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Old 05-02-2013, 11:00 AM
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This is exciting stuff!

BTW, you should be able to get a "provisional patent" for around $100 that is much, much easier to file than a normal patent. It would allow you to talk about some of the more patentable parts of your invention publicly in the time until it takes the USPTO to respond to your normal patent filing. It doesn't replace the patent filing -- just allows you to claim dibs on an idea before a full patent application has been submitted. Of course, talk to a patent attorney before doing any of this.

One big thing I haven't seen anyone else mention: logos or other "made by" text. I noticed your first image gallery had your company's logo on it. That is a no-go for me, personally. Logos seem like a distracting, weird feature. When I see someone's AR-15 that has 5 different company names all over it, I wince.

If anyone cared who made the 80%er, they'd ask the owner and that face-to-face verbal recommendation would be stronger brand communication than any visual cue.
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Old 05-02-2013, 11:29 AM
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what about the jig? can I get a jig at the same time.
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what about the jig? can I get a jig at the same time.
This was already discussed in the previous thread, the answer is yes.

New design looks better. As an engineer, I agree with why you are including it, but as an old school back to basics type of guy, I wish it wasn't there at all.

I don't see that area having a lot of stress, though. I'm sure you guys have done your research and stress simulations but I've NEVER heard of a lower failing there, whether it be poly or alum.

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This was already discussed in the previous thread, the answer is yes.

New design looks better. As an engineer, I agree with why you are including it, but as an old school back to basics type of guy, I wish it wasn't there at all.

I don't see that area having a lot of stress, though. I'm sure you guys have done your research and stress simulations but I've NEVER heard of a lower failing there, whether it be poly or alum.

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great news, thank you for the reminder, i did not see the previous thread, It's a waiting game now.
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I'm definitely interested in this. I might even arrange a trip down to pick up a bunch for myself and my co-workers. =-)
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Old 05-02-2013, 5:45 PM
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UPDATE:

Ok, so we kinda went back to the drawing board a bit on the Mag Well Design... I think we have come up with a pretty awesome look considering all the input we received here. (thanks)

Regarding the jig; we are meticulously considering everything in regards to legalities and the ATF ect. (We do not want any hiccups there as our goal to be rapidly responsive to customers and always have product readily available) and it has been brought to our attention that, as silly as it sounds, it may not be a good idea to include the jig with the lower

AND there may be some snags regarding how we want to be able to finish the lower so our jig may need to be more comprehensive than originally thought.

That being said, we are exploring all options regarding the jig. We WILL NOT release a lower that does not have a compatible jig... that would be asinine, its just how we will do it and cost that is up in the air right now.

Regarding the lower itself, we have enhanced the design even further.. as eluded to earlier, the bolt catch pin hole will be threaded and the lower will include the pin and set screw for that section. The threads will be made of steel, so the threat of stripping will be minimized.

Likewise, the threads for the pistol grip will be steel for the same reasons. We have a VERY smart engineer working with us and you will see features like this that are not on ANY other polymer lower anywhere.

So just wanted to keep all of you apprised.

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Thanks for being really interactive with the community about its development!
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Can't wait. Sounds like you guys are putting some serious effort into the planning efforts. If you do your business and customer service appropriately, I see great things for this company! Thanks for the updates.
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where would you go to have a polymer 80 finished?
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where would you go to have a polymer 80 finished?
Hopefully you can really do it yourself without a CNC or mill, that is what we are going for. We have more than one awesome design to do that, but really it ALL hinges on the ATF and what they say.

We are trying to do this smart, honoring the spirit of the 2nd Amendment and your absolute right to have and bare arms that are, truly, not infringed. BUT at the same time, we do have to play ball with the powers that be. Our goal is to be rid of the black-mark stigma the 80% market. Make it respectible and professional and a viable piece of the over-all firearms industry.

Imagine just picking up your Polymer80 at any local gun store.

In order to do that right we need to, well, do it right.

In short, compromise is the name of the game.
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Hopefully you can really do it yourself without a CNC or mill, that is what we are going for. We have more than one awesome design to do that, but really it ALL hinges on the ATF and what they say.

