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I was at Iron Sights yesterday to run some rounds through my new AR build with my wife. Another Marine came up to me and said,

"They don't care if you use 30 round mags?"

I told him mine were 10/30's that I made. However, the guy next to me said "Oh, I'm just usin' straight up 30 rounders. Is that a California thing or somethin?"



I told him, "Yeeeeeeeeeeeeea, that's a felony...you might not want to use that (in your AR15)".

He finished his rounds and promptly left.

I was completely blown away this guy didn't even care. It's....irresponsible to say the least.

Yea just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention.

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...one could come off with the impression that ANY 30rd mag. (or Heavens-to-Betsy a 100rd drum) is not legal in CA. This is simply NOT true as of 04/30/13. I hope Germanelo logs in and edits the OP so as not to unintentionally mislead individuals reading this thread.

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Happens all the time. The laws are so confusing people dont even bother to research.
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If he's military, I suppose the cops might have some leniency on him for having to move to a new station and not be able to keep up with the laws. HOWEVER, we all know that ignorance of the law is no excuse.


"Luckily", California has some rather restrictive gun laws; so, I'm usually pretty certain that I'm good to go when I go to another state. That said, I always make it a point to look up the state or local laws, especially regarding transportation of a firearm, prior to making the trip. Sometimes, I even print out the material and keep it in the car. That way, if I made a mistake in my interpretation, I can show the officers what I had read and hopefully they'll see I had made an honest effort to comply.



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Maybe he had military paperwork allowing his rifle into the state? Was he using a bullet button or regular button? Amazes me how many people jump to conclusions.
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If he didn't respond by saying he has a military Assault Weapons Permit than he probably doesn't know. If I was going to stay in CA longer, I would apply for one. I'm sure I'd get plenty of "Hey you know" comments. I'd laugh.
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Maybe he had military paperwork allowing his rifle into the state? Was he using a bullet button or regular button? Amazes me how many people jump to conclusions.
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I recently Purchased an ar on gunbroker and the dealer I transfered it to told me it was fine to use 30 rounders in it, I just said okay and left, right or wrong I would not do that within the boundries of this state because of what
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Maybe he had military paperwork allowing his rifle into the state? Was he using a bullet button or regular button? Amazes me how many people jump to conclusions.
This.

Or maybe he possessed them prior to 1999.
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That is a new one on me, but the code is long and confusing.
I would generally agree with you. I'd agree with you so much that I was shocked when I found out that I and the vast majority of Marines I know are ignorant of this huge exception

I was watching a three-gun video of a dude rocking 30 rounders dropping magazines like it's going out of style out at Piru, and I hit him up. Same deal...military AWP. I would get mine, but I'm moving to Okinawa for a year. You want to talk about not having gun rights in CA---how about NO personal firearms PERIOD.
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How did you know he was a Marine?
I hope that's sarcasm. How about his stupid haircut.
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I was at Iron Sights yesterday to run some rounds through my new AR build with my wife. Another Marine came up to me and said,

"They don't care if you use 30 round mags?"

I told him mine were 10/30's that I made. However, the guy next to me said "Oh, I'm just usin' straight up 30 rounders. Is that a California thing or somethin?"



I told him, "Yeeeeeeeeeeeeea, that's a felony...you might not want to use that (in your AR15)".

He finished his rounds and promptly left.

I was completely blown away this guy didn't even care. It's....irresponsible to say the least.

Yea just wanted to bring this to everyone's attention.

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Maybe I'm missing something. I use 30 round magazines in my AR-15, how is that illegal? I bought them in 1995.

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I know several people that are not marines that have marine style haircuts.
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Maybe I'm missing something. I use 30 round magazines in my AR-15, how is that illegal? I bought them in 1995.
In your case, its not illegal if you bought/possessed them in CA prior to 2000. Unless there is a post 2000 date stamp on your mags, you are GTG.

As per the link provided by the OP;

"...The age of the magazine and the age of the gun mean nothing. The critical item is possession of the magazine(s) in California before January 1, 2000..."
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In your case, its not illegal if you bought/possessed them in CA prior to 2000. Unless there is a post 2000 date stamp on your mags, you are GTG.

As per the link provided by the OP;

"...The age of the magazine and the age of the gun mean nothing. The critical item is possession of the magazine(s) in California before January 1, 2000..."
Yep, I read the link. I missed the part where the guy said that he did not buy them prior to January 1, 2000 in California.
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Happens all the time. The laws are so confusing people dont even bother to research.
This is true. I worked at 2 different ranges and alot of people breaking the law did it cause they just don't know the laws.

If you own a gun know the laws.

For the record I never hassled people about the law but instead had alot of people ask me the laws pertaining to the weapon system they were shooting.
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For what its worth, I have some concern with the OP by Germanelo.

If you see the thread title (most inflammatory IMO) and read the post w/o clicking the link, one could come off with the impression that ANY 30rd mag. (or Heavens-to-Betsy a 100rd drum) is not legal in CA. This is simply NOT true as of 04/30/13. I hope Germanelo logs in and edits the OP so as not to unintentionally mislead individuals reading this thread.
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Unfortunately that's far to common here in California with such complex and seemingly random laws people are going around every day breaking the law and they don't even realize it. We were just discussing this very thing at our Range Meet on Monday. I mean we need a flow chart to with a 4pt font in order to know if our rifles are legal. Many casual gun owners don't even have a clue.
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I've seen it several times at iorn sights and since I'm active duty I obviously possess a few 30rd mags. However I take my 10rd mags to the range for now. I have heard that there is some sort of exemption for military mags but not really interested in finding out the hard way. I'll save the 30's for when I need em or can use them in a free state.
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Can't use those 30 rounders on AR-15 with a bullet button regardless of when the mags were purchased/owned. Once put on the bullet button featured rifle, they are no longer "detachable" and you now have an AW. Go featureless or have your permit ready to show.
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Happens all the time. The laws are so confusing people dont even bother to research.
Exactly why many will not follow them laws because they are stupid laws made by stupid politicians.
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AGAIN---you can get a Active Duty Assault Weapon Permit; however, there is no sweeping exception that applies to AD Mil---YOU MUST APPLY, BE GRANTED, and CARRY YOUR AWP.
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Can't use those 30 rounders on AR-15 with a bullet button regardless of when the mags were purchased/owned.
I'm not sure many people realize this...
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I'm not sure many people realize this...
You can if you have an AWP.
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You can if you have an AWP.
Do you need a Bullet Button with an AWP?
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In your case, its not illegal if you bought/possessed them in CA prior to 2000. Unless there is a post 2000 date stamp on your mags, you are GTG.

