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Old 05-11-2013, 4:06 PM
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Thordo,

When I originally ran the group buy for the Rudius from Ares, I had some general curious concerns about product quality and fit. On behalf of the couple of hundred people that were part of my not-for profit group buy (and the copycat follow in group buy that i just didnt want to manage) 1, I took the designs from ares to a number of 1911 gunsmiths to implement any positive changes. We learned that the dimensioning from the non-gun experienced machinist was off on the jig, which I believe has been addressed, the handgrip needed work, as well as a number of other things which Ares just did not proceed with given their latest attitude and approach with their contracted machinist. The original design would have worked, but using a hacksaw with a $135 jig to hand fit a nice slide was...not congruent.

I imagine that the good people at Polymer80 have probably hired a good polymer person or two to deal with some of the concerns you voice, no to mention probably some manner to protect some of their manufacturing tradecraft. That said, I am sure that if people with your level of competence would offer to participate to help make theirs a better product, they would take recommendations to heart and find a way to show their gratitude, as grown ups and professionals often do

Remember that lowers were available not long ago for $55 before the Obama hope and change, save the children, disarm the citizens pitch. The cost of manufacturing for some of the aluminum lowers has got to have dropped to around the 30ish dollar mark. Combined with the fact that Obama's ATF is now even trying to go after 3d printing CAD files, things are reaching a fever pitch of all time stupid. The value of polymers have to bring something greater to the consumer rather than just a lower manufacturing cost, and I am sure that is there...
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pretty sure Glock tested them, before selling them,lol
Yep. The doubters were legion, both before and after testing. There's probably at least a couple million still around today.
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Old 05-11-2013, 6:21 PM
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We have thouroughly solved the shrinking issue. I cannot discuss our method as its a trade secret but it a pretty innovative way we are doing it. If you think you have a concern about warping parts, we are investin 10s of thousands of dollars on the mold. We made absolutly sure we solved that early on, and we have.

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We have thouroughly solved the shrinking issue. I cannot discuss our method as its a trade secret but it a pretty innovative way we are doing it. If you think you have a concern about warping parts, we are investin 10s of thousands of dollars on the mold. We made absolutly sure we solved that early on, and we have.

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Good luck but... I'm sorry, I'm not buying it.

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Thordo,

Just know that we are working with polymer experts and spent over a month on that issue alone. We would not be investing the kind of money we are in the molds overlooking something so elementary. Remember there is always more than one way to skin a cat.

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My concern is whether or not you will be able to hit your ship date of June 21. How positive are you that you can meet that date? What will you do if Murphy shows up and you aren't able to?
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Derekt2,

That is a valid concern consideringwhat everyone has gone through with other companies.we will always be in communication with you no matter what happens.if we don't meet our goal for the ship date its not like it will be very far behind. But what I can promise is I will be very active constantly letting everybody know what is happening minute by minute. Thanks
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Will a jig be available for FFL/SOT 07/02 folks?
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Dont see why not... we do have a distributor program so if you want to make money building guns with our lowers you can.
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I just submitted my order. The order number is # 556!

Do I win a prize? Who got order # 223?

Now the wait begins. At least by the time my order arrives, the price of accessories should be almost back to normal.
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^^^
Doh! I got #555!

On the other hand, the triple-nickel reminds me of something from one of my favorite books, so...
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just ordered two myself... if these things turn out reliable and can truly be completed with a hand drill I will be ordering more.
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I am in for a couple,
I will give it a try.
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I just submitted my order. The order number is # 556!

Do I win a prize? Who got order # 223?

Now the wait begins. At least by the time my order arrives, the price of accessories should be almost back to normal.
That is funny right there! I'll think of something for you... I have to! You are order 556!
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Test successful.

I've a thought about graphics/text on the lower. What do you say would be the preferred method?
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I've a thought about graphics/text on the lower. What do you say would be the preferred method?
We are actually getting a laser etching printer fairly soon... the major hurdle is getting the webiste functionality for it.

Soon ( not sure when) you will be able to add a lower to the cart, select the Cerakote pattern you want, or single color, and then upload your own images and text for placement on the lower before it ships. This avoids TONS of headaches trying to find a vendor who will handle the 80%ers. Now, it will all be handled by the manufacturer.. Problem Solved!
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Man if this works out, you guys will have filled a major void in the market. Really neat stuff. Props to you guys.
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We are actually getting a laser etching printer fairly soon... the major hurdle is getting the webiste functionality for it.