We are trying to do this smart, honoring the spirit of the 2nd Amendment and your absolute right to have and bare arms that are, truly, not infringed. BUT at the same time, we do have to play ball with the powers that be. Our goal is to be rid of the black-mark stigma the 80% market. Make it respectible and professional and a viable piece of the over-all firearms industry.

Imagine just picking up your Polymer80 at any local gun store.

In order to do that right we need to, well, do it right.

In short, compromise is the name of the game.
Nah, you'll be fine. Those ATF guys are a bunch of jokers :P sounds good to me, thanks for everything.

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Phantomfinisher, you definitely won't be able to please everyone, but you are on the right track by asking for input. I like what you have done and thought out so far.

That being said... I like this design better than the last, but there is just something goofy with all the little spikes and the last one being a different angle than the rest. This design is cool because you now have an engraving area, but, for me, "it needs more work".
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Old 05-02-2013, 9:47 PM
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Phantomfinisher, you definitely won't be able to please everyone, but you are on the right track by asking for input. I like what you have done and thought out so far.

That being said... I like this design better than the last, but there is just something goofy with all the little spikes and the last one being a different angle than the rest. This design is cool because you now have an engraving area, but, for me, "it needs more work".
Actually I totally agree... we have a new design that is really really nice. Will post as soon as its done.
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Old 05-03-2013, 4:12 PM
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UPDATE:

FINAL DESIGN... Ok folks here is our final design as we are needing to get to production ASAP. But I think you will love what we have done.

Drum roll please....

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Likey Is it going to come in blue (or any other color)? Or is that just the color for the graphic?
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Win!

I gotta say, I think they look cool and I'm definitely interested in getting one. Kinda reminds me of the new carbon fiber setup windham weaponry is selling but better because its 80%.
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Old 05-03-2013, 4:25 PM
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Likey Is it going to come in blue (or any other color)? Or is that just the color for the graphic?
Technically you can get it in a variety of colors but black will be the color to start. The blue is just for the graphic.
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Looks good! I would definitely be interested in one.
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Why is there a blind hole at the top of the magwell on both external surfaces?
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Looks nice.

Just quick note the jig you should be ok some of the 80% sold by larger outfits are being supplied with the jig. A good example was the h20 80% at PSA.
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Looks real nice. I'm definitely interested in one.

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Why is there a blind hole at the top of the magwell on both external surfaces?
That hole is on milspec versions... it is an air-escape so things don't get stuck in that cylinder.
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That hole is on milspec versions... it is an air-escape so things don't get stuck in that cylinder.
How many versions are in the works?
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How many versions are in the works?
Just the one.... what I meant by that is that hole is in basically all AR15s.
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The final design looks great. You have my interest
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phantomfinisher, can you explain how the dremeling works? Were you referring to a dremel press for use with your jigs?

By the way, I'm pretty sure dremeling that much plastic would turn the dremel into a snowmaker ejecting fine plastic powder everywhere, including into your face. Since that plastic powder won't degrade, doing it in your backyard would also probably be a bad idea. Maybe there's a solution to that?
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phantomfinisher, can you explain how the dremeling works? Were you referring to a dremel press for use with your jigs?

By the way, I'm pretty sure dremeling that much plastic would turn the dremel into a snowmaker ejecting fine plastic powder everywhere, including into your face. Since that plastic powder won't degrade, doing it in your backyard would also probably be a bad idea. Maybe there's a solution to that?
Just tape the hose to a shop vac on the platform the 80% is mounted to.

I'm just saying...
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Just tape the hose to a shop vac on the platform the 80% is mounted to.

I'm just saying...
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when can I order one/some ?
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i have a crazy idea is there any way to beef up the rear takedown pin by say redesigning the rear to take a front take down pin it should allow the walls to have a little more thickness
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I have a question: in the pictures everything is straight angles. Is this a limitation of the CAD software or is this how it's going to look?

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No, that is the look, straight, aggressive angles.

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i have a crazy idea is there any way to beef up the rear takedown pin by say redesigning the rear to take a front take down pin it should allow the walls to have a little more thickness
If you look at the pic of our design we have significantly beefed up the rear takedown hole area not to mention that the polymer we are using really does not need it. Plus we want you to be able to use a standard lower parts kit with this as well. If we were using cheaper material or even for a printed AR, that would be a really novel solution.
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