As per the link provided by the OP;

"...The age of the magazine and the age of the gun mean nothing. The critical item is possession of the magazine(s) in California before January 1, 2000..."
Oh the FUD is making me crazy! No >10 round mags in bullet button equipped guns, doesn't matter when you got the mag. And, a mag could have been build yesterday, broken into a parts kit, sent into CA legally, and used to rebuild a pre-2000 legally owned regular capacity mag... But, you still can't use it in a bullet button equipped gun (I don't know if the military AWP would allow that but even police with bullet button guns can't use >10 round mags in them). Please read the freaking law before spreading stupidity far and wide.
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Do you need a Bullet Button with an AWP?
No, if you have an AWP, you have a fully functional AR15 that you could have in say Arizona. Hence the words "Assault Weapons Permit". This is why you will see guys like Jamie Franks (was on Top Shot) running around Piru, CA during 3-gun competitions shooting 30 round magazines and doing reloads.

Assault Weapons Permit for Active Duty Military is probably one of the best kept secrets. I don't understand why either...because so many people could be taking advantage of it.
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I just assume at all times, all magazines I see people use in Ca. are completely legal 10 rounders.
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STOP SAYING MILITARY EXEMPTION. I hate seeing that phrase. Exemption implies that simply being an AD military member in the state of CA automatically EXEMPTS you from the law. That's not the case. Yes, you can own 30 round magazines just like anyone else in the state---they were issued to you and are government property. No, you cannot use them in your personal AR at the range in CA UNLESS YOU HAVE AN ASSAULT WEAPONS PERMIT---Google is your friend.
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I just assume at all times, all magazines I see people use in Ca. are completely legal 10 rounders.
I am legitimately curious to see a confrontation between law enforcement and an Active Duty member in regards to the use of their 30 round magazines though.

Honestly, think of how that's going to play out in the media---Oceanside Police Department arrest Lance Corporal ****kicker for possession of an assault weapon.

I just don't see it...the most I see is that young devil dog getting educated in the law.

I mean we're talking about serious consequences here.

Personally, I think it's stupid we even have to have an AWP. It should be an exemption. Then again it SHOULD be a state that follows the constitution---but we can talk about shoulds all day long.

Furthermore, on the military side of the house...I don't think I've EVER heard a brief in regards to firearms laws...at all...ever.
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there is no military exemption!
also, even if you had owned a 30 round magazine prior to 1999 you can not put that magazine into a weapon with a bullet button. the weapon is legal. the magazines are legal. together is a felony. but if you legally acquired a 30 round magazine you can you it in any weapon without a bullet button
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its like the law for texting while driving.

more people do it post law

more accidents happen post law

and the state loses $$ by enforcing the law wasting our tax dollars
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I am legitimately curious to see a confrontation between law enforcement and an Active Duty member in regards to the use of their 30 round magazines though.

Honestly, think of how that's going to play out in the media---Oceanside Police Department arrest Lance Corporal ****kicker for possession of an assault weapon.

I just don't see it...the most I see is that young devil dog getting educated in the law.

I mean we're talking about serious consequences here.

Personally, I think it's stupid we even have to have an AWP. It should be an exemption. Then again it SHOULD be a state that follows the constitution---but we can talk about shoulds all day long.
doesnt matter you are in possession of 30 round magazines.
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there is no military exemption!
also, even if you had owned a 30 round magazine prior to 1999 you can not put that magazine into a weapon with a bullet button. the weapon is legal. the magazines are legal. together is a felony. but if you legally acquired a 30 round magazine you can you it in any weapon without a bullet button
No exemption! However, Active Duty Military can get an Assault Weapons Permit if they have the due dilligence to see it through.
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doesnt matter you are in possession of 30 round magazines.
Are you trying to say I can be charged for being in possession of 30 round magazines that were issued to me by the United States Marine Corps?
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yes if the cop is a dick? yes he can but he wont stop there he will tack on a whole bunch of things. like if you had it in your car. swerving, concealing contraband. which as soon as he finds your 30 rders he now has reasonable doubt to search your home. happened to a friend of mine. army type. hes working on getting everything dropped. the cop didnt show for the first court or something so hes got a light at the end of the tunnel
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yes if the cop is a dick? yes he can but he wont stop there he will tack on a whole bunch of things. like if you had it in your car. swerving, concealing contraband. which as soon as he finds your 30 rders he now has reasonable doubt to search your home. happened to a friend of mine. army type. hes working on getting everything dropped. the cop didnt show for the first court or something so hes got a light at the end of the tunnel
My choice of words was poor. I'm sure you can be CHARGED with anything. I can say with a high degree of confidence he will not be convicted unless you're leaving out details.

I can't imagine a situation in which I would find myself in that position, but I'll tell you what---the media would be involved. I hate to sound entitlted, but **** that.
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