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Old 11-17-2007, 6:02 PM
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Browning Buckmark series. I have a Camper with inexpensive (BSA) red dot sights mounted on a modified weaver rail. Perfect for beginners. Nothing like tight groups to make range trips fun. The pistol is around $320.00 brand new. You might do even better at your local dealer. Use premium match-grade .22LR ammo and you won't have any FTF's or FTE's. It's only a couple of bucks more than the cheap stuff. www.browning.com
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A Ruger Single Six is as reliable as your ammo.
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Ruger single six or mark III.
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Ruger Single-Six is a great trainer as accidental discharges are very hard to make happen. If a semi-auto is the preference then The Ruger MKIII or Browning Buckmark are the two by which to judge all .22 Semis.

You can't go wrong with any of the three.
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Old 11-17-2007, 6:32 PM
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Stay away from P22's. I've got one and everyone else I know has had nothing but problems with them. My Ruger MK1 though is very nice.
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Ruger Mark II/MkIII or Browning Buckmark gets my vote.

I've heard good things of the Beretta NEOs also.
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Harder to find, but a Smith Model 17 or a High Standard semi auto are tough to beat for 22s. For a semi, the HS Supermatic has an excellent trigger and I've never had any reliability problem with mine.
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The S&W 22a is a bargain of an excellent shooter. If you're open to revolvers, a 617 is excellent, and the 317 is light for beginners to handle, and small of grip for smaller shooters.

And like MedSpec65 says, use good ammo, and any .22 will be a reliable shooter. Most of the problems people have with .22s is due to cheap ammo, that either won't cycle the gun, or has unreliable primers. Premium ammo will always fire, and good velocity ammo will always cycle the slide.
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If you already have a centerfire semi-auto, a .22 conversion kit may work out well for you. I teacher new shooters with a Marvel .22 conversion on a 1911 frame. When they feel up to it, I move them to a 1911 in 9mm Luger.

Sometimes I will use a revolver to teach a new shooter. For this, I have a Smith and Wesson Model 17-2 and a Model 14-3. The 17 is a .22 rimfire. The 14 is a .38 Special. They are rimfire and centerfire counterparts. They look and function identically, except for the different calibers.

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Ruger Mk II or Mk III. You can't go wrong with either one. They're super accurate and reliable as hell.

I agree with Blue84s10 in regards to the P22. A friend of mine has one and has a lot of problems with it. It's pretty finicky when it comes to ammo.
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I'd go ruger markIII 22/45 BBL that gives them a good feel for the weight of a 9/40/45 and it's heavy so no recoil. They are accurate and you can get them in the 250-300 range.
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Stay away from P22's. I've got one and everyone else I know has had nothing but problems with them. My Ruger MK1 though is very nice.
I know p22 suck but I want one sooo bad, lol.
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+1 Ruger MKII is the way to go.
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or if you're close you could check this guy out. Taurus. (I love 'em..some dont)

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If you are teaching beginners, A revolver is the better choice. The operating
drill is much simpler, less chance of an accidental discharge. I would choose one of these 3, depending on your budget. 1. Ruger Single Six. 2. Ruger SP101 3. Smith and Wesson 617 Always use good ammunition. Avoid "Bargain
Brands" like the plague. I have been shooting for 53 years and have found out that bargain brands are no bargain in the long run. Use Remington, Winchester, Federal or CCI. Stick to copper kacketed bullets. Though more expensive than lead, they are cleaner, making cleaning the gun much easier.
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I know p22 suck but I want one sooo bad, lol.
I have one. Its fun but a pain in the *** .I use lots of CLP on it.

Edited... the way I wrote it first did not come out right.

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I learned on a single six. Which is solid, reliable, and very safe for a new shooter. I still have a special place in my heart/safe for that gun, but now I enjoy taking out my Buckmark. Both are excellent guns. I'm sure the Mark III is awesome, although I've heard re-assembly can be a bear.
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I had one of the first year P22's; absolutely no problems. after breaking it in, it would shoot any ammo and never jammed or failed to fire.

I've got the S&W 22a; it's OK. No passion.

The one that's most fun to shoot, easy to disassemble and clean, and looks cool; the Beretta Neos. I polished some trigger parts, put in a new spring....and it shoots sooooo smoothly and cleanly. The clips are too damn small. Real easy to pop the rounds out. it's reliable as hell, too.

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i've taught my daughter (she started at age 12) with the ruger mkII, and a 4-inch Taurus .22 (9shot revolver) ...she loved it. She eventually was able to hit a dangling tennis ball failrly consistently at 15-17 yds. (max. distance at the Burbank Firing Line).
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Thumbs up on the Taurus 9 shot revolvers. I have the model 94 2".
For sale by the way. Listed in the marketplace section of Calguns. Aslo linked a couple of posts ago. Good gun for training as it can be shot in single or double action.
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So, anyone have experience with the Sig Mosquito?

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I do not own one, but I have had a chance to shoot one on several occasions, and I was not impressed by the trigger at all.

I foolishly sold a S&W M617, man that was an awesome .22lr. The double action is perfect for teaching noobs to shoot. Also, it looks a little less menacing than your average semiauto to the first-timer.

Although it is not a .22lr, I just shot my FN 5.7 for the first time and I think it is going to fill the low-recoil role well for people new to shooting.
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Listed in the marketplace section of Calguns. Aslo linked a couple of posts ago. Good gun for training as it can be shot in single or double action.
Tried steering ya' some biz..... I would be ALL over yours save...I need another .22 right now like I need more taxes!!!!!!


Good luck with that sale. They are fine weapons from what I've read.
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I do not own one, but I have had a chance to shoot one on several occasions, and I was not impressed by the trigger at all.

