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I searched, but couldn't find any related threads on this.

In keeping with the combat/LE axiom, "two is one, one is none," do any of you (civilians) that REGULARLY carry concealed actually carry two guns on you?

For myself, I've considered it a few times for EDC, but have come to the conclusion that the only time I would carry a backup is if SHTF.

Just curious how many actually do and if so, where you carry your second.
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Nope; one knife and one pistol is my EDC... but when I travel, I always pack at least a second pistol, and depending on the nature of the trip, there may be additional pistols and long guns.
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With 5 guns on my permit, for kicks and giggles I'll have to carry several pistols some time. G30, G23 & G19, and perhaps a revolver or two in my pockets... LOL


Many, many moons ago, I showed up at my Pastor's house with two G21s on my belt, had lunch and then we drove to church (with the G21s still on my hip) to meet a bunch of other congregants and then we went out shooting. They were unloaded, but technically not legal to transport in that manner, but given when this took place, the remoteness of where we live, and who all were a part of this group; Pastors, the whole church board, and the majority of the men from our congregation, including one LEO, I was not particularly concerned.
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This made the internet rounds awhile back. Worth a chuckle.

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With 5 guns on my permit, for kicks and giggles I'll have to carry several pistols some time. G30, G23 & G19, and perhaps a revolver or two in my pockets... LOL


Many, many moons ago, I showed up at my Pastor's house with two G21s on my belt, had lunch and then we drove to church (with the G21s still on my hip) to meet a bunch of other congregants and then we went out shooting. They were unloaded, but technically not legal to transport in that manner, but given when this took place, the remoteness of where we live, and who all were a part of this group; Pastors, the whole church board, and the majority of the men from our congregation, including one LEO, I was not particularly concerned.
We are pretty much just like everyone else, love the outdoors fishing & hunting, and shooting. I love spending time with the congregation doing things we all love to do. I recenlty went to Front Sight with a fellow pastor and a couple guys from our security team - we had a blast and are going back in May.

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HAHAHAHA!! my first time reading this! Wish my grandmother rolled like that!
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I have 2 guns on me about 80% of the time. Sometimes all 3.
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Virtually never. Its happened a couple times at the range where I have my CCW and happen to have another on my hip. Why bring a pistol, or even a pair of pistollas if expecting trouble ? ... bring a rifle/ shotgun and overcome utilizing superior firepower.

I am not law enforcement, I don't have to go bad places if I don't want to. Using my LTC is a last ditch because all other efforts have failed to get out of that situation. Yeah, I know there could be some oddball scenario where having a BUG might be good (crazies shooting up theater etc.), failure of primary weapon but probability is up there with winning the powerball. Some folks feel differently and wear suspenders and a belt. Truly, like I was saying above if personally have to deal with a bad scene, carrying covert is not likely to be a concern and unlike Uncle Joe, I think an AR or AK may indeed have its place for self-defence.

I suppose my view is bias because I am older, a little lazy and have a hard enough time keeping track of one weapon at all times.
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Iv only had my permit for a month and carry my g26, hk blitz, surefire l4, wallet, keys, and a swiss army knife on my keys with 1 spare standard cap 15 round glock 19 magazine on my other hip. I don't think I can fit another gun anywhere else. And if I could my pants might fall off lol

The other day I did have my 229 in my center console and my g26 in a holster in between my seat and center console but that still doesn't count as two guns "on me".

One day I will wear all three guns on my permit for the hell of it
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Depends on your county. San Bernardino states that you may only conceal one weapon on your person. If you have another CCW it must be locked up just like a normal (non) CCW gun.
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I only carry one locally with a knife. I do have oc spray in my car. when I travel out of town, I always have a second weapon within reach from the sitting position.
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We are pretty much just like everyone else, love the outdoors fishing & hunting, and shooting. I love spending time with the congregation doing things we all love to do. I recenlty went to Front Sight with a fellow pastor and a couple guys from our security team - we had a blast and are going back in May.

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I don't think carrying more than one handgun for civilian concealed carry makes a whole lot of sense. The kind of fights that involve CCW holders are almost always very short: 4 rounds or less in under 5 seconds. If your primary weapon fails you simply won't have time to reach for a back-up. In many ways the gun we carry is our back-up for SHTF situations. Our primary weapon is awareness and the ability to go somewhere else if things look bad.

The answer isn't the same for a policeman or other professional. As an example, one situation where carrying two guns might make sense is if you face a complex risk scenario where a high-capacity pistol may be needed but you also may face a typical belly-to-belly fight where a snubby is the best weapon. Because they open carry, policemen also face the risk of being disarmed of their duty weapon and of extended gunfights where a "New York reload" is a good option. For a policeman, having a "backup" in a coat pocket is also a way of having a gun in hand without looking as threatening.
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Ill usually have on on my hip and one loaded in a lock box in the armrest of my pickup
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As soon as my permit modification appointment is through and I have my new pocket gun on my permit I will be carrying two.
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I don't think carrying more than one handgun for civilian concealed carry makes a whole lot of sense. The kind of fights that involve CCW holders are almost always very short: 4 rounds or less in under 5 seconds. If your primary weapon fails you simply won't have time to reach for a back-up. In many ways the gun we carry is our back-up for SHTF situations. Our primary weapon is awareness and the ability to go somewhere else if things look bad.
re: bold text. I'm curious - what information leads you that conclusion?
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I carry one pistol and one extra magazine, with extra mags in the truck.
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IIRC in some states LTC/CCW statutes restrict individuals to the carry of one handgun concealed.
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re: bold text. I'm curious - what information leads you that conclusion?
An FBI study released some years ago concluded that the vast majority of gunfights take place inside of 6 yards with less then 6 shots fired.

