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Old 05-09-2013, 3:07 PM
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Talking Update on IWI Tavor availability in California

I've sent a few emails and have come up with some newsworthy information about the availability of the IWI Tavor for California customers.

There was a rumor that IWI US would be making an OEM CA-legal variant of the Tavor. This is not true. According to an email I received from Cole Dietrich at IWI, "IWI US is not currently producing a California Compliant model, nor are there any current plans to offer a CA compliant version"

Atlantic Firearms, an official distributor for the Tavor, has sent a rifle to Raddlock for R&D. Raddlock is making both a tool-operated magazine release and a barrel extension that brings the rifle's overall length up to the California minimum of 30 inches. When their solution is available, Atlantic Firearms will begin selling CA-legal Tavors. I asked Raddlock when they expected their solution to be available and I got this reply today from Peter there:
We are working on final production design. Proto-type lock and barrel extension is working, but we are not ready to show it yet until we are finalized on design and production time. We will be showing it off in Raahauge Sports Fair May 31 ~ June 2. Hopefully production will be ready or started by then.

Please tell everyone about 2 weeks.


Yes folks, some of us may have CA-legal Tavors by next month!

If you haven't been following the IWI Tavor, the YouTube pundits Nutnfancy and Military Arms Channel have done detailed reviews of them. They are both glowing with enthusiasm for this new platform. Nutnfancy's exhaustive review is 45 minutes long. MAC has several reviews: first impressions and a longer 23 minute review, as well as a few older ones before he got his evaluation rifle. The Tavor has won over many shooters who've been underwhelmed with other bullpup designs.

MSRP is $1,999. Atlantic Firearms is selling them at $1,979 despite the demand for these being outrageous. A few other companies are also carrying them.

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nutnfancy also hyped the msar. he lost my respect after that.
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I can't wait to have enough money for one of these. I got tired of AR's. This has to be the rifle I am most excited about purchasing.

Thankyou for looking into this for us.

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nutnfancy also hyped the msar. he lost my respect after that.
I haven't seen a single negative review of the Tavor anywhere. Pick whomever you want for an analysis.
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I'd be interested in picking one up. Thanks for the heads up.
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Nice!

One of the few times where "TWO WEEKS" may actually mean 2 weeks
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Nice!

One of the few times where "TWO WEEKS" may actually mean 2 weeks
The good old days of bullet button bans.
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I want the 18in barrel and a grip wrap.. that would be freakin sweet!
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I want the 18in barrel and a grip wrap.. that would be freakin sweet!
Has anyone tried putting a grip wrap on one? I would like to know how it turned out.

Problems with mag release and grip wrap?
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Tagging this. Can't wait to hear when they're available!
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CA compliance on these is relatively new so I doubt you will get a lot of feedback on various modifications.
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The supply of Tavor rifles coming out of the factory has been SLOW we were expecting to see 200 -300 rifles by now and have probably one received 60 units . We hope they will be ramping up production and we will see bigger numbers as we get into June .




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nutnfancy also hyped the msar. he lost my respect after that.
Ok
1. Why did he lose your respect for talking about the rifle and
2. What's wrong with the rifle you have heard about?


Even Sturmgewehre did a couple of reviews on this and he and T. Haley liked it. What'd you hear?
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Screw that. I already have my Cali compliant tavor. I'll put up a pic next week.
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Screw that. I already have my Cali compliant tavor. I'll put up a pic next week.
What are you using for the mag release system and barrel extension?
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I've wanted one of these since 2006. But being in CA, I'm not holding my breath for anything any time soon.
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I've wanted one of these since 2006. But being in CA, I'm not holding my breath for anything any time soon.
You and me both. I just hope it lives up to the hype.
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I've wanted one of these since 2006. But being in CA, I'm not holding my breath for anything any time soon.
You being in CA shouldn't matter. Once the Raddlock option is available, getting one won't be much more difficult than anyone else in the US. It's just a function of how well IWI can scale to meet the demand. Thousands of people already own these bought through normal retail and many more are receiving their Tavors every day.
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You being in CA shouldn't matter. Once the Raddlock option is available, getting one won't be much more difficult than anyone else in the US. It's just a function of how well IWI can scale to meet the demand. Thousands of people already own these bought through normal retail and many more are receiving their Tavors every day.
Except of course the fact that there are not one but TWO bills which, if passed, would completely forbid you from ever getting the rifle by next year. (oh yeah, just THAT little problem)
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You being in CA shouldn't matter. Once the Raddlock option is available, getting one won't be much more difficult than anyone else in the US. It's just a function of how well IWI can scale to meet the demand. Thousands of people already own these bought through normal retail and many more are receiving their Tavors every day.
Exactly. I want one like I want a KSG-12. I'm just realistic about actually being able to.
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Except of course the fact that there are not one but TWO bills which, if passed, would completely forbid you from ever getting the rifle by next year. (oh yeah, just THAT little problem)
That and a muzzle device change to get OAL over 30" even if it doesn't.

I'm plenty aware that it's POSSIBLE to get "rare-in-CA" guns, it's just a combination of waiting, hoping, and/or a lot of money. I was in the right place right time to get a Beretta CX4 Storm carbine, which requires both a proprietary mag lock and butt pad extensions to be CA compliant. I have no doubts it's POSSIBLE, but like I said, I'm not holding my breath.