Soon ( not sure when) you will be able to add a lower to the cart, select the Cerakote pattern you want, or single color, and then upload your own images and text for placement on the lower before it ships. This avoids TONS of headaches trying to find a vendor who will handle the 80%ers. Now, it will all be handled by the manufacturer.. Problem Solved!
Now this ^^^ would be SWEEEEEET!!! Damn, anyway this could happen b4 the 1st batch ships out? (I know...... Wishful thinking probably?)
But this almost makes Me want to hold off until this whole Process is ready??
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Do you have an actual store where i can check it before buying it? thnx
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#441. I placed an order for myself and couple of friends. I think that it is important to support these California businesses, especially those in NorCal such as Polymer80.

As most of us in NorCal know, we don't have the gun resources that they do down South. Support our local vendors and we may get more.
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Man if this works out, you guys will have filled a major void in the market. Really neat stuff. Props to you guys.
Appreciated! We dont just want to sell 80%ers... We want to establish the absolute standard in the 80% arms industry, and it means more than just a neat product.

We will excell in the following areas:
Innovative products that are NEVER just the status quo.

Customer service. In our opinion, the 80% market has a huge problem here, we aim to fix that... With a vengence!

Transparancy, we will give regular HONEST updates as to where we are on a given product.

True integration into to firearms industry, this means partnerships and contracts that ally with large and small gun makers.

Polymer80 means to change this market to serve YOU.

I have been building and helping folks build their lowers for years, and I have always felt taken for granted as a customer and we have made a promise that the customer will ALWAYS be be the primary focus of this company.

This is what we want to build and I have to say, you guys are making it happen!

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Now this ^^^ would be SWEEEEEET!!! Damn, anyway this could happen b4 the 1st batch ships out? (I know...... Wishful thinking probably?)
But this almost makes Me want to hold off until this whole Process is ready??
We are working on it! It may happen sooner than later. If anything we may be able to do it via email. So... Very likley... Just cant promise any thing (yet)
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Do you have an actual store where i can check it before buying it? thnx
Not a store but you are more than welcome at our shop! We have a 100inch screen with netflix, magpul videos and a PS3!


Atm I am nt there ad much as I am running around doin things to get polymer80 going. But when we are in production someone will always be there.
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Can you shed some light, on the FCP how do you get flat sides with a round bit that has no lateral movement?
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Can you shed some light, on the FCP how do you get flat sides with a round bit that has no lateral movement?
I asked this earlier. The bulk of the material is drilled out first. Afterwards, the remaining material will have to be filed or chipped out.

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We are actually getting a laser etching printer fairly soon... the major hurdle is getting the webiste functionality for it.

Soon ( not sure when) you will be able to add a lower to the cart, select the Cerakote pattern you want, or single color, and then upload your own images and text for placement on the lower before it ships. This avoids TONS of headaches trying to find a vendor who will handle the 80%ers. Now, it will all be handled by the manufacturer.. Problem Solved!
Well that would be awesome for a permanent solution, but my idea was for a temp solution utilizing labels. One could play around with different colors, fonts, graphics, and placement before making a final decision.

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Not a store but you are more than welcome at our shop!
when we are in production someone will always be there.
Cool.. Only 40 miles from my house. I can stop by there when its already available. I want to get some and try it.
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Are we not allowed to ask question regarding price points and things of that nature.

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Maka, I think you are missing the point. Are we not allowed to ask question regarding price points and things of that nature.
no im not, you could always pm the op and go from there instead of trying to attack his price point. he is the first to come out with product. if its that cheap how come you didnt make it?

if the customer is important how come you arent helping your past customer in your thread?

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Are we not allowed to ask question regarding price points and things of that nature.
Customers are, you are not a customer you are a competing Vendor and what you are doing is trying to damage another Vendor's ability to sell.

I removed your postings in another 80% vendor's thread yesterday for doing the same thing.

If you have a question for another Vendor about pricing, material, sources or anything of that nature ask it via PM.
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Customers are, you are not a customer you are a competing Vendor and what you are doing is trying to damage another Vendor's ability to sell.

I removed your postings in another 80% vendor's thread yesterday for doing the same thing.

If you have a question for another Vendor about pricing, material, sources or anything of that nature ask it via PM.
Huh... He did PM me about pricing a few days ago and I gave him both retail and wholesale pricing. Any vendor or retailer is welcome to sell our lowers. We have just finalized our distributor program. Please... if you are a vendor or retailer and even if you make your own 80% products I would love to partner with you.