Fortunately, the kind of shootouts Hollywood likes to display are extremely rare. Most criminals pick out people because they think they have the upper hand, not because they want to re-enact Smokin' Aces. Once their intended victim-that would be us- pulls a gun, the risk vs reward calculus goes the other direction and the bad guy's on his way to the next zip code.

In the rare event shots do get fired, either the other party is incapacitated/ dead or the bad guy's hauling tail outta there. One way or the other, the situation is addressed inside of 30 seconds.

In the event of a spree shooter/terrorist incident , an individual citizen should dial the authorities and bail unless they're in a chance position to end the matter. Even then a expeditious end to hostilities is necessary, before the bad guy can bring their firepower to bear.
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An FBI study released some years ago concluded that the vast majority of gunfights take place inside of 6 yards with less then 6 shots fired.
to the above statement...I've "heard this on the internet" many times but have yet to have a dated source on this...I'd love to know when this study was done and if it was LEO only or civilian only or both studied...not that I'm saying its wrong, I've never seen *exactly* where it's from though...

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In the event of a spree shooter/terrorist incident , an individual citizen should dial the authorities and bail unless they're in a chance position to end the matter. Even then a expeditious end to hostilities is necessary, before the bad guy can bring their firepower to bear.
I totally agree with the above statement, BUT the fact that we legally carry a gun is so we can defend ourselves and others from grievous or deadly force, so carrying two guns MAY be a solution for some. To ME that means high speed low drag off duty LEOs and certain businesses/professions (pawnshops, high end jewelry stores, certain security guard/personal protection specialists, private investigators, etc.)...as a LTC civilian I think that most of us could use common sense to avoid most (not all) bad situations...

I myself have only tried it once or twice (once with one in a 5.11 holster shirt + 1 on the belt, another time with Off body carry +1 on the belt), both times I was going to places I was unsure/sure of how safe they were, and found that I'd rather carry spare ammo rather than a spare gun. Toting TWO guns and TWO sets of spare ammo was pretty ridiculous...

However, with that said I hope I NEVER am in a situation where I think "geez, I wish I had my second handgun, this one appears to have broken" or "nuke em from orbit, it's the only way to be sure"
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An FBI study released some years ago concluded that the vast majority of gunfights take place inside of 6 yards with less then 6 shots fired.
The only thing I've seen even close to such a report is this one - http://www.pointshooting.com/1asop9.htm. That one is from 1981, and involved NYPD only.

Police have much different requirements for their jobs than non-police concealed carriers do for their purposes.

I wanted to discover if there were decent statistics for non-police.

A couple years ago I went through the NRA 'Armed Citizen' archive and read every darned one of the reports. Since those are almost exclusively based on newspaper reports, they seldom had good information on distances or shots fired. I couldn't get better than 'an impression' on those two points from the whole anecdote set.
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On an average day I will only have one on me. However, when traveling out of town or to a known bad area near my home or when out late at night I will have a second gun on me. My regular carry is a G27 in an Uncle Mike's and I am generally content with 10 rounds for self defense. In the touchy situations I will have an extra 9 rounder on me. The BUG is a LCR in either an ankle holster or pocket holster with an extra speed loader. I have carried all 3 a few times, usually when driving long distances through rural areas.
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I keep my little pocket .380 in my pocket at all times, and carry my emp on my hip 90% of the time. Every now and then I will have the 2 on me and one in the center console of my truck, for when I am traveling into less than friendly places.
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I don't think carrying more than one handgun for civilian concealed carry makes a whole lot of sense. The kind of fights that involve CCW holders are almost always very short: 4 rounds or less in under 5 seconds. .
How can you be sure? Would it be crazy to carry one gun, and two extra mags?
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re: bold text. I'm curious - what information leads you that conclusion?
Last night quickly reviewed my list of, now, 62 LTC/CCW incidents linked in my sig line at:
http://www.calguns.net/calgunforum/s...d.php?t=598875

RSM is right. Looks like "high" caps (or reloads) would be wanted/needed in <10% of the incidents, roughly the same % of incidents that did not even require firing a shot.

Of course, there are no guarantees in life. YMMV

ST is correct re how things are after a handful of rounds have been sent downrange to opposition: IIRC, from SOP9 they said by that time either one or both parties are down, or one or both are behind cover.

Most LTCer incidents are very brief. The odds of us ever getting involved in one are very rare and the odds of us requiring >9 rnds are, if my guess is right, 10x as rare as even that. Main thing is to EDC at least SOMETHING that goes "Bang!" In CA, despite decades of being law-abiding and paying taxes, I can't....
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The best/quickest solution to a type three malfunction, is to tradition to a backup gun. But that is not an excuse for not being able to instinctively and quickly clear a type three malfunction.
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