I foolishly sold a S&W M617, man that was an awesome .22lr. The double action is perfect for teaching noobs to shoot. Also, it looks a little less menacing than your average semiauto to the first-timer.

Although it is not a .22lr, I just shot my FN 5.7 for the first time and I think it is going to fill the low-recoil role well for people new to shooting.

Hey Jeffrock....I just know you're smiling as you say that...'cause I'm the guy that has that sweet S&W M617, and you're right..it's awesome !!!
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I'm looking at getting a Ruger mark III for myself. they have a renge of models and through www.budsgunshop.com they are priced as low as $244 Delivered:http://www.budsgunshop.com/catalog/p...ducts_id/14306
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What's wrong with P22s? It's one of the few .22 pistols that actually interests me.

As for training, you could get a .22 conversion kit for a 1911 to train them on that oh-so-popular style of handgun.
Mines been to the factory three times already. Broken mainspring and it is an absolute jam-o-matic. The last time I got it back I put 3-4 mags through it without a malfunction and was thinking "sweet it works!" then I tried to put a couple more mags through it and it was nothing but jams. I've still got probably less than 1k rounds through it. It broke the first time after 400 rounds and I've MAYBE put another 200 through it since. Neat looking guns with a great feel, but I'd leave it at home if the squirrels invade.
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Mines been to the factory three times already. Broken mainspring and it is an absolute jam-o-matic. The last time I got it back I put 3-4 mags through it without a malfunction and was thinking "sweet it works!" then I tried to put a couple more mags through it and it was nothing but jams. I've still got probably less than 1k rounds through it. It broke the first time after 400 rounds and I've MAYBE put another 200 through it since. Neat looking guns with a great feel, but I'd leave it at home if the squirrels invade.
I have a P22 with the 5" barrel, love it for a cheap trip to the range. I've never had it FTE or FTF. I've probably shot about 1,500 to 2,000 rounds through it. Mainly CCI mini-mags, but I started using the Big 5 specials on Remington, a box of 525 for $10.00, no problems.
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Hey Jeffrock....I just know you're smiling as you say that...'cause I'm the guy that has that sweet S&W M617, and you're right..it's awesome !!!
LOL, I chose the wrong words. It certainly was not foolish of me, as I am thrilled with what I got in return for it.

Also, I softened the blow of trading the Python by purchasing an unfired one that I am picking up today.

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So, anyone have experience with the Sig Mosquito?

Thanks!
I have one and have been thinking of selling it. The pistol isn't designed around the round, so that makes for complications when using some low-quality rounds. With the Mosquito, you gotta use nice, high-velocity round nose ammo, else you'll get FTF and FTE's. I'd personally go with a Ruger Mark 1/2/3 or the Browning Buckmark if I were to purchase a .22 all over again.
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You may wish to look at a Ruger Bearcat as well. I shot Bill's Dad's old model and it's sweet. I need to see how the newer slightly larger Bearcat fits my hand before I decide on which model to pursue. Single-action, of course.

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Between me and my parents we have two P22 5", a mosquito and two S&W 22a's. I haven't really had all the problems with the P22s that other have had, seems to be a nice gun and certainly is the most fun of the mix. The mosquito I got was an absolute disaster. I literally had a FTF 4/10 shots, it's back at Sig right now. The 22a's are nice and 7" is an amazing tack driver. I have also shot a Ruger mark III and was very impressed. If it were me I'd go with the gun that fits the best.
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I really like my Sig Trailside. I have not had one single problem with it.

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If you can find a colt woodsman you will never regret buying it.

other than that a ruger mkI or MkII will treat you right. (I don't like the loaded chamber indicators on the later variations)

other optins that have been mentioned for semi's that I like are the High standard model 10, the s&w 41, and the browning buckmark.

I would STRONGLY advise getting a ruger single six to start out a new shooter however, It's one of the most fun firearms that I've ever shot and was interesting to use both as a new shooter and as an experianced gun owner.

As far as the P22 goes, I keep hearing horror stories about how unreliable they are.

If any of you guys has one that is a total Jam-o-matic that you'd like to get rid of cheap (or trade for some AR parts) I would like to tear one down to figure out what the problem is.
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For someone just learning to use a handgun, avoid the automatics for safety reasons. In my opinion, as with many others in this thread, a quality revolver such as the Smith & Wesson Model 617 simply can't be beat. It has adjustable sights, comes with either a six or ten round cylinder, choice of barrel lengths (I recommend the 6" bbl), is made of stainless steel, and more importantly will maintain its value over the years whereas some of the other more popular brands won't. It is also a very easy transition from Model 617 .22 rimfire to step up to a .38/.357 in a nice wheel gun like the S&W 686.
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Actually, a semi-auto is perfectly good for training new shooters. Load one, and only one, round in the magazine, insert magazine, have the shooter bear on the target, close the slide, concentrate on the fundamentals of sight picture, alignment, breathe control, and trigger press. Fire. Lock the slide open if it hasn't happend, eject the magazine and do it again.

But, yes, in general, I would reccomend a good revolver. I would prefer a double action to a Single Six since the grips tend to be a bit more comfortable for most people.
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Thanks for all the great responses.

I've been going back and forth on which model to purchase all week. I was about dead set on the Browning Buckmark for the price and reviews I've read, but I really think I changed my mind again. I think I'll spend 2x the money and get the Smith 617. I have a feeling I'll actually shoot that gun more often than if I get one of the semi-autos.

Now the hunt begins for a 4" Model 617 at a fair price.
I had my mind made up on the Buckmark too until reading all the good comments on the 617. You won't be disappointed. I've got the 10 shot 6" model and will never get rid of it. More info on the 617 at rimfirecentral.
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You won't be disappointed. I've got the 10 shot 6" model and will never get rid of it.
Well, here is one 617 disappointment: I haven't found any 10-round quick-loaders for it.

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