We feel we have a pretty innovative product and system that is drastically different from anything else and if you would like to offer this to your customers, please, by all means, let me know!

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Customers are, you are not a customer you are a competing Vendor and what you are doing is trying to damage another Vendor's ability to sell.

I removed your postings in another 80% vendor's thread yesterday for doing the same thing.

If you have a question for another Vendor about pricing, material, sources or anything of that nature ask it via PM.
I was going to respond to DiyWeapons' unfortunate post that you removed. I agree with your decision, as I perceived it as an effort to persuade potential customers away from the OP's product. Being an employee of a small manufacturer myself, I was going to say to any reseller/vendor/retailer of competing products to first become a manufacturer yourself before sticking foot in mouth.
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I was going to respond to DiyWeapons' unfortunate post that you removed. I agree with your decision, as I perceived it as an effort to persuade potential customers away from the OP's product. Being an employee of a small manufacturer myself, I was going to say to any reseller/vendor/retailer of competing products to first become a manufacturer yourself before sticking foot in mouth.
I do appreciate the level of respect that I am getting on this thread/site. From where I stand, I know what I have done to get this idea to this point (myselft and my partner, Dave). We have been working on this idea for nearly six months before even mentioning it here. We know we have come up with a quality product and we continue to work tirelessly to ensure that our standard of excellence is seen all the way through.

The way I see it.. when this product launches and people get this in their hands and watch all of our videos that will produce on how to finish it out, showing off all of its durability ect., I absolutely believe we will change the 80% market and it will EXPLODE.

People (and competitors) will say what they say... I intend to let my product do the talking. Of course I owe any of you I am asking to put money towards this an explanation as to WHY I know this... but "haters" (cant believe I used that term) will be silenced by the truth. So in the spirit of that, lets move on and keep these posts about questions, comments and concerns about ANYTHING you want to know about us or our product.

Again I am humbled by all of you rushing to my defense... So as I keep saying on this thread: THANKS!
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I do appreciate the level of respect that I am getting on this thread/site. From where I stand, I know what I have done to get this idea to this point (myselft and my partner, Dave). We have been working on this idea for nearly six months before even mentioning it here. We know we have come up with a quality product and we continue to work tirelessly to ensure that our standard of excellence is seen all the way through.

The way I see it.. when this product launches and people get this in their hands and watch all of our videos that will produce on how to finish it out, showing off all of its durability ect., I absolutely believe we will change the 80% market and it will EXPLODE.

People (and competitors) will say what they say... I intend to let my product do the talking. Of course I owe any of you I am asking to put money towards this an explanation as to WHY I know this... but "haters" (cant believe I used that term) will be silenced by the truth. So in the spirit of that, lets move on and keep these posts about questions, comments and concerns about ANYTHING you want to know about us or our product.

Again I am humbled by all of you rushing to my defense... So as I keep saying on this thread: THANKS!
Oh man, if my google foo was any good, this is the point where I would be replying with some pics of Son of Guns...

Game Changer? Open up a whole new market?


By the way, once I see some live prototypes, I am most definitely in.
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Oh man, if my google foo was any good, this is the point where I would be replying with some pics of Son of Guns...

Game Changer? Open up a whole new market?


By the way, once I see some live prototypes, I am most definitely in.
NOOOOO!! Dont put me in that box!

lol I did not use the term "Game Changer" for that reason LOL!

Unlike ANYTHING on Sons of Guns... I actually designed this and I am not bolting a bunch of random guns together and calling "New". lol.
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NOOOOO!! Dont put me in that box!

lol I did not use the term "Game Changer" for that reason LOL!

Unlike ANYTHING on Sons of Guns... I actually designed this and I am not bolting a bunch of random guns together and calling "New". lol.
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Old 05-15-2013, 3:57 PM
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LOL
Sweet,don't try this at home
LOL
get them tested so I can buy
Dude, I am pulling my hair out trying get my production models here ASAP! I know everyone is anxious, very anxious but, believe me... not NEARLY as much as I am.

I am EXCITED!
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Dude, I am pulling my hair out trying get my production models here ASAP! I know everyone is anxious, very anxious but, believe me... not NEARLY as much as I am.

I am EXCITED!
no rush
I have 5 or 6 + 2 100% poly ones from ATI
had these 80s for 2 years, machined out a few,built 1st on drill press
need to setup my mill to do a good job on them,funny how long it takes to do things when you are busy !
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