need to address, but your gun addiction prohibits payment of... pay them first.
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Old 05-11-2013, 11:47 AM
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I also agree with the above statement. There is a lot of competitive shooting in the .22LR in both pistol and rifles. If you get good enough, you could even join the US Shooting Team and compete in the Olympics.

I have personally been training to hopefully join their ranks. I am currently shooting a CZ 452 that gets some amazing groups. I definitely recommend atleast checking out the CZ 452 or CZ 455. The 452 is more of a great shooter out of the box, as the 455 allows for a bit of modification with their barrels being so easily swapped. The 455 can shoot almost every popular rimfire bullet with the appropriate barrel. If you aren't as interested in getting different calibers for the gun, many 455 owners are buying aftermarket barrels from names like Shilen to make their 455's drive groups that are Olympic level performance.

At a very reasonable price, you can easily get a shooter going for under $500.
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Thanks for the suggestions above. Many of which I haven't seriously considered just because of limited knowledge on them and being unavailable to rent. But seems like worth considering. And yes, I will re-visit .22LR handguns. I like the round, hence I have two rifles in that caliber.

I will take the non-firearm related inputs as well. Good ones!

Really aapreciate it CalGunners!
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I like the idea of additional training or a good reloading set up...
Otherwise I'd let the money sit in the gun fund and keep an eye out and see if anything pops up on the marketplace that strikes your fancy or something that screams deal
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Old 05-11-2013, 2:43 PM
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That's on my list too!


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