On top of all that, with ammo prices what they are, I don't even shoot my ARs much as is. This thing would eat ammo from me.
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What are you using for the mag release system and barrel extension?
Well he could have just extended the barrel and kept everything else the same AKA featureless. Only thing is the angled forward trigger guard/forearm wrest could be considered a forward grip under Cali law. It's VERY shaky ground. But you could argue that the design is not for i to be gripped. It's to act as an ENHANCED trigger guard and a point of contact for your forearm. I would get an opinion if possible from CADOJ on that, they would probably tell you it's a forward grip just because they can. Personally I refuse to purchase a neutered version of this. I'll either wait until I move out of Cali for the courts fix these insane laws.
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Well he could have just extended the barrel and kept everything else the same AKA featureless. Only thing is the angled forward trigger guard/forearm wrest could be considered a forward grip under Cali law. It's VERY shaky ground. But you could argue that the design is not for i to be gripped. It's to act as an ENHANCED trigger guard and a point of contact for your forearm. I would get an opinion if possible from CADOJ on that, they would probably tell you it's a forward grip just because they can. Personally I refuse to purchase a neutered version of this. I'll either wait until I move out of Cali for the courts fix these insane laws.
Main grip is still a pistol grip:

Penal Code section 12276.1:

(d) "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top exposed portion of the trigger while firing.

The whole idea of this rifle is completely defeated when trying to make it CA legal. Either the grip must be altered to be awkward with kydex wraps or something (which looks like it would get in the way of the mag release as well). Or you have to lock the mag, likely with something as annoying as an AK-style mag lock.

Either way, it's not worth it to me. Not the money, not the headaches, not the loss of functionality, not the waiting and hoping. I've just come to terms with not getting one unless I moved out of CA or one happens to fall in my lap (like the CX4).
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Lol @ nutnfancy has a "45 min review" That guy could make a 45 min review on a tactical number 2 pencil. Almost every review is 40 mins of rambling. Then alot of vids he says he hasn't even shot the gun, how the eff can you give s review jist by going what is written on paper about the gun lol
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Lol at nutnfancy has a "45 min review" That guy could make a 45 min review on a tactical number 2 pencil. Almost every review is 40 mins of rambling. Then says he hasn't even shot the gun....lol
In which review does he say he hasn't shot the gun? I have never heard this.

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I'm on a pre order already and was planning on taking it out of state each time to shoot. This is excellent news. Thanks for the update
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Kalifornia's 30" minimum overall length law almost kills my desire for a bullpup rifle.

I hope the barrel extension is reversible for those that move out of state. Or at least replacement barrels being not too expensive. Seems that the barrels are very easy to swap out of the Tavor, with that key turn.
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Kalifornia's 30" minimum overall length law almost kills my desire for a bullpup rifle.

I hope the barrel extension is reversible for those that move out of state. Or at least replacement barrels being not too expensive. Seems that the barrels are very easy to swap out of the Tavor, with that key turn.
as long as the barrel is 16" there is no need for permanency. just put and extended brake or fh on there and youre gtg.
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Yup, I'm a hater. 5 minutes of information in a 45 minute video? I'll pass.
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i shot one in the philippines and yes they have it there. thoughts? i give it an 8 ten being up there. it was just ok, again thats just me.
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Nice. Once IWI announced announced the civilian version I have been waiting to get my hands on one.

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Main grip is still a pistol grip:

Penal Code section 12276.1:

(d) "pistol grip that protrudes conspicuously beneath the action of the weapon" means a grip that allows for a pistol style grasp in which the web of the trigger hand (between the thumb and index finger) can be placed below the top exposed portion of the trigger while firing.

The whole idea of this rifle is completely defeated when trying to make it CA legal. Either the grip must be altered to be awkward with kydex wraps or something (which looks like it would get in the way of the mag release as well). Or you have to lock the mag, likely with something as annoying as an AK-style mag lock.

Either way, it's not worth it to me. Not the money, not the headaches, not the loss of functionality, not the waiting and hoping. I've just come to terms with not getting one unless I moved out of CA or one happens to fall in my lap (like the CX4).
Yeah, I forgot to post about my fix for that. The same way we do it for AKs. Side something on and fix it with screws that prevents your hand from wrapping around the grip. There.
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In which review does he say he hasn't shot the gun? I have never heard this.

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I have seen a few "table top" reviews where he does indicate he has not fired the firearm yet, but he always discloses this.
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In which review does he say he hasn't shot the gun? I have never heard this.

Hater?
No not a hater. I've seen a few old ones about handguns and other accessories. Then mentions he hasn't even taken it out in the field to fully test it after raving how good it is. Just sayin'

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Haven't seen the review on the Tavor yet, but in a nutshell, what makes this gun the best thing since sliced bread ? How is it different from other bullpups, eg FS2000, AUG, etc?
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as long as the barrel is 16" there is no need for permanency. just put and extended brake or fh on there and youre gtg.
I haven't read up on the minimum OAL laws in great detail. No need to permanently weld Muzzle Device with a 16+" barrel?

Can we have a 16.5" Tavor with a crazy long Muzzle device? Is that what Atlantic Firearms has planned? I'd like to be able swap it out to a standard muzzle device when I'm not in Kalifornistan.
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