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Old 05-10-2013, 6:40 PM
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Hi all,

I have a semi-noob question. I rarely get to a range that extends out hundreds of yards, and am curious to what distance can an average person with 20/20 vision can expect to hit a silhouette target with iron sights, and a non-magnified red dot sight with a rifle?

I'm not looking for the "I'm a ninja sniper with 20/10 vision and can hit the left nut off a squirrel at 1000 yards while jumping off a truck in the dark." While I'm happy if you can, I'm looking for the "I'm a fat balding old guy with decent vision and think I can hit a silhouette target at XX yards."

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500 yards for me too...
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With proper hold and technique 500 m with a 5.56 should be obtainable if you can see the target and can dope the wind. 200 m is pretty much standard distance for NRA and garand matches with iron sights. If you can get dialed in at 200 the distance can follow
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I use 5" rings at 200 yards. I don't think 400 meters would be difficult for a silhouette, but it takes practice. Iron sights only, no dots. 500 meters? Don't know if I can see that far, I'm an old fat guy who wears glasses.

I prefer, can you hit the ocular window at 200 yards, now that's explosive
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600 yards, 30 out of 30 hits, all in 50 seconds, on a silhouette, with AR15 service rifle
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I'm a fat, balding, old guy with decent vision and I can hit the silhouette at 200 yards fairly easily. That's as far as any ranges near me go out.

And, while I am a little plump, I'm not fat, or balding. Please define old. And my hair is still naturally brown, mostly. (Hear that ladies?)

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The farthest I've shot steel is about 450 yards with a 4moa RDS and after a few Kentucky windage adjustments and going prone I was able to ring the 100% torso at will. Of course its a big target and is static and I know there are guys that can shoot the wings off a nat at those distances. For the record I'm just over 30 not fat or balding but the vision is probably not what it used to be.
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silhouette sized targets and 20/20 vision should get you out to 500 yards on a 5.56
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I'm not looking for the "I'm a ninja sniper with 20/10 vision and can hit the left nut off a squirrel at 1000 yards while jumping off a truck in the dark." While I'm happy if you can, I'm looking for the "I'm a fat balding old guy with decent vision and think I can hit a silhouette target at XX yards."

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I'm a terrible shot with irons. (Especially if I'm not using a rest or bipod of some sort.)

I think I can hit a barn-sized target at 200 yards about 50% of the time, if I take it slow and have the gun mounted with a really nice benchrest. ;-)
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I used to be able to make hits on torso sized steel at 300 yds with irons with both 20" and carbine AR's. My eyes aren't the greatest either. I have never had the oppurtunity to try them at longer ranges though so I don't know how I would do farther out.
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what are the ballistics of a LC 5.56. We zero our M16/M4s at 25m=300m so your holds are really simple. I've never really thought about the ballistics if you zeroed at 100yrds.
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With practice if you can see the target you can hit it. Aperture sights are used so that you keep the target on top of the front sight. Six o'clock hold. Some guys use center hold but I like 6. Probably the most common hold. When my eyes were better back in the day 400-500 yd shots on steel were no problem with my garand.

But it takes practice. Good iron will be as accurate as glass at distance. Not with a sniper type rifle but service rifle. Get a 10/22 and put tech sights on it. Cloverleaf a 5 shot group at 25. Those skills will translate out farther.


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You'd be surprised how easy 300 yards is. Never tried to go out further but would like to definetly try 500 yards. Pushing a 5.56mm out further in 500 yards with irons has got to be challenging. Laser eye surgery for me by the way, before I was too nearsighted to not use a scope.
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Good input - thanks everyone! 200-300 yards reasonably, 500 is possible with practice is what it sounds like - or easy if you're a Marine.

and yeah, I'm dumb, fat and happy, so I'm probably on my way to bald, old and slow too.
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Depending on you RDS dot sight. A 2moa dot at 600m is 12". With 20/20 500 m should not be a problem.
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I never tried with larger calibers, but with .22LR I can easily reach out to 100 yards with my aperture irons.
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With irons, full sized silhouette targets are no problem at 200 yards. 300 is harder, but still doable. Even with the right ammo, 400 will be tough as trajectory and wind drift come into the equation. At 500 yards, I pull out the .308.

It's a good idea to have a friend along so you can switch off and spot shots for each other. That saves a lot of money on ammo by allowing you to dope the wind better and sight in more quickly. It also allows one shooter's gun to cool down between shot strings.
A good set of binoculars helps, but a spotting scope for long range is usually best.

We've gone to using armor plate targets like those made by AR500 Targets (http://www.ar500-targets.com/). It's easy to tell when you're on target, too.

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You can go well over 500m if you're a competent shooter.
What people can do with Irons... well look up Camp Perry matches
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You can go well over 500m if you're a competent shooter.
What people can do with Irons... well look up Camp Perry matches
Yep. 600m for highpower/CMP service rifle competitors, even farther for Palma shooters.
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He never mentioned 5.56 or .223.

To the OP. It really helps to have a spotter with glass.

There are target iron open sights that specialized competitors use.

Not service rifle but the OP never said anything about a service rifle.

He doesn't say which silhouette target but presumably that's a life size Ram.
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I find this amazing, if the op is talking about .223/5.56. I seem to struggle to hit a 1/2lb jar of tannerite at 100 yards with my irons. Given I'm pretty new to shooting but hitting something at 500m with iron sight in standing position seems next to impossible for me. Is this all bench rest/bipod/sandbags?
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I find this amazing, if the op is talking about .223/5.56. I seem to struggle to hit a 1/2lb jar of tannerite at 100 yards with my irons. Given I'm pretty new to shooting but hitting something at 500m with iron sight in standing position seems next to impossible for me. Is this all bench rest/bipod/sandbags?
At 500 yards/meters one would go prone and sling up, or use a bipod or some other kind of front rest.
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I hit the skinny part of two bowling pins consecutively at 150 yards with a RDS only, but I would say around 200 yards
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I wore the BCGs, basic combat glasses. My eyes werent that bad about -2.0 to -2.5 at the time. I also shot Expert.
2 yrs ago I got lasik, now I see 20/20, i find it crazy i can read small print far away, or large print far away.
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I can hit an 18" target at 350 yards with a stock ak74 no problem. I'm sure I could hit a fat person at 500 yards with a Garand/m14/AR relatively easily.

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funny I was never issued a AR15 service rifle in the Corps. M16a2 at MCRD and m16a4 in the fleet...hmmm. suspicious. AR15 service rifle ...lol
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Retards are trained to shoot 500 yards as a basically trained Marine. I'd say that's a fair number.
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yes they get acogs. we still had irons in boot in 06. My last couple of range trips i shot with an acog on a FN m16a4. it was nice
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I still prefer my irons over an acog for target shooting. I can hit 600 no problem with m855 ball and irons. I think the acog is a great piece of gear but not teaching how to shot with iron sights anymore is pissing me off. I've broken 2 acogs and had to switch to irons in combat situations. Good thing I know how to use them.
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well a mauser has 2,000 yd adjustable sights lol, back in the day i guess they figured 2,000 was no problem. last weekend a few buddies and i were putin rounds on target with a 91/30 freestanding no rest at 300yds. 500 yds is very doable and a good marksman could hit and even farther i